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Re: VFM53 | Day 3

Postby Phone0Ix » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:04 am

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Phone0Ix wrote:Rick was my mentor

We were tracking mamaniejebanana the night we died :/

Wish I caught your softs and decided to heal you but me and era agreed to play it safe and just heal a townread instead

I only softed once (as far as I know) and that was by accident, so it weren't rlly softs more like a slip

Also me and Rick townread htg so much because we thought they were the doctor
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby S0me0ne23 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:20 am

Just since this is a mentor game and for the sake of learning I'd like to say why banana never should have been townread in the first place.
When it comes to new players playing town/scum, they're playstyle will be very predictable even without meta.
It essentially fits into two categories:
1. Town, in which the new player makes bad reads confidently and sounds unreasonable, but is opinionated nonetheless.
2. Mafia, in which the new player tries to sound reasonable, and often makes weaker statements like "idk this could be scum, but maybe they could be town as well..."
This is what the term noob town/noob scum *actually* means.

If you actually read banana's posts, almost all of them fell into the second category. There was really no reason anyone should have been townreading banana.
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby S0me0ne23 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:22 am

My mentee listening to pretty much none of my advice was also pretty cool.
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby dota2reporter » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:24 am

S0me0ne23 wrote:Just since this is a mentor game and for the sake of learning I'd like to say why banana never should have been townread in the first place.
When it comes to new players playing town/scum, they're playstyle will be very predictable even without meta.
It essentially fits into two categories:
1. Town, in which the new player makes bad reads confidently and sounds unreasonable, but is opinionated nonetheless.
2. Mafia, in which the new player tries to sound reasonable, and often makes weaker statements like "idk this could be scum, but maybe they could be town as well..."
This is what the term noob town/noob scum *actually* means.

If you actually read banana's posts, almost all of them fell into the second category. There was really no reason anyone should have been townreading banana.

that makes tons of sense actually, thx for pointing it out!
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby ChamAlien » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:32 pm

UzayAltay wrote:Will share chat whenI become sure We didnt write anything wrong .

I didnt reread it but you can share i think
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby ejjinami » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:50 pm

S0me0ne23 wrote:Just since this is a mentor game and for the sake of learning I'd like to say why banana never should have been townread in the first place.
When it comes to new players playing town/scum, they're playstyle will be very predictable even without meta.
It essentially fits into two categories:
1. Town, in which the new player makes bad reads confidently and sounds unreasonable, but is opinionated nonetheless.
2. Mafia, in which the new player tries to sound reasonable, and often makes weaker statements like "idk this could be scum, but maybe they could be town as well..."
This is what the term noob town/noob scum *actually* means.

If you actually read banana's posts, almost all of them fell into the second category. There was really no reason anyone should have been townreading banana.

Pfffffft, so true
It was so hard to work around it, especially at the beginning
and it seems we didn't manage to get rid of it completely
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby S0me0ne23 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:09 pm

ejjinami wrote:
S0me0ne23 wrote:Just since this is a mentor game and for the sake of learning I'd like to say why banana never should have been townread in the first place.
When it comes to new players playing town/scum, they're playstyle will be very predictable even without meta.
It essentially fits into two categories:
1. Town, in which the new player makes bad reads confidently and sounds unreasonable, but is opinionated nonetheless.
2. Mafia, in which the new player tries to sound reasonable, and often makes weaker statements like "idk this could be scum, but maybe they could be town as well..."
This is what the term noob town/noob scum *actually* means.

If you actually read banana's posts, almost all of them fell into the second category. There was really no reason anyone should have been townreading banana.

Pfffffft, so true
It was so hard to work around it, especially at the beginning
and it seems we didn't manage to get rid of it completely

Banana's play was good, especially for a beginner, it's just kind of matter-of-fact that a first wolf game will be like that.
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby Rickdaily12 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:48 pm

S0me0ne23 wrote:Just since this is a mentor game and for the sake of learning I'd like to say why banana never should have been townread in the first place.
When it comes to new players playing town/scum, they're playstyle will be very predictable even without meta.
It essentially fits into two categories:
1. Town, in which the new player makes bad reads confidently and sounds unreasonable, but is opinionated nonetheless.
2. Mafia, in which the new player tries to sound reasonable, and often makes weaker statements like "idk this could be scum, but maybe they could be town as well..."
This is what the term noob town/noob scum *actually* means.

If you actually read banana's posts, almost all of them fell into the second category. There was really no reason anyone should have been townreading banana.

Well, hindsight being 20/20, I was always PoEing Mama into my Mafia bracket, and I was constantly asking Phone to challenge the town read on my behalf, but he was reluctant due to the strength of his TR.

In our defense, if we weren't attacked, we would have caught him.

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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby TheDebil » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:52 pm

we didnt notice the slip
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby Rickdaily12 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:53 pm

TheDebil wrote:we didnt notice the slip

Why attack us, then? Phone is pretty obvious Town to me when I play, but everyone else loves mislynching him. You didn't think you would manage that this game?
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby dota2reporter » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:54 pm

rick, can you send mentor chat?
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby Rickdaily12 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:55 pm

dota2reporter wrote:rick, can you send mentor chat?

Sure, I told Chemist I was ok with it

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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby TheDebil » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:58 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:
TheDebil wrote:we didnt notice the slip

Why attack us, then? Phone is pretty obvious Town to me when I play, but everyone else loves mislynching him. You didn't think you would manage that this game?

phone may be a mislynch but he had strong competition in retral/google
our main targets for kill were qva/phone,since we thought they both had the highest chances to be pr
we ended up going for phone since he was less obvious of a doctor heal
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby ejjinami » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:33 pm

TheDebil wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:
TheDebil wrote:we didnt notice the slip

Why attack us, then? Phone is pretty obvious Town to me when I play, but everyone else loves mislynching him. You didn't think you would manage that this game?

phone may be a mislynch but he had strong competition in retral/google
our main targets for kill were qva/phone,since we thought they both had the highest chances to be pr
we ended up going for phone since he was less obvious of a doctor heal

Yeah, basically that. I was fine with anyone as long as they were townie and in my PR poe...
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby Flake » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:34 pm

Oh

I didn’t realise doctor didn’t get feedback on heal

That’s awkward

Surprised banana was wolf though I would be much less surprised had I realised doc didn’t get feedback on kill, but debil was very very very obviously wolf in almost every world
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby Flake » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:37 pm

wp wolves, I think game was locked win once you nokilled since I was too inattentive towards this game to see doctor doesn’t get feedback lol

even if I did I’d only have it as 2nd most likely world probably? maybe not actually idk
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby Flake » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:40 pm

I need to get better at reading htg, they feel wolfy in every villager game and villagers in every wolf game

I might just reverse my expectations

Though I had my doubts on htg flipping wolf near the end bc of the thunderdome with dota

I basically locked dota as villager the entire game though lol
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby Chemist1422 » Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:04 pm

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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby TheWabbit » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:42 am

Chemist1422 wrote:modrant tmrw

wow you're actually making one?
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby Google » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:46 am

TheWabbit wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:modrant tmrw

wow you're actually making one?

he has been all this time
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby dota2reporter » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:07 pm

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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby dota2reporter » Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:56 am

Chemist1422 wrote:modrant tmrw

hmmm
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby Chemist1422 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:17 am

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:modrant tmrw

hmmm

well then 54 happened so
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Re: VFM53 | Mafia Win

Postby dota2reporter » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:57 am

right

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