18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby ZoruaLuhansk » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:02 am

bah

Flake deserves the win
the rest of mafia was eh

btw we were basically set to investigate all of the mafia by N4 bc of our PoE pool
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby ZoruaLuhansk » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:07 am

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don't join a 26p game if you want your wim
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:13 am

1. Unsticky your thread
2. Flake you were a lot more toxic than you needed to be that last day.
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby ChamAlien » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:32 am

I can agree that Flake was toxic but mod did nothing about it (so I think it wasn't rulebreaking) and if you had a problem with that, you should have tell that to moderator. Also saying "mafia didn't deserve the win" is not gonna change anything. If you were right but you were dead, you were probably killed for a reason.
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Multiuniverse » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:34 am

dota2reporter wrote:
Helicooler wrote:dota i thought i had failed you
you turned it around and then went and enabled death to be lynched lmao

multi wouldn't have lynched flake anyway so it didn't really matter

I kept saying for the first 24 hours that I wanted Flake dead and everyone else was like "no flake is town"
I should stop second guessing myself smh

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Multiuniverse » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:36 am

MrChuckleteeth wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:flake is a very good and convincing actor


To be honest dota, and I mean this with no offence intended, as I have respect for you as a player, I think you are a little paranoid, indecisive and gullible at times. I think Flake's acting was good, I don't think it was that convincing however (though I suppose I have some confirmation bias since I was spectating).

And I agree mafia did not deserve that win. If all of the remaining townies during the last day took at least some time to analyze Flake's posting pattern, his tone, his word choice, his focus, his apparent goal and his approach, I'm sure you could have seen through the acting. Multi was on the right track with their gut read, because Flake was (at least to me) screaming "I'm scum". And Olly did not make Flake's case any better, given they basically had the same approach to the game, if anything, that should have been the biggest tell that they were the scum. Especially on a hydra game where hydra heads can usually differ in playstyle/

Flake your posts were sloppy and spewed that you only cared about not getting lynched, not about actually finding who the scum was and getting them lynched. I lost respect for you because on top of that, you decided it'd be great to appeal to emotion by basically insulting anyone that disagreed with you or didn't choose to see your PoV.

If Dota/Betto and/or Multi/Goomba could have seen at least THAT much, you could have quickly figured out that Debil and Seth were town (because they were actually trying to gamesolve) and that Flake and Olly were scum.

Here's a hint: Mafia doesn't care about gamesolving because the game is already solved for them (well, except the PRs, which is why mafia PR hunts).

Another hint: Don't focus so much on meta reads. Any player that is aware of their own meta as any alignment makes meta reading, more often than not, a shot in the dark.

But I decided to thunderdome day 1, so take this post with a grain of salt.

Anyways, that's all I have to say about this game. Good night.


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Like on the last day I've pointed out why Flake was bad but I second guessed myself after everyone else disagreed with me

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Multiuniverse » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:38 am

Kmenx wrote:Flake was horrendus the last day and still won like if someone's entire ISO in mylo is "I wouldn't do [x] as scum" 9/10 times they are scum
Multi didn't even notice that Debil didn't vote Jamez D1 despite if he was scum he would know that Jamez was actually TP

debil may not have voted jamez d1 because it couldve incriminated him later

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby dota2reporter » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:38 am

yeah sorry town :/ i feel kinda bad for this loss

it's like

because of the AtE my mind was going "you're gonna feel even worse if death are mafia" so i was like fuck it, lynch them

i missed a lot of details which i should've noted

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Multiuniverse » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:39 am

Kmenx wrote:
Kmenx wrote:Flake was horrendus the last day and still won like if someone's entire ISO in mylo is "I wouldn't do [x] as scum" 9/10 times they are scum
Multi didn't even notice that Debil didn't vote Jamez D1 despite if he was scum he would know that Jamez was actually TP

Town doesn't need to prove why they aren't the scum they need to prove why they are town
Also my death should've confirmed flake as scum since anyone else except flake was scum they would kill flake since he was "confirmed town" for white knighting Jamez

hard disagree
as you can see I was hellbent on lynching flake at the start of day and have basically locked you as town

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Multiuniverse » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:39 am

TheDebil wrote:i was hoping multi would go "scum.wouldnt.push on someone im against pushing, right? scum wouldnt oppose this so much" and lock me or something
this is the same situation like in switch fm when i focused more on not dying and 1upping everyone.else involved

what the fuck is that logic

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby dota2reporter » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:40 am

@Zorua nice avi

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Multiuniverse » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:40 am

OllyRenard wrote:How did I do?

you were non existent

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Multiuniverse » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:41 am

next time im getting an actual partner who would actually play and contribute

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby ChamAlien » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:42 am

How did I do?
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:44 am

dota2reporter wrote:@Zorua nice avi

right that reminds me I need to change mine
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Multiuniverse » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:49 am

ChamAlien wrote:How did I do?


You only survived because somehow Jamez scumslipped as town

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby dota2reporter » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:49 am

ChamAlien wrote:How did I do?

basically like anyone in your situation would

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby ChamAlien » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:51 am

Multiuniverse wrote:
ChamAlien wrote:How did I do?


You only survived because somehow Jamez scumslipped as town

I don't understand why Lukundo was online but didn't explain how they made the mistake...
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Multiuniverse » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:52 am

ChamAlien wrote:
Multiuniverse wrote:
ChamAlien wrote:How did I do?


You only survived because somehow Jamez scumslipped as town

I don't understand why Lukundo was online but didn't explain how they made the mistake...

i dont know
lukundo is like a broken record because after jamez slipped they just said their targets and fucked off to god knows where

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Seththeking » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:18 am

Flake wrote:Anyone saying "Mafia didn't deserve that win" is horrendously misguided and has a lack of consideration for who I left alive in order for my plan to be effective

Do you have any idea how townsided it is for your Mafia teammate to die N1 to the Vet on top of having to worry about 4 other PRs, and then having your only other remaining teammate be a convergent lynch when they are inactive

Yes, I played "badly" in the endgame, I was 100% aware of that, but I was also aware that emotional manipulation was perhaps the best strategy in order to avoid my lynch given the player constituents, of which many I knew would be prone to emotional manipulation. So taking the strategy of being "bad" in this context was effective

Almost everyone not as prone to this emotional manipulation and present enough to do something about it died. Which I was aware of, because I made the kills specifically with that in mind


Yes and when I figured out the no mention of Hydra Chat I angle shot it to you being Mafia.
However, no one pushed it.

You didn’t deserve your win.
The other mafia did.
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Seththeking » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:19 am

Flake wrote:Rant over

Town thoroughly deserved the loss


Only because they don’t listen to my team.
If Over was lynched when Debil Pushed.
Then the game would have been won by town.
If Town actually followed me and Debil.
We would have won.
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby MrChuckleteeth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:25 am

Flake, just because town lost and misplayed near the last one or two days, it doesn’t mean mafia played better. You winning because your play happened to work doesn’t mean it should have worked. The result does not change the validity of the play.

I can understand the argument for leaving those people alive for EoD (Debil/Seth and Dota/Betto), and I will give you credit for realizing your only hope at that point was to psychologically manipulate the town into believing that a world where you get mislynched has a worse outcome than a world where someone else gets mislynched, when in reality it’s a mislynch regardless so neither would be “better” or “worse”.

The fact that you knew you had to make those nightkills in order for your desperate plan (given you admit playing to a regular scum meta would still lose you the game) that appealed to emotion to work, just proves how fucked mafia was and how mafia should not have won.

But I’m done arguing over a game I had basically no control over.
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby MrChuckleteeth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:28 am

Flake wrote:
Kmenx wrote:
Flake wrote:
Kmenx wrote:Town doesn't need to prove why they aren't the scum they need to prove why they are town

Except proving why you aren't the scum is the same as proving why you are town

Shouting I CAN'T BE SCUM RETARDS FUCK YOU over and over isn't the same as basically anything else

How is that relevant here

How is proving you are town any different to proving you are not scum

That makes no sense


Scum wants to avoid getting scumread/pushed, hence they want to prove they are “not scum”.

Town wants to find scum and wants to push scum so they can gamesolve and win, hence they want to prove they are “town”.
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:40 am

TL;DR you're all salty nerds
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:44 am

Vet shouldn't be able to alert N1, maybe?

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