18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

The threads where you play mafia will be posted here.

Moderators: Metrion, FM Game Moderators

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Multiuniverse » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:52 am

ChamAlien wrote:
Multiuniverse wrote:
ChamAlien wrote:How did I do?


You only survived because somehow Jamez scumslipped as town

I don't understand why Lukundo was online but didn't explain how they made the mistake...

i dont know
lukundo is like a broken record because after jamez slipped they just said their targets and fucked off to god knows where

Thanks parker for the gif and SuperDuper for suggesting rotational sig
User avatar
Multiuniverse
[Forum Mafia XVII] Winner
[Forum Mafia XVII] Winner
 
Posts: 496
Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:15 am
Location: Everywhere yet nowhere, nowhere yet everywhere.

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:54 am

Kmenx wrote:
Flake wrote:
Kmenx wrote:Town doesn't need to prove why they aren't the scum they need to prove why they are town

Except proving why you aren't the scum is the same as proving why you are town

Shouting I CAN'T BE SCUM RETARDS FUCK YOU over and over isn't the same as basically anything else

How is that relevant here

How is proving you are town any different to proving you are not scum

That makes no sense
User avatar
Flake
Benefactor
Benefactor
 
Posts: 976
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:34 am
Location: England, UK

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:16 am

Eragon1329 wrote:Also I was completely unspoiled so this is unbiased


Basically what I’m saying is, flake you were obvscum, but played well enough to distract the remaining town players from lynching you

This is essentially the correct take

Mafia was put in a horrible situation from D2 onward so I knew I needed to adopt a strategy which ensures our longevity, thus the strategy to psychologically manipulate others into not voting me

My mistake was to town read 0ver early on; it was difficult to anticipate that the lynch would converge to him so soon, but because of that the ties between me and him snowballed as the game progressed, thus I came up with the plan of a fake scum slip; had I not done that we almost certainly would have lost from there

Basically I made a mistake which snowballed and made me likely scum early on but my gameplan after that was efficient enough to distract the remaining town from being confident enough on me being scum
User avatar
Flake
Benefactor
Benefactor
 
Posts: 976
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:34 am
Location: England, UK

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Seththeking » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:18 am

Flake wrote:Anyone saying "Mafia didn't deserve that win" is horrendously misguided and has a lack of consideration for who I left alive in order for my plan to be effective

Do you have any idea how townsided it is for your Mafia teammate to die N1 to the Vet on top of having to worry about 4 other PRs, and then having your only other remaining teammate be a convergent lynch when they are inactive

Yes, I played "badly" in the endgame, I was 100% aware of that, but I was also aware that emotional manipulation was perhaps the best strategy in order to avoid my lynch given the player constituents, of which many I knew would be prone to emotional manipulation. So taking the strategy of being "bad" in this context was effective

Almost everyone not as prone to this emotional manipulation and present enough to do something about it died. Which I was aware of, because I made the kills specifically with that in mind


Yes and when I figured out the no mention of Hydra Chat I angle shot it to you being Mafia.
However, no one pushed it.

You didn’t deserve your win.
The other mafia did.
Image
User avatar
Seththeking
Retributionist
Retributionist
 
Posts: 335
Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:03 pm

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Seththeking » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:19 am

Flake wrote:Rant over

Town thoroughly deserved the loss


Only because they don’t listen to my team.
If Over was lynched when Debil Pushed.
Then the game would have been won by town.
If Town actually followed me and Debil.
We would have won.
Image
User avatar
Seththeking
Retributionist
Retributionist
 
Posts: 335
Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:03 pm

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:21 am

Also, Multi, I did purposefully ignore part of the Jamez/Luk slip

I thought it might be a factor which would make people think that my omniscience regarding the 0ver/cham slips was alleviated
User avatar
Flake
Benefactor
Benefactor
 
Posts: 976
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:34 am
Location: England, UK

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby MrChuckleteeth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:25 am

Flake, just because town lost and misplayed near the last one or two days, it doesn’t mean mafia played better. You winning because your play happened to work doesn’t mean it should have worked. The result does not change the validity of the play.

I can understand the argument for leaving those people alive for EoD (Debil/Seth and Dota/Betto), and I will give you credit for realizing your only hope at that point was to psychologically manipulate the town into believing that a world where you get mislynched has a worse outcome than a world where someone else gets mislynched, when in reality it’s a mislynch regardless so neither would be “better” or “worse”.

The fact that you knew you had to make those nightkills in order for your desperate plan (given you admit playing to a regular scum meta would still lose you the game) that appealed to emotion to work, just proves how fucked mafia was and how mafia should not have won.

But I’m done arguing over a game I had basically no control over.
NFM65 - Investigator Win
18B - Citizen Win
18C - Citizen Loss
VFM52 - Citizen Win
SFM60 - Traitor Win
18D - Potion Master Loss
VFM54 - Citizen Loss
CFM19 - Town Epic Gamer Loss
ToSFM3 - All Jester game.
NFM66 - Prankster Loss

Record:
4 - 5

RPG Test cause why not.
Spoiler:
Image
User avatar
MrChuckleteeth
Executioner
Executioner
 
Posts: 24
Joined: Wed May 08, 2019 8:15 pm

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:27 am

Seththeking wrote:
Flake wrote:Anyone saying "Mafia didn't deserve that win" is horrendously misguided and has a lack of consideration for who I left alive in order for my plan to be effective

Do you have any idea how townsided it is for your Mafia teammate to die N1 to the Vet on top of having to worry about 4 other PRs, and then having your only other remaining teammate be a convergent lynch when they are inactive

Yes, I played "badly" in the endgame, I was 100% aware of that, but I was also aware that emotional manipulation was perhaps the best strategy in order to avoid my lynch given the player constituents, of which many I knew would be prone to emotional manipulation. So taking the strategy of being "bad" in this context was effective

Almost everyone not as prone to this emotional manipulation and present enough to do something about it died. Which I was aware of, because I made the kills specifically with that in mind


Yes and when I figured out the no mention of Hydra Chat I angle shot it to you being Mafia.
However, no one pushed it.

You didn’t deserve your win.
The other mafia did.

There were multiple mentions of me and Olly talking in hydra chat though? Even if there weren't you're talking about this like it's the greatest tell of all time when it isn't

Also I basically created everything that the Mafia did, so you are entirely wrong

Evild/soul/0ver/righto all did basically nothing and/or died early, the only 2 that did much other than me were cham and olly but I literally dictated all the happenings if you actually read Mafia chat
User avatar
Flake
Benefactor
Benefactor
 
Posts: 976
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:34 am
Location: England, UK

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby MrChuckleteeth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:28 am

Flake wrote:
Kmenx wrote:
Flake wrote:
Kmenx wrote:Town doesn't need to prove why they aren't the scum they need to prove why they are town

Except proving why you aren't the scum is the same as proving why you are town

Shouting I CAN'T BE SCUM RETARDS FUCK YOU over and over isn't the same as basically anything else

How is that relevant here

How is proving you are town any different to proving you are not scum

That makes no sense


Scum wants to avoid getting scumread/pushed, hence they want to prove they are “not scum”.

Town wants to find scum and wants to push scum so they can gamesolve and win, hence they want to prove they are “town”.
NFM65 - Investigator Win
18B - Citizen Win
18C - Citizen Loss
VFM52 - Citizen Win
SFM60 - Traitor Win
18D - Potion Master Loss
VFM54 - Citizen Loss
CFM19 - Town Epic Gamer Loss
ToSFM3 - All Jester game.
NFM66 - Prankster Loss

Record:
4 - 5

RPG Test cause why not.
Spoiler:
Image
User avatar
MrChuckleteeth
Executioner
Executioner
 
Posts: 24
Joined: Wed May 08, 2019 8:15 pm

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:33 am

MrChuckleteeth wrote:Flake, just because town lost and misplayed near the last one or two days, it doesn’t mean mafia played better. You winning because your play happened to work doesn’t mean it should have worked. The result does not change the validity of the play.

I can understand the argument for leaving those people alive for EoD (Debil/Seth and Dota/Betto), and I will give you credit for realizing your only hope at that point was to psychologically manipulate the town into believing that a world where you get mislynched has a worse outcome than a world where someone else gets mislynched, when in reality it’s a mislynch regardless so neither would be “better” or “worse”.

The fact that you knew you had to make those nightkills in order for your desperate plan (given you admit playing to a regular scum meta would still lose you the game) that appealed to emotion to work, just proves how fucked mafia was and how mafia should not have won.

But I’m done arguing over a game I had basically no control over.

But I anticipated that it would work, which is why I went with the plan

If I adopt a plan I think will work and it's executed well enough to work in such a dire situation how does Mafia not deserve the win

Also saying that Mafia didn't deserve the win because we were put in a dire situation in the first place implies our dire situation came about largely through mistakes of our own, which is false, considering the dire situation came about largely because a Mafia visited Vet N1 which is almost entirely impossible for Mafia to control without otherwise playing sub-optimally
User avatar
Flake
Benefactor
Benefactor
 
Posts: 976
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:34 am
Location: England, UK

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:35 am

MrChuckleteeth wrote:
Flake wrote:
Kmenx wrote:
Flake wrote:
Kmenx wrote:Town doesn't need to prove why they aren't the scum they need to prove why they are town

Except proving why you aren't the scum is the same as proving why you are town

Shouting I CAN'T BE SCUM RETARDS FUCK YOU over and over isn't the same as basically anything else

How is that relevant here

How is proving you are town any different to proving you are not scum

That makes no sense


Scum wants to avoid getting scumread/pushed, hence they want to prove they are “not scum”.

Town wants to find scum and wants to push scum so they can gamesolve and win, hence they want to prove they are “town”.

Scum wants to avoid getting scumread/pushed, hence they want to prove they are “town”.

Town wants to find scum and wants to push scum so they can gamesolve and win, hence they want to prove they are “not scum”.

notice how that works either way

because not scum = town

i understand what kmenx was trying to say now but that was not a good way of explaining it
User avatar
Flake
Benefactor
Benefactor
 
Posts: 976
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:34 am
Location: England, UK

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:40 am

TL;DR you're all salty nerds
Image


FM: 31-37
Last: VFM59
Highest BtM placement: 2nd (twice)
User avatar
Chemist1422
[Forum Mafia XVII] Winner
[Forum Mafia XVII] Winner
 
Posts: 850
Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:39 pm
Location: Fogbound Lake (UTC-7)

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:40 am

I apologize for being toxic but I thought adopting a strategy where I am toxic in that manner gave us the best chance of winning nearing the end
User avatar
Flake
Benefactor
Benefactor
 
Posts: 976
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:34 am
Location: England, UK

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:41 am

Chemist1422 wrote:TL;DR you're all salty nerds

i'm somehow salty even though i won
User avatar
Flake
Benefactor
Benefactor
 
Posts: 976
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:34 am
Location: England, UK

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:42 am

Flake wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:TL;DR you're all salty nerds

i'm somehow salty even though i won

that wasn't sarcasm btw i'm actually kind of salty about winning in that way
User avatar
Flake
Benefactor
Benefactor
 
Posts: 976
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:34 am
Location: England, UK

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:43 am

Also can we have a petition for Veteran to not exist

Literal personification of shitty swing
User avatar
Flake
Benefactor
Benefactor
 
Posts: 976
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:34 am
Location: England, UK

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:44 am

Vet shouldn't be able to alert N1, maybe?

idk
Image


FM: 31-37
Last: VFM59
Highest BtM placement: 2nd (twice)
User avatar
Chemist1422
[Forum Mafia XVII] Winner
[Forum Mafia XVII] Winner
 
Posts: 850
Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:39 pm
Location: Fogbound Lake (UTC-7)

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Seththeking » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:49 am

I mean Flake did so many scummy slips.
Like give the same reasoning Kmnex did which that’s when I started to believe Flake being scum.
So yeah IDK.
Image
User avatar
Seththeking
Retributionist
Retributionist
 
Posts: 335
Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:03 pm

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby ChamAlien » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:50 am

Seththeking wrote:
Flake wrote:Anyone saying "Mafia didn't deserve that win" is horrendously misguided and has a lack of consideration for who I left alive in order for my plan to be effective

Do you have any idea how townsided it is for your Mafia teammate to die N1 to the Vet on top of having to worry about 4 other PRs, and then having your only other remaining teammate be a convergent lynch when they are inactive

Yes, I played "badly" in the endgame, I was 100% aware of that, but I was also aware that emotional manipulation was perhaps the best strategy in order to avoid my lynch given the player constituents, of which many I knew would be prone to emotional manipulation. So taking the strategy of being "bad" in this context was effective

Almost everyone not as prone to this emotional manipulation and present enough to do something about it died. Which I was aware of, because I made the kills specifically with that in mind


Yes and when I figured out the no mention of Hydra Chat I angle shot it to you being Mafia.
However, no one pushed it.

You didn’t deserve your win.
The other mafia did.

I mean I just went along with his plan
I like 'em round and big
User avatar
ChamAlien
FM Awards: Town
FM Awards: Town
 
Posts: 384
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:21 am
Location: Here

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:54 am

drunk cham was MVP
User avatar
Flake
Benefactor
Benefactor
 
Posts: 976
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:34 am
Location: England, UK

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:55 am

You guys must admit though

My plan was hilariously ballsy even if you disagree with it being good
User avatar
Flake
Benefactor
Benefactor
 
Posts: 976
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:34 am
Location: England, UK

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Seththeking » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:58 am

Flake wrote:You guys must admit though

My plan was hilariously ballsy even if you disagree with it being good


Honestly.
I was confused as to why you decided to be toxic.
It was a Null approach but I couldn’t read you when you were doing that so I wanted to read Olly.
However that backfired because no one gave any links.
Image
User avatar
Seththeking
Retributionist
Retributionist
 
Posts: 335
Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:03 pm

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby EvanManManMan » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:00 am

Flake has never lost a game as wolf

Absolute fucking savage
User avatar
EvanManManMan
FM Awards: Town
FM Awards: Town
 
Posts: 236
Joined: Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:40 pm

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby EvanManManMan » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:03 am

EvanManManMan wrote:Flake has never lost a game as wolf

Absolute fucking savage

And on top of that he endgamed in every single game except one, being all any
User avatar
EvanManManMan
FM Awards: Town
FM Awards: Town
 
Posts: 236
Joined: Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:40 pm

Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Seththeking » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:14 am

EvanManManMan wrote:
EvanManManMan wrote:Flake has never lost a game as wolf

Absolute fucking savage

And on top of that he endgamed in every single game except one, being all any


He also has never gotten lynched as Wolf.
Image
User avatar
Seththeking
Retributionist
Retributionist
 
Posts: 335
Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:03 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Game Threads

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: JacksonVirgo and 9 guests