18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby jucktropy » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:41 am

dota2reporter wrote:flake is a very good and convincing actor


Nope shit actor obv he got found by me D3 And nobody qoute my posts to lynch him great


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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby dota2reporter » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:42 am

jucktropy wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:ye for some reason me and debil just hunted each other lol


I blame debil for being such stupid idiot

idk debil was fine

except him thinking my townslip wasnt genuine lol
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Helicooler » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:43 am

dota2reporter wrote:
jucktropy wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:ye for some reason me and debil just hunted each other lol


I blame debil for being such stupid idiot

idk debil was fine

except him thinking my townslip wasnt genuine lol
i didnt think it was genuine and i would think you were town if we werent hydra'd
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby dota2reporter » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:44 am

@Chuckle wall

yeah correct description lol
i was really panicking bcuz it's the first time in fm i lived past d2

yeah looking back flake was really spewing "dont lynch me" but :/
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby MrChuckleteeth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:46 am

dota2reporter wrote:
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dota2reporter wrote:lesson: never trust AtE

alsp never trust "i'd never do this as scum"


Why would you trust that in the first place?

You can't be serious dota.

idk i just did


If Flake says they would never do this as scum, that in itself is a reason why they would do it as scum.
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby dota2reporter » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:47 am

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby MrChuckleteeth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:49 am

Dota did you ever watch the wine in front of me clip of the movie the term originates from?

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby dota2reporter » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:01 am

MrChuckleteeth wrote:Dota did you ever watch the wine in front of me clip of the movie the term originates from?

If not, here's the clip.

oh lol that movie actually looks pretty good
i like the acting
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby dota2reporter » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:10 am

5/13 (nfm65) * 5/13 (nfmnfm) * 10/16 (vfm51) * 9/13 (vfm50) = 6.4% of me rolling cit 4 times in a row

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Kmenx » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:41 am

Flake was horrendus the last day and still won like if someone's entire ISO in mylo is "I wouldn't do [x] as scum" 9/10 times they are scum
Multi didn't even notice that Debil didn't vote Jamez D1 despite if he was scum he would know that Jamez was actually TP
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Kmenx » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:42 am

Kmenx wrote:Flake was horrendus the last day and still won like if someone's entire ISO in mylo is "I wouldn't do [x] as scum" 9/10 times they are scum
Multi didn't even notice that Debil didn't vote Jamez D1 despite if he was scum he would know that Jamez was actually TP

Town doesn't need to prove why they aren't the scum they need to prove why they are town
Also my death should've confirmed flake as scum since anyone else except flake was scum they would kill flake since he was "confirmed town" for white knighting Jamez
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby TheDebil » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:54 am

when flake went "idk who shaingr even is" i had a bad feeling tbh but i just couldnt be bothered anymore and i didnt have a case for him, neither did seth or heli so all would happen is flake continiously screeching at me and prolly me getting lynched regardless lol
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Kmenx » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:55 am

Kmenx wrote:
Kmenx wrote:Flake was horrendus the last day and still won like if someone's entire ISO in mylo is "I wouldn't do [x] as scum" 9/10 times they are scum
Multi didn't even notice that Debil didn't vote Jamez D1 despite if he was scum he would know that Jamez was actually TP

Town doesn't need to prove why they aren't the scum they need to prove why they are town
Also my death should've confirmed flake as scum since anyone else except flake was scum they would kill flake since he was "confirmed town" for white knighting Jamez

Yeah we died N3 but Juck should've died before us if anyone else was scum
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby TheDebil » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:57 am

i was hoping multi would go "scum.wouldnt.push on someone im against pushing, right? scum wouldnt oppose this so much" and lock me or something
this is the same situation like in switch fm when i focused more on not dying and 1upping everyone.else involved
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby TheDebil » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:05 am

i should have known dota was town when he said he was town
lowkey believed him but i had too much against him piled up
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:12 am

Anyone saying "Mafia didn't deserve that win" is horrendously misguided and has a lack of consideration for who I left alive in order for my plan to be effective

Do you have any idea how townsided it is for your Mafia teammate to die N1 to the Vet on top of having to worry about 4 other PRs, and then having your only other remaining teammate be a convergent lynch when they are inactive

Yes, I played "badly" in the endgame, I was 100% aware of that, but I was also aware that emotional manipulation was perhaps the best strategy in order to avoid my lynch given the player constituents, of which many I knew would be prone to emotional manipulation. So taking the strategy of being "bad" in this context was effective

Almost everyone not as prone to this emotional manipulation and present enough to do something about it died. Which I was aware of, because I made the kills specifically with that in mind
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:17 am

Kmenx wrote:
Kmenx wrote:Flake was horrendus the last day and still won like if someone's entire ISO in mylo is "I wouldn't do [x] as scum" 9/10 times they are scum
Multi didn't even notice that Debil didn't vote Jamez D1 despite if he was scum he would know that Jamez was actually TP

Town doesn't need to prove why they aren't the scum they need to prove why they are town
Also my death should've confirmed flake as scum since anyone else except flake was scum they would kill flake since he was "confirmed town" for white knighting Jamez

Except I wouldn't have been "confirmed town" given the events that had transpired even if I was Town

You still would have been the kill over me if I was Town most likely because Multi was never going to allow you to die
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:18 am

TheDebil wrote:when flake went "idk who shaingr even is" i had a bad feeling tbh but i just couldnt be bothered anymore and i didnt have a case for him, neither did seth or heli so all would happen is flake continiously screeching at me and prolly me getting lynched regardless lol

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:26 am

Town lost despite being in a position where they had an objectively huge advantage from D2 onwards

How any of you can say "Mafia didn't deserve the win" knowing that is beyond me
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:28 am

Rant over

Town thoroughly deserved the loss
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:34 am

jucktropy wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:flake is a very good and convincing actor


Nope shit actor obv he got found by me D3 And nobody qoute my posts to lynch him great


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If you were that confident you would have done more about it before you died
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:53 am

Kmenx wrote:Town doesn't need to prove why they aren't the scum they need to prove why they are town

Except proving why you aren't the scum is the same as proving why you are town
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Flake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:33 am

MrChuckleteeth wrote:And I agree mafia did not deserve that win. If all of the remaining townies during the last day took at least some time to analyze Flake's posting pattern, his tone, his word choice, his focus, his apparent goal and his approach, I'm sure you could have seen through the acting. Multi was on the right track with their gut read, because Flake was (at least to me) screaming "I'm scum". And Olly did not make Flake's case any better, given they basically had the same approach to the game, if anything, that should have been the biggest tell that they were the scum. Especially on a hydra game where hydra heads can usually differ in playstyle/

Flake your posts were sloppy and spewed that you only cared about not getting lynched, not about actually finding who the scum was and getting them lynched. I lost respect for you because on top of that, you decided it'd be great to appeal to emotion by basically insulting anyone that disagreed with you or didn't choose to see your PoV.

Following "Mafia didn't deserve the win" with "town could have done x and x" proves exactly why Mafia DID deserve the win. Town didn't play well enough, and I anticipated that the remaining townies would not play well enough, which is why we won.

The entire point of my "sloppy gameplan" and AtE was to focus on scaring people away from my lynch. That was the emotional manipulation. "If Flake is actually Town and we lynch him, I'll look like a complete idiot and Town will slate me". I would imagine that is a subconscious thought to many of the alive players in the endgame, and that is exactly what I wanted. Had I played in the default way which people perceive a Mafia player "should play", what do you think would have happened? There was decent objective evidence for my lynch. Had I allowed an atmosphere which was anything but chaotic, people would have been all the more likely to vote using logic. Which would be losing for me. I don't care about losing people's respect if it means adopting a gameplan which in my mind was optimal, and would help me in winning the game as a result.
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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Eragon1329 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:39 am

Hi, yes I didn’t even begin to barely play the game


but flake should always have been lynched after their strong defense of Jamez and pushing Cham like that

It’s so obviously scum pushing for that extra towncred of “he would never push his scumbuddy over town”
But when you think about it logically, both Jamez/Cham get lynched in succession, the only difference is flake gains “towncred”

No logical town gets so worked up over the general consensus deciding to lynch someone that only “partially acumslipped” over someone that “100% scumslipped”

I don’t really have much to say other than this Becuase I was only slightly skimming, but this is something that really stood out.

With the huge advanatage town had after killing agent N1, town should never have lost in this game.

so I’m not saying here that flake played poorly, I’m saying that there were plenty of opportunities to lynch flake, but town ignored them.

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Re: 18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

Postby Eragon1329 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:42 am

Also I was completely unspoiled so this is unbiased


Basically what I’m saying is, flake you were obvscum, but played well enough to distract the remaining town players from lynching you
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