18C NFMNFM - Game Over - Mafia wins!

[Seththeking]

I mean Flake did so many scummy slips.
Like give the same reasoning Kmnex did which that’s when I started to believe Flake being scum.
So yeah IDK.

[ChamAlien]

Anyone saying "Mafia didn't deserve that win" is horrendously misguided and has a lack of consideration for who I left alive in order for my plan to be effective

Do you have any idea how townsided it is for your Mafia teammate to die N1 to the Vet on top of having to worry about 4 other PRs, and then having your only other remaining teammate be a convergent lynch when they are inactive

Yes, I played "badly" in the endgame, I was 100% aware of that, but I was also aware that emotional manipulation was perhaps the best strategy in order to avoid my lynch given the player constituents, of which many I knew would be prone to emotional manipulation. So taking the strategy of being "bad" in this context was effective

Almost everyone not as prone to this emotional manipulation and present enough to do something about it died. Which I was aware of, because I made the kills specifically with that in mind

Yes and when I figured out the no mention of Hydra Chat I angle shot it to you being Mafia.
However, no one pushed it.

You didn’t deserve your win.
The other mafia did.

I mean I just went along with his plan

[Seththeking]

You guys must admit though

My plan was hilariously ballsy even if you disagree with it being good

Honestly.
I was confused as to why you decided to be toxic.
It was a Null approach but I couldn’t read you when you were doing that so I wanted to read Olly.
However that backfired because no one gave any links.

[EvanManManMan]

Flake has never lost a game as wolf

Absolute fucking savage

[EvanManManMan]

Flake has never lost a game as wolf

Absolute fucking savage

And on top of that he endgamed in every single game except one, being all any

[Seththeking]

Flake has never lost a game as wolf

Absolute fucking savage

And on top of that he endgamed in every single game except one, being all any

He also has never gotten lynched as Wolf.

[dota2reporter]

debil i still don't understand how you thought my slip wasn't genuine

[Soulshade55r]

GJ mafia team I'm surpised you guys managed to do it with me and evil getting killed N1.

[Chemist1422]

Flake has never lost a game as wolf

Absolute fucking savage

I mean there was one on MU where he subbed out D2 and lost but that’s basically an asterisk

[Eragon1329]

Also I was completely unspoiled so this is unbiased


Basically what I’m saying is, flake you were obvscum, but played well enough to distract the remaining town players from lynching you

This is essentially the correct take

Mafia was put in a horrible situation from D2 onward so I knew I needed to adopt a strategy which ensures our longevity, thus the strategy to psychologically manipulate others into not voting me

My mistake was to town read 0ver early on; it was difficult to anticipate that the lynch would converge to him so soon, but because of that the ties between me and him snowballed as the game progressed, thus I came up with the plan of a fake scum slip; had I not done that we almost certainly would have lost from there

Basically I made a mistake which snowballed and made me likely scum early on but my gameplan after that was efficient enough to distract the remaining town from being confident enough on me being scum

As long as you understand this you are free to go

Well played sir

[Descender]

when flake went "idk who shaingr even is" i had a bad feeling tbh but i just couldnt be bothered anymore and i didnt have a case for him, neither did seth or heli so all would happen is flake continiously screeching at me and prolly me getting lynched regardless lol

my case was you werent scum due to logic so flake was scum
so
simple

[Descender]

flake is a very good and convincing actor

To be honest dota, and I mean this with no offence intended, as I have respect for you as a player, I think you are a little paranoid, indecisive and gullible at times. I think Flake's acting was good, I don't think it was that convincing however (though I suppose I have some confirmation bias since I was spectating).

And I agree mafia did not deserve that win. If all of the remaining townies during the last day took at least some time to analyze Flake's posting pattern, his tone, his word choice, his focus, his apparent goal and his approach, I'm sure you could have seen through the acting. Multi was on the right track with their gut read, because Flake was (at least to me) screaming "I'm scum". And Olly did not make Flake's case any better, given they basically had the same approach to the game, if anything, that should have been the biggest tell that they were the scum. Especially on a hydra game where hydra heads can usually differ in playstyle/

Flake your posts were sloppy and spewed that you only cared about not getting lynched, not about actually finding who the scum was and getting them lynched. I lost respect for you because on top of that, you decided it'd be great to appeal to emotion by basically insulting anyone that disagreed with you or didn't choose to see your PoV.

If Dota/Betto and/or Multi/Goomba could have seen at least THAT much, you could have quickly figured out that Debil and Seth were town (because they were actually trying to gamesolve) and that Flake and Olly were scum.

Here's a hint: Mafia doesn't care about gamesolving because the game is already solved for them (well, except the PRs, which is why mafia PR hunts).

Another hint: Don't focus so much on meta reads. Any player that is aware of their own meta as any alignment makes meta reading, more often than not, a shot in the dark.

But I decided to thunderdome day 1, so take this post with a grain of salt.

Anyways, that's all I have to say about this game. Good night.

I know I know
Like on the last day I've pointed out why Flake was bad but I second guessed myself after everyone else disagreed with me

hi I do exist and have you noticed that Im good late game

[Descender]

tl:dr-

never follow conftown.
ever.

I should of learnt this after the IC incident

[jucktropy]

tl:dr-

never follow conftown.
ever.

I should of learnt this after the IC incident

WTF Are you saying I was Conftown and I was right

[Multiuniverse]

flake is a very good and convincing actor

To be honest dota, and I mean this with no offence intended, as I have respect for you as a player, I think you are a little paranoid, indecisive and gullible at times. I think Flake's acting was good, I don't think it was that convincing however (though I suppose I have some confirmation bias since I was spectating).

And I agree mafia did not deserve that win. If all of the remaining townies during the last day took at least some time to analyze Flake's posting pattern, his tone, his word choice, his focus, his apparent goal and his approach, I'm sure you could have seen through the acting. Multi was on the right track with their gut read, because Flake was (at least to me) screaming "I'm scum". And Olly did not make Flake's case any better, given they basically had the same approach to the game, if anything, that should have been the biggest tell that they were the scum. Especially on a hydra game where hydra heads can usually differ in playstyle/

Flake your posts were sloppy and spewed that you only cared about not getting lynched, not about actually finding who the scum was and getting them lynched. I lost respect for you because on top of that, you decided it'd be great to appeal to emotion by basically insulting anyone that disagreed with you or didn't choose to see your PoV.

If Dota/Betto and/or Multi/Goomba could have seen at least THAT much, you could have quickly figured out that Debil and Seth were town (because they were actually trying to gamesolve) and that Flake and Olly were scum.

Here's a hint: Mafia doesn't care about gamesolving because the game is already solved for them (well, except the PRs, which is why mafia PR hunts).

Another hint: Don't focus so much on meta reads. Any player that is aware of their own meta as any alignment makes meta reading, more often than not, a shot in the dark.

But I decided to thunderdome day 1, so take this post with a grain of salt.

Anyways, that's all I have to say about this game. Good night.

I know I know
Like on the last day I've pointed out why Flake was bad but I second guessed myself after everyone else disagreed with me

hi I do exist and have you noticed that Im good late game

too little too late

[jucktropy]

flake is a very good and convincing actor

Nope shit actor obv he got found by me D3 And nobody qoute my posts to lynch him great


NEXT TIME PEOPLE Follow ME

Read The TIP

[Chemist1422]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand how Flake plays wolf.

[jucktropy]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand how Flake plays wolf.

I was 10 IQ and I understood :/

(don't read my profile)

[Descender]

flake is a very good and convincing actor

To be honest dota, and I mean this with no offence intended, as I have respect for you as a player, I think you are a little paranoid, indecisive and gullible at times. I think Flake's acting was good, I don't think it was that convincing however (though I suppose I have some confirmation bias since I was spectating).

And I agree mafia did not deserve that win. If all of the remaining townies during the last day took at least some time to analyze Flake's posting pattern, his tone, his word choice, his focus, his apparent goal and his approach, I'm sure you could have seen through the acting. Multi was on the right track with their gut read, because Flake was (at least to me) screaming "I'm scum". And Olly did not make Flake's case any better, given they basically had the same approach to the game, if anything, that should have been the biggest tell that they were the scum. Especially on a hydra game where hydra heads can usually differ in playstyle/

Flake your posts were sloppy and spewed that you only cared about not getting lynched, not about actually finding who the scum was and getting them lynched. I lost respect for you because on top of that, you decided it'd be great to appeal to emotion by basically insulting anyone that disagreed with you or didn't choose to see your PoV.

If Dota/Betto and/or Multi/Goomba could have seen at least THAT much, you could have quickly figured out that Debil and Seth were town (because they were actually trying to gamesolve) and that Flake and Olly were scum.

Here's a hint: Mafia doesn't care about gamesolving because the game is already solved for them (well, except the PRs, which is why mafia PR hunts).

Another hint: Don't focus so much on meta reads. Any player that is aware of their own meta as any alignment makes meta reading, more often than not, a shot in the dark.

But I decided to thunderdome day 1, so take this post with a grain of salt.

Anyways, that's all I have to say about this game. Good night.

I know I know
Like on the last day I've pointed out why Flake was bad but I second guessed myself after everyone else disagreed with me

hi I do exist and have you noticed that Im good late game

too little too late

a little to late for you to realise your read from earlier was correct and flake was throwing shit around to try to win

no

[dota2reporter]

flake roll me mafia or predator when your next game is up megalul:

[Descender]

I know I know
Like on the last day I've pointed out why Flake was bad but I second guessed myself after everyone else disagreed with me

hi I do exist and have you noticed that Im good late game

I had all my reads but chemist right in transistor
I had you right here
and those are the two times I lived until late game

[EvilDeanius0]

GJ mafia team I'm surpised you guys managed to do it with me and evil getting killed N1.

Because the second best player in the game was also mafia and they carried instead of us.

[TheWabbit]

uzay still mafia from my eyes

[Royee]

uzay still mafia from my eyes

I can't blame you.

[Seththeking]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand how Flake plays wolf.

I knew he was Wolf.
But I didn’t like some things Dota said, then said “well whatever, he’s just not thinking clearly and moved back to Flake”