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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby Phone0Ix » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:19 am

TheWabbit wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:Back.

Still thinking Wabbit rlly is scum. And him just ignoring accusations feels scummy also

i ignore accusations because they suck
also you haven't reacted on my take on your read

sucks to be blind i guess

Sucks to be scum I guess
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby dota2reporter » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:20 am

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Helicooler wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
Flake wrote:i kind of want to pl heli even though he probably flips v

im shooting him why does no one listen

yeah but I've got dota on me remember

i'm protecting you everywhere except fm

Flake wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:wasn't i as awkward when got pushed early d1?

no

qva and chuckle don't seem to agree, can ya explain?

Chemist1422 wrote:
fwogcarf wrote:/vote Chemist

Sheep

true but is that all you have to say? fwog isn't following a bad wagon

Helicooler wrote:you do this alot now innit
the plan was because I was foed, meaning I could get really good reacts by telling someone to say a certain thing.
I'm not reposting reads as it would be really hard to find them as you have shown. The top scum if I remember though where you, flake, and I dont remember the other two

1. yup
2. okay but it didn't work i guess?
2. hm, interesting opinions. care to explain?

Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:
Flake wrote:{Flake} - Lock T
{Qva, dota} - Top T
{Dash2, Phone} - T Lean
{MrChuckleteeth, fwog, TheDebil} - Slight T Lean
{Helicooler, Ultiix} - Null T
{non, Eragon} - Null
{watchme} - Null S
{} - Slight S Lean
{Goomba, TheWabbit, Chemist} - S Lean
{} - Top S
{} - Lock S

ebwop

this is ok but also fucking shit

don't see much wrong with it

TheWabbit wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:those are the people that started posting more when chemist was offline

doesn't make them good picks to ISO

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Helicooler wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Ulti's heli read is shit

i 100% agree

and about chemist

i don't like how he's ignoring the pressure on him, so i'll vote him
/vote Chemist1422

wat

also i forgot that ive done some of this rip

what didn't you understand? i can explain

Helicooler wrote:conclusion-

watchme wagon shouldn't exist, it isnt enough to work off of and it doesnt really make them scum. Chemist wagon shouldnt be a thing d1 with chemist being quite a neutral figure rn. flake, wabbit, eragon, they are all people i would consider but its a bit later for it. However, i might as well try
/vote Eragon

the eragon wagon would have even less info than the chemist and watchme ones

Flake wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:wasn't i as awkward when got pushed early d1?

LAMIST

at face value that is the opposite of lamist
if you take it as 'I am town and i was awkward when being pushed" its lamist. if you take it as a scum confirming a scum team with another scum you should rethink

Or maybe you can take it as "why am I not being scum read now for being awkward if chemist is"

Why would I think of your latter option

yup, that's what i meant

watchme1 wrote:Making a phone post right now in case someone decides to hammer me.

When did i ever once say i knew how fwog played? If i did please quote it word for word, if i recall all i said was that you can't analyse him because his attitude as everyone else said screams defeat. And even if i did, it's not AI at all knowing how i read just one person. So for people wagoning on me just cause of it need to present alternative reasons.

Also flake my vote was rngd at the start of the day, but over time i concluded that i scum read Wabbit which is why the vote stays on him.

Some of the reasons i scum read chuckle weren't the best i agree but doesn't it seem a little strange to be just based of that?

If I'm missing anything say so before i go back to classes.

defense seems townie, no nervous tone to be seen and everything seems answered


Analysis:
Chemist seemed to be pretty nervous with only 2 votes on him which isn't townie (i mean before fwog and heli jumped on)
fwog is responding to the most useless posts and ignoring the important ones
ultii and debil should keep going
Heli is definetely improving in my reads, I like her controversial look on things
I didn't like that Flake didn't mention 3 (at the time, now 4) of his townreads being on watchme, which would from his PoV make a watchme mafia flip likely
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby dota2reporter » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:37 am

GrumpyGoomba wrote:I do find chemist scummy, but lynching watchme would resolve chemist imo. Fwog and non kinda went under radar due to the lead wagons which pinged me weirdly.

non replaced out so it's not like we can vote him

fwog is getting attention
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:38 am

W8 non did. Figures why I wasn't seeing any posts from them.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby watchme1 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:40 am

TheDebil wrote:btw how many irl days do we still have? 1 or 2


we have around 6 hours till eod

Alrighty pc post, my mental is boom from uni today so forgive my shitty post here.

Debil what's your reason to vote for Goomba, this late into the day, it's unlikely to be a meme so I'm assuming you're scum reading him. I haven't seen any posts from Goomba that scream scummy unless you could elaborate for me.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby dota2reporter » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:41 am

watchme1 wrote:
TheDebil wrote:btw how many irl days do we still have? 1 or 2


we have around 6 hours till eod

Alrighty pc post, my mental is boom from uni today so forgive my shitty post here.

Debil what's your reason to vote for Goomba, this late into the day, it's unlikely to be a meme so I'm assuming you're scum reading him. I haven't seen any posts from Goomba that scream scummy unless you could elaborate for me.

i agree, the vote seemed out of place
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:42 am

Guys I think fwog flips scum the most out of all the players in scum pool here. Can we get a good wagon going?

/vote fwog
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby dota2reporter » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:43 am

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Guys I think fwog flips scum the most out of all the players in scum pool here. Can we get a good wagon going?

/vote fwog

why do you prefer fwog over chemist?
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby dota2reporter » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:46 am

Town [dota]
Townread [flake, dash2, mrchuckle]
Townlean [ultii, debil, grumpy]
Null town [qvapil, thewabbit, heli]
Null [non]
Null scum [watchme, eragon]
Scumlean [phone]
Scumread [chemist, fwog]
Scum []

subject to change once i analyse isos
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:48 am

Fwog has just been posting fluff and complaining from what I can see in their iso. They are literally ignoring all the spicy stuff and responding to the futile shit that has no relevance to the current game state. From my pov it is as if fwog is afraid of forming connections with other players, which is a big scum indication for me. Also them jumping on chemists wagon was just ???
I mean I know chemist isn't a bad wagon but it looked as if fwog did it just because it wasn't a bad wagon to be on and nothing else.

I will do a chemist analysis soonish.

Question for all:- Do you think fwog and chemist could be possible scumteam?
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby dota2reporter » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:52 am

Flake wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:I didn't like that Flake didn't mention 3 (at the time, now 4) of his townreads being on watchme, which would from his PoV make a watchme mafia flip likely

scum probably does not join that wagon early irrespective of whether watchme is mafia or not

well then you just said it doesn't contribute to deducing watchme's alignment.

@Grumpy lemme check if they have connections
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:54 am

dota2reporter wrote:Town [dota]
Townread [flake, dash2, mrchuckle]
Townlean [ultii, debil, grumpy]
Null town [qvapil, thewabbit, heli]
Null [non]
Null scum [watchme, eragon]
Scumlean [phone]
Scumread [chemist, fwog]
Scum []

subject to change once i analyse isos


Agree with most, but just need explanation on ultii, qva, phone and heli.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby dota2reporter » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:56 am

i mean that could definetely be a bussing attempt from fwog but with that vote he's risking getting more scumread and pushing the chemist wagon even more.
maybe he's trying to make the chemist wagon look sheepy so that others jump off of it but it's unlikely
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby dota2reporter » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:58 am

they also avoided reading each other
chemist said he doesn't want to meta-read fwog and fwog said he wants to see more from chemist
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby dota2reporter » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:00 am

Flake wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:I didn't like that Flake didn't mention 3 (at the time, now 4) of his townreads being on watchme, which would from his PoV make a watchme mafia flip likely

scum probably does not join that wagon early irrespective of whether watchme is mafia or not

well then you just said it doesn't contribute to deducing watchme's alignment.

@Grumpy lemme check if they have connections

it tells me that the wagon was probably at least largely pure, and that's about it

the fact that the wagon was largely pure doesn't make me think watchme is more or less likely to be mafia


Flake wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
Flake wrote:so watchme is a ml

cool

vote chemist

why is he a ml

because the wagon gained traction too fast and there's huge room for opportunism

also chemist is on the wagon and he's mafia
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby dota2reporter » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:05 am

GrumpyGoomba wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:Town [dota]
Townread [flake, dash2, mrchuckle]
Townlean [ultii, debil, grumpy]
Null town [qvapil, thewabbit, heli]
Null [non]
Null scum [watchme, eragon]
Scumlean [phone]
Scumread [chemist, fwog]
Scum []

subject to change once i analyse isos


Agree with most, but just need explanation on ultii, qva, phone and heli.

phone: the push on wabbit seems unnatural because of the "oh i saw him ignore posts but i couldn't find an example", it feels to me that if wabbit is scum phone is a scumbuddy

ultii: is a townread to give him an incentive to keep making his 3 people per post analysis. they seem completely fine with me and i want to see more

qva: already explained this, after our going back and forth at each other i realised that qva is defending themselves well and the defense has a town tone

heli: already explained too, finally started to follow the game and the controversial points seem quite interesting. again, an "incentive to keep going like this" townread
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:15 am

Mhh phone's push on wabbit ticked me off as well. Their push lacks town intent and simple doesn't feel genuine.

Nothing to add on ulti and heli.

I am still not sold on qva fully being town but my scumread on her has lessened after her exchange with you ended.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby dota2reporter » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:26 am

can you make a similar list?
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:42 am

T Me
TR Dota, Wabbit, Dash
TL Chuckle, Flake
NT Debil, Ultii
N non, Google, Eragon
NS Phone, Chemist
SL Watchme1
SR Fwog
S

Hope didn't miss anybody this time.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:44 am

Phone0Ix wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:Back.

Still thinking Wabbit rlly is scum. And him just ignoring accusations feels scummy also

i ignore accusations because they suck
also you haven't reacted on my take on your read

sucks to be blind i guess

Sucks to be scum I guess


sucks to try and provoke yet fail
and you haven't reacted to my response at all

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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:45 am

dota2reporter wrote:Town [dota]
Townread [flake, dash2, mrchuckle]
Townlean [ultii, debil, grumpy]
Null town [qvapil, thewabbit, heli]
Null [non]
Null scum [watchme, eragon]
Scumlean [phone]
Scumread [chemist, fwog]
Scum []

subject to change once i analyse isos

ignoring self-placement

why is eragon only nullscum
also
can i interest you into following the TWTBAW read on fwog
their level isn't protown but its highly destructive as mafia
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:46 am

Yeah I can see phone being scum even more now. That response just screams wolf.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby dota2reporter » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:49 am

GrumpyGoomba wrote:T Me
TR Dota, Wabbit, Dash
TL Chuckle, Flake
NT Debil, Ultii
N non, Google, Eragon
NS Phone, Chemist
SL Watchme1
SR Fwog
S

Hope didn't miss anybody this time.

you said you agree with most but need explanations on ultii, qva, phone and heli, yet we have wabbit pretty far away from each other and you didn't point that out
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:51 am

dota2reporter wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:T Me
TR Dota, Wabbit, Dash
TL Chuckle, Flake
NT Debil, Ultii
N non, Google, Eragon
NS Phone, Chemist
SL Watchme1
SR Fwog
S

Hope didn't miss anybody this time.

you said you agree with most but need explanations on ultii, qva, phone and heli, yet we have wabbit pretty far away from each other and you didn't point that out


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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:51 am

Flake wrote:i had a read on fwog but i withheld it purposefully but now i forgot it because i'm dumb

but yeah they probably actually are TWTBAW

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