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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:02 am

Dash2 wrote:
Qva's ISO
Qvapil wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:debil and dota are mafia

lol what did debil do


You got caught rip
/vote debil
Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:debil and dota are mafia

lol what did debil do

why are you not asking what you did


He already claimed scum

Qva calls out the wrong person here. Votes Debil even though he's calling dota scum, then backpedals saying the vote wasn't serious
Qvapil wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Qva why did you vote debil instead of dota here

It wasn't a serious vote. Plus I didn't think dota was scum then.

Interactions with dota during that time tells me otherwise.

Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:it doesnt always work like that
town would dance around as much as scum if they wanted to because no one wants to be scumread, and my claim isnt that in the first place
i said im a serial town because i thought it was funny


Oh I thought I was talking to dota my bad.
I don't mind your claim.
I just thought it was weirdly self conscious of dota to say "my answer won't matter"

Careful choice of words there

Qva then proceeds to go through the same pattern of getting around directly confronting Debil and doesn't do a solid read on Debil.

Conclusion: Qva distances himself from Debil by scumreading him then calls it not serious.


Do I have to colour in my posts in memephase so you can distinguish when I'm joking or not? I spent over 24h during D1 explaining my early posts, yet here we are again. Dota claimed scum obviously as a joke, I didn't think he was scum yet. Even though I said "he already claimed scum". That was a joke. Dota joked. I joked with him. Okay? And my vote on debil was on like page 2-3 of the game. How is it so hard to understand that I didn't seriously scumread him?

Also anyone thinking I could be scum with chemist should read through D1 again. I was the first vote on chemist (even though s0me0ne missed it) and stayed there during all the changes that happened. Do you really think I'd bus that hard? I've only played as mafia once, it's way more likely I'd be the bussee than the busser. I also sheeped flake all D1, giving me a solid excuse to follow his lead on watchme when he changed his mind, yet that was the only time where I actually went against his opinion and kept pushing chemist instead. Besides, assuming flake was a mafia kill, why would scum!me, after commiting to a hard chemist bus, agree to kill one of the most townread and loud people who thought I was locktown? That negates the whole point of the bus chemist play.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby TheDebil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:03 am

question to everyone

lets jump to d3
i dont exist, i flipped town. lets say no one was killed.

who is scum to you?
because making associations due to me flipping scum will waste an entire day for you guys

im doing this becuase i have become busy once again, personal reasons
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby Qvapil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:03 am

Dash2 wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:Chemist/Qvapil/TheDebil/xUltiix scumteam.

GG I just gamesolved.

Ulti deathtunneling Debil isn't SvS


It's never SvS until it is.

In what world does scum bus their partner to the point of hardly focusing on anyone else


In the world where everyone ignored ultii's push.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:04 am

dota2reporter wrote:
!!! literally every alive player's posts related to chemist from day 1 !!!
use this, peeps
yes i have no life


TheDebil
Spoiler:
TheDebil wrote:/vote chemist
town gang

TheDebil wrote:i think helicooler and chemist are two scum

TheDebil wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:Debil why do you think helicooler is scummy?

stated my initial reasoning but now i changed my mind
page 1 heli and chemsit interactions feel like they are both scum mirroring eachother and trying to pocket other people from helis server. then heli gives up and votes chemist for distance
its a bit far fetched but very likely.imo

TheDebil wrote:i dont agree with the chemist read
i as town shit my pants more about being scumread than anything else

TheDebil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:i dont agree with the chemist read
i as town shit my pants more about being scumread than anything else

chemists push seems entirely normal to me and for early game thare is enough reason to make it
what is suspicious is chemists memephase talk, atleast to me

TheDebil wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:Debil why do you think helicooler is scummy?

stated my initial reasoning but now i changed my mind
page 1 heli and chemsit interactions feel like they are both scum mirroring eachother and trying to pocket other people from helis server. then heli gives up and votes chemist for distance
its a bit far fetched but very likely.imo


Chemist is using weak reasoning to justify a vote on dota.

If they are distancing then good play by them, because it doesn't look that way to me.

isnt that pretty much everyones who sr dota reasoning
how is chemist any different for you

TheDebil wrote:flake/qva/chemist/woahah

TheDebil wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:Chemist - The push on me was fine, i didn't like that he didn't add anything to the conversation after voting me
Question: can you provide a reads list?

that is all? maybe he is just busy lol

TheDebil wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:@dota
I don’t get the basis of your scumread on me, I posted a couple times but they weren’t contentful because I didn’t have the time to make any reads or get drawn into an argument

it's a pressure scumread because i expect more from you

Why does no one listen to me when I tell them not to do this

Plus the pressure is gone because you say it’s pressure

you are notified there is pressure and now the pressure comes into full swing
you now know something is expected of you, instead of there being a simple scumread

TheDebil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:im off for now
forcing myself to iso dive dash and wabbit later with this message

oh and heli and chemist

TheDebil wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:This is the fourth VFM in a row someone’s deathtunneled me in

At this point I should just stop playing VFM entirely


This seems like a weird AtE attempt to me, which is pretty out of character for chemist.

nope this is not out of character at all.

TheDebil wrote:
Flake wrote:chemist flips v probably. i'd rather a watchme lynch

werent you against a watchme lynch and for a chamist lynch
what changed

TheDebil wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:This is the fourth VFM in a row someone’s deathtunneled me in

At this point I should just stop playing VFM entirely


This seems like a weird AtE attempt to me, which is pretty out of character for chemist.

nope this is not out of character at all.

Welp you have presumably played longer with chem than I have so you know better. Anyways would you mind explaining your naked vote on me?

yeah he absolutely hate being scumread and pushed on

TheDebil wrote:qva really wants a chemist lynch

TheDebil wrote:or did chemist give up hmm

TheDebil wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:qva really wants a chemist lynch
if watch flips scum im shooting qva
but probably still gonna shoot helicopter

the point of watchme knowing fwogs play falls flat but there are other accusations and im gonna trust those

/vote watchme

If we lynch chemist and he's v shoot watchme

i think they probably both flip town so i wont

TheDebil wrote:
Dash2 wrote:>watchme wagon builds up too quickly
>counterwagon on chemist just barely makes it before people want to switch back

seriously watchme is town here

chemist is too
but no one wants qva

TheDebil wrote:
Dash2 wrote:how do you not understand watchme is town by how fast the wagon picked up

flake even you should understand this and the fact you're still going with this tells that you're scum

why not me i think both wagons flip town but still vote watchme

dota2reporter
Spoiler:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:also please let's not mislynch three times in a row like in that one game

Let’s mislynch four times in a row while having the vig shoot all the scum

Because it’s funny

good plan i'm signing up

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Rand this man vig every game tbh

even in games where vig doesn't exist SeemsGood

dota2reporter wrote:ok heli and chemist you can reveal now

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:debil and dota are mafia

lol what did debil do

This post is wolfy

what about it

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
TheDebil wrote:are you saying the read is correct

i wasn't implying the reads are wrong or true, i'm surprised how you all deduct this stuff this early

So is it wrong

does my answer really matter

@chemist ye i slightly adjust my tone in fm from my posts in other threads so that it suits better, maybe that's why it sounds awkward
i gotta admit i did kinda ignore it becuase i was like "i'm fairly sure i'm getting scumread even more if i answer yes and no"

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Why were you worried about getting scumread?

¯\_( ͠° ͟ʖ °͠ )_/¯

instincts probably

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:/vote dota

Larger thread presence =/= being overly self-aware but ignoring scumreads on you

okie dokie my bad on the ignoring part
i agree
i ain't ignoring them anymore
give me all of them
my body is ready

dota2reporter wrote:qva seems scummy to me

just jumped on my wagon for all the weird reasons

flake, jord and chemist all had good reasoning

dota2reporter wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:On chemist possibly being scum:

Chemist1422 wrote:This post is wolfy


Not necessarily, are people reading Debil's ISO or is it just me? Dota's question was perfectly fine, if anything, if both Dota and Debil were scum together, I'm pretty sure this would have either been deflected to somewhere else or it would have been turned on Flake.

i agree, idk where people see a debil&me scumteam

Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:The “lol” is tonally awkward, plus it entirely ignores the scumread on yourself in a frozen way


Ignoring people scumreading you isn't bad on D1, especially when the reasoning is actually garbage. And if you think Dota is scum for being tonally awkward then either you haven't played with dota or you're ignoring their town meta.

thanks but do you mean i'm always awkward lol

Chemist1422 wrote:Why were you worried about getting scumread?


However this is a valid point. I think Dota's reply is kind of weird given the reasoning I mentioned above. Dota shouldn't be getting worried about getting scumread. What pings me the most is the fact Chemist brought this up despite scumreading Dota. Hence why I have my doubts that Chemist is actually scum.

i'm scared of being scumread because i recently reread some of my 2015-17 games and the memories are not the best

Chemist1422 wrote:/vote dota

Larger thread presence =/= being overly self-aware but ignoring scumreads on you


I don't feel this vote was justified enough. I can see the reasoning behind it, I can't agree with it however.

i don't see much wrong with this vote. it added pressure on me

dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:@Flake uhh ok
what do you think about the people that jumped on?

probably 1 wolf within them

yep. i agree

one of chemist/heli/jord is scum

i'm betting it's heli

dota2reporter wrote:
TheDebil wrote:flake/qva/chemist/woahah

explain flake?

dota2reporter wrote:gonna iso chemist btw since flake requested

dota2reporter wrote:tbh after re-reading the post "Why were you worried about getting scumread?" seems weird
who wouldn't be worried about getting scumread

chemist should explain the accusation of the post about "lol what did debil do" a bit further so we can discuss it

"Larger thread presence =/= being overly self-aware but ignoring scumreads on you"
i wasn't ignoring them when they were combined with facts and evidence

dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:/vote Chemist

wasn't chemist on the bottom near the inactives on your reads list?
or is top = town and bottom = scum?

dota2reporter wrote:Chemist - The push on me was fine, i didn't like that he didn't add anything to the conversation after voting me
Question: can you provide a reads list?

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:@dota
I don’t get the basis of your scumread on me, I posted a couple times but they weren’t contentful because I didn’t have the time to make any reads or get drawn into an argument

it's a pressure scumread because i expect more from you

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:@dota
I don’t get the basis of your scumread on me, I posted a couple times but they weren’t contentful because I didn’t have the time to make any reads or get drawn into an argument

it's a pressure scumread because i expect more from you

Why does no one listen to me when I tell them not to do this

Plus the pressure is gone because you say it’s pressure

the pressure isn't gone until i see results

dota2reporter wrote:@chemist and qva take your time bruddas

dota2reporter wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:Chemist - The push on me was fine, i didn't like that he didn't add anything to the conversation after voting me
Question: can you provide a reads list?

that is all? maybe he is just busy lol

ye i explained my vote

dota2reporter wrote:and about chemist

i don't like how he's ignoring the pressure on him, so i'll vote him
/vote Chemist1422

dota2reporter wrote:ye, @Flake, why vote on exactly chemist?

dota2reporter wrote:people i'm fine with voting: heli, chemist, watchme

dota2reporter wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:literally everything

there's 42 pages and I have other stuff that I need to handle

what should I look into first

people's isos probably

i'd suggest ultii, waffle, eragon and chuckle

those are terrible picks

chuckle is the only one worth reading

those are the people that started posting more when chemist was offline

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
fwogcarf wrote:/vote Chemist

Sheep

true but is that all you have to say? fwog isn't following a bad wagon
Helicooler wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Ulti's heli read is shit

i 100% agree

and about chemist

i don't like how he's ignoring the pressure on him, so i'll vote him
/vote Chemist1422

wat

also i forgot that ive done some of this rip

what didn't you understand? i can explain

Chemist seemed to be pretty nervous with only 2 votes on him which isn't townie (i mean before fwog and heli jumped on)

dota2reporter wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Guys I think fwog flips scum the most out of all the players in scum pool here. Can we get a good wagon going?

/vote fwog

why do you prefer fwog over chemist?

dota2reporter wrote:Town [dota]
Townread [flake, dash2, mrchuckle]
Townlean [ultii, debil, grumpy]
Null town [qvapil, thewabbit, heli]
Null [non]
Null scum [watchme, eragon]
Scumlean [phone]
Scumread [chemist, fwog]
Scum []

subject to change once i analyse isos

dota2reporter wrote:i mean that could definetely be a bussing attempt from fwog but with that vote he's risking getting more scumread and pushing the chemist wagon even more.
maybe he's trying to make the chemist wagon look sheepy so that others jump off of it but it's unlikely

dota2reporter wrote:they also avoided reading each other
chemist said he doesn't want to meta-read fwog and fwog said he wants to see more from chemist

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:This is the fourth VFM in a row someone’s deathtunneled me in

At this point I should just stop playing VFM entirely

wait who's deathtunneling you

Flake

what? flake isn't deathtunneling at all
how did you come to that conclusion?

He’s responding to every post I make by calling me wolf or voting me

And you’re saying it’s not deathtunneling

flake is responding to everyone's posts

dota2reporter wrote:okay i'm fine with this, chemist's behaviour is way too weird

/vote chemist1422

Phone0lx
Spoiler:
Phone0Ix wrote:Btw Fwog why cant you read Wabbit and Chemist? I remember posts they made, and am even scumreading Wabbit

So they werent that inactive

Phone0Ix wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:/vote Chemist1422

finally switching because eragon is boring as fuck

How is this a good voteswitch post

Phone0Ix wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Phone why are you so focused on wabbit? Tell us your thoughts on watchme's wagon, and whether you'd support a chemist lynch

I townread Chemist atm so no.

Helicooler
Spoiler:
Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:/vote chemist

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

/vote Flake
I may really want to vote chemist but mafia29 will fuck you up

Helicooler wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Flake wrote:/vote chemist

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

/vote Flake

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

saw this as I was posting
mafia29 gang

Helicooler wrote:
TheDebil wrote:/vote chemist
town gang
you betrayed us

Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:everyone has to claim what faction they are in go

im in mafia29

also
/vote Chemist
yes

Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:conclusion one of dota and debil are a wolf and it's dota

Scum: Flake, Debil, Dota, Chemist

Helicooler wrote:
TheDebil wrote:i think helicooler and chemist are two scum

as long as chemist gets lynched first im good with this statement

Helicooler wrote:
fwogcarf wrote:And the streak continues, I've been scumread every single game.

I feel like a scum would say this
especcially one like chemist
and I see you w/ chemist alot
and also you seem like the chaotic type
therefore I'm reading you as a chemgoogle
so you are scummy but towny but leaning on scummy, making a ~fsts

Helicooler wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
fwogcarf wrote:/vote Chemist

Sheep

/vote Chemist

Sheep without expectations of anything higher
it's your turn
vote yourself

Helicooler wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:I'm slight townread Eragon because I don't think he has an agenda

Ultiix I'll compare to 17D for meta reasons

I saw the push on watch but don't have any meta on him so I can't confirm it, will go through his ISO in a vacuum now

Chuckle's ego stuff is annoying me so I'll get to that when I'm in a better mood

intresting that you're also going for the 17d qpproach. Not of much value right now, but might come in handy for me to note

Helicooler wrote:Chemist wagon shouldnt be a thing d1 with chemist being quite a neutral figure rn.
Helicooler wrote:
Dash2 wrote:This watchme wagon ain't pure

yup, but chemist doesnt look like a d1 lynch either.
TheWabbit wrote:/vote Chemist1422

finally switching because eragon is boring as fuck
for fuck sake am i going to have to choose between two shit wagons


also it could be that watchme wagon was formed by people eager to get out of no wagon hell, making it a really shit wagon with less scum than prior thought, making chemist wagon seem townie when watchme green flips. Because of this i believe both watchme and chemist are town.

what the fuck guys

Helicooler wrote:
Qvapil wrote:How would a green watchme make chemist town? I don't get it. Chemist is scummy independently of watchme's alignment

i dont see how chemist is scummy. watchme being green doesnt make chemist town, the outside factors around the two wagons do.

Helicooler wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
Flake wrote:chemist flips v probably. i'd rather a watchme lynch

werent you against a watchme lynch and for a chamist lynch
what changed

his reaction to being pushed is most likely real

Why would town!chemist not play the game tho
chemist has given up alot recently. I think this shit has finally caught up to him.

Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:
Helicooler wrote:Chemist wagon shouldnt be a thing d1 with chemist being quite a neutral figure rn.

that's exactly why they should be the wagon. almost all not neutral figures probably flip town, and it's abnormal for town!chemist to be so neutral here. chemist is blatantly acting like scared wolf and shows complete dissimilarity to when he gave up in vfm50 wherein he made aggressive comments nearing his lynch

i'm like pretty sure chemist would have shown some signs of anger by now if he were actually town, and i think the reason he isn't showing any signs of anger is because he knows we would be right to lynch him
neutral player isnt a d1 lynch

Helicooler wrote:4 minutes left?

hammertime.
/vote Chemist1422

my ocd tells me to do this on the hour for tothehour days and 2 minutes left now so

Qvapil
Spoiler:
Qvapil wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:conclusion one of dota and debil are a wolf and it's dota

Scum: Flake, Debil, Dota, Chemist

Can you explain? I think Flake is town, and probably chemist as well.

Qvapil wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:
-snip-

Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
TheDebil wrote:are you saying the read is correct

i wasn't implying the reads are wrong or true, i'm surprised how you all deduct this stuff this early

So is it wrong

does my answer really matter

@flake give me my scummiest post, i'm pumped

@chemist ye i slightly adjust my tone in fm from my posts in other threads so that it suits better, maybe that's why it sounds awkward
i gotta admit i did kinda ignore it becuase i was like "i'm fairly sure i'm getting scumread even more if i answer yes and no"

Why were you worried about getting scumread?


However this is a valid point. I think Dota's reply is kind of weird given the reasoning I mentioned above. Dota shouldn't be getting worried about getting scumread. What pings me the most is the fact Chemist brought this up despite scumreading Dota. Hence why I have my doubts that Chemist is actually scum.

Chemist1422 wrote:/vote dota

Larger thread presence =/= being overly self-aware but ignoring scumreads on you


I don't feel this vote was justified enough. I can see the reasoning behind it, I can't agree with it however.


Why would chemist not bring that up because they were scumreading dota? I don't understand what do you mean by that pinging you - did you find it towny or scummy?

I do agree with debil that for a D1 vote the reasoning was enough though

Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:flake/qva/chemist/woahah

Nice I'm townreading all my buddies

Qvapil wrote:I'll need more from chemist before I can decide. Their vote was quite quick but they did explain it and the game had just started to get out of meme phase so I like that chemist was serious there.

-also didn't react to my chemist scumread while responding to my readslist-
Qvapil wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Hi I gave up on catching up AMA

who is on your wolf team

s0me0ne, Ryan, and ZSS

Chemist still joking and refusing to try after all this time seems scummy.

Qvapil wrote:/vote Chemist

Qvapil wrote:I've never played with scum!chemist before but chemist has no content after SOD. Many things have happened but you refuse to do anything, unlike your town games.

Qvapil wrote:How would a green watchme make chemist town? I don't get it. Chemist is scummy independently of watchme's alignment

Qvapil wrote:
S0me0ne23 wrote:watchme1 | 5 | Debil, dota2reporter, Chemist, Goomba, Chuckle; Chemist | 3 | Flake, dash2, fwogcarf; Wabbit | 2 | watchme1, phone; debil | 2 | Eragon, Ultii; Eragon | 2 | Wabbit, Helicooler

I thought I was on chemist, no?
/vote chemist

Qvapil wrote:Why are y'all still discussing watchme when chemist is howling over here

Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
Flake wrote:chemist flips v probably. i'd rather a watchme lynch

werent you against a watchme lynch and for a chamist lynch
what changed

his reaction to being pushed is most likely real

Why would town!chemist not play the game tho

Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:qva really wants a chemist lynch
if watch flips scum im shooting qva
but probably still gonna shoot helicopter

the point of watchme knowing fwogs play falls flat but there are other accusations and im gonna trust those

/vote watchme

If we lynch chemist and he's v shoot watchme

Qvapil wrote:If I'm getting shot here's my reads
{Qva,flake,dota}
{Dash, heli, watchme, ulti, debil}
{Fwog, wabbit, chuckle, non}
{Era, goomba, phone}
{Chemist}

Dash2
Spoiler:
Dash2 wrote:I can honestly see chemist being town but I need to see more from him

Dash2 wrote:Flake have you considered none of your reads so far have been backed up by anything except your reaction tests

Like for example I haven't seen a single post from you explaining why chemist is mafia

Dash2 wrote:Chemist have you read the game at all

Dash2 wrote:Chemist's reads don't look natural

Dash2 wrote:/vote Chemist

Dash2 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:If chemist doesn't get lynched Qva better be the second option because this wagon traction on him says he's scum.

Can the vig seriously shoot fwog tonight

This part was referring to chemist mb

Eragon1329
Spoiler:
Eragon1329 wrote:[spoiler]
Flake wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:
S0me0ne23 wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:Pog


I’m busy for the next while

Hopefully be back today

I'm not resetting your prod timer for this.


I know

do you think chem is wolf


I dont know

fwogcarf wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
fwogcarf wrote:/vote Chemist

Sheep

/vote Chemist

Sheep without expectations of anything higher

Then don't make us scumread you


this should die

aaaaand that's it :/

xUltiix
Spoiler: none to be found
watchme1
Spoiler:
watchme1 wrote:
Helicooler wrote:Scum: Flake, Debil, Dota, Chemist

For Chemist, half his first posts have just been memey so I'll exclude those out. For the other half, his posts have contributed per say but not as much as flake for instance.

Chemist1422 wrote:/vote dota

Larger thread presence =/= being overly self-aware but ignoring scumreads on you


While this post may not seem to have much behind it at least he stated his reason to vote for dota so I can accept that.

watchme1 wrote:Also the chemist situation doesn't really make sense to me. He had some valid points early on making me have a slight town read on him and then he leaves with a joke post without saying much afterwards.

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MrChuckleteeth wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:conclusion one of dota and debil are a wolf and it's dota

Scum: Flake, Debil, Dota, Chemist


Tbh this might be extremely accurate but right now I wouldn't say Flake and Debil are necessarily being scummy, and I'd argue Chemist isn't that scummy either.

MrChuckleteeth wrote:On chemist possibly being scum:

Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:debil and dota are mafia

lol what did debil do

This post is wolfy


Not necessarily, are people reading Debil's ISO or is it just me? Dota's question was perfectly fine, if anything, if both Dota and Debil were scum together, I'm pretty sure this would have either been deflected to somewhere else or it would have been turned on Flake.

Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:debil and dota are mafia

lol what did debil do

This post is wolfy

what about it

The “lol” is tonally awkward, plus it entirely ignores the scumread on yourself in a frozen way


Ignoring people scumreading you isn't bad on D1, especially when the reasoning is actually garbage. And if you think Dota is scum for being tonally awkward then either you haven't played with dota or you're ignoring their town meta.

Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
TheDebil wrote:are you saying the read is correct

i wasn't implying the reads are wrong or true, i'm surprised how you all deduct this stuff this early

So is it wrong

does my answer really matter

@flake give me my scummiest post, i'm pumped

@chemist ye i slightly adjust my tone in fm from my posts in other threads so that it suits better, maybe that's why it sounds awkward
i gotta admit i did kinda ignore it becuase i was like "i'm fairly sure i'm getting scumread even more if i answer yes and no"

Why were you worried about getting scumread?


However this is a valid point. I think Dota's reply is kind of weird given the reasoning I mentioned above. Dota shouldn't be getting worried about getting scumread. What pings me the most is the fact Chemist brought this up despite scumreading Dota. Hence why I have my doubts that Chemist is actually scum.

Chemist1422 wrote:/vote dota

Larger thread presence =/= being overly self-aware but ignoring scumreads on you


I don't feel this vote was justified enough. I can see the reasoning behind it, I can't agree with it however.

MrChuckleteeth wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:Debil why do you think helicooler is scummy?

stated my initial reasoning but now i changed my mind
page 1 heli and chemsit interactions feel like they are both scum mirroring eachother and trying to pocket other people from helis server. then heli gives up and votes chemist for distance
its a bit far fetched but very likely.imo


Chemist is using weak reasoning to justify a vote on dota.

If they are distancing then good play by them, because it doesn't look that way to me.

MrChuckleteeth wrote:Dash2 and Qvapil scumreads, Chemist slight scumread. Be back later.

MrChuckleteeth wrote:
Flake wrote:chemist is scum

discuss


Already did.

MrChuckleteeth wrote:I feel like Chemist and Goomba’s votes are not really justified enough given the recent development with watchme.

So if anything I think those two are more likely to be scum in the wagon.

MrChuckleteeth wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:wasn't i as awkward when got pushed early d1?


You were awkward trying to explain yourself, Chemist is awkward trying to... not do anything.

MrChuckleteeth wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Because everything I do is being dismissed as “wolf flailing”


I mean what have you done this game? Usually you're much more straightforward with your reads and discuss openly, now you're constantly avoiding discussion and when you do discuss something you either dismiss it or pretend to not understand what is going on.

MrChuckleteeth wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:The lynch pool for me d1 is watchme, fwog and non. Idk if I can sell people on a non lynch but I am having some misgivings about the watchme wagon now... also I think if watchme flips town it is highly likely chemist flips scum because the counterwagon of chemist was perfectly timed to put a halt on the watchme wagon.


You'd rather lynch non and fwog over Chemist?

My lynch pool at the moment is watchme and Chemist.

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MrChuckleteeth wrote:On chemist possibly being scum:

Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:debil and dota are mafia

lol what did debil do

This post is wolfy


Not necessarily, are people reading Debil's ISO or is it just me? Dota's question was perfectly fine, if anything, if both Dota and Debil were scum together, I'm pretty sure this would have either been deflected to somewhere else or it would have been turned on Flake.

Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:debil and dota are mafia

lol what did debil do

This post is wolfy

what about it

The “lol” is tonally awkward, plus it entirely ignores the scumread on yourself in a frozen way


Ignoring people scumreading you isn't bad on D1, especially when the reasoning is actually garbage. And if you think Dota is scum for being tonally awkward then either you haven't played with dota or you're ignoring their town meta.

Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
TheDebil wrote:are you saying the read is correct

i wasn't implying the reads are wrong or true, i'm surprised how you all deduct this stuff this early

So is it wrong

does my answer really matter

@flake give me my scummiest post, i'm pumped

@chemist ye i slightly adjust my tone in fm from my posts in other threads so that it suits better, maybe that's why it sounds awkward
i gotta admit i did kinda ignore it becuase i was like "i'm fairly sure i'm getting scumread even more if i answer yes and no"

Why were you worried about getting scumread?


However this is a valid point. I think Dota's reply is kind of weird given the reasoning I mentioned above. Dota shouldn't be getting worried about getting scumread. What pings me the most is the fact Chemist brought this up despite scumreading Dota. Hence why I have my doubts that Chemist is actually scum.

Chemist1422 wrote:/vote dota

Larger thread presence =/= being overly self-aware but ignoring scumreads on you


I don't feel this vote was justified enough. I can see the reasoning behind it, I can't agree with it however.

And how does this make Chemist scum? Just because he doesn’t agree with you? That’s a really bad way to read someone.
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Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:@dota
I don’t get the basis of your scumread on me, I posted a couple times but they weren’t contentful because I didn’t have the time to make any reads or get drawn into an argument

it's a pressure scumread because i expect more from you

Why does no one listen to me when I tell them not to do this

Plus the pressure is gone because you say it’s pressure

because your posts look bland lol

TheWabbit wrote:
Dash2 wrote:This watchme wagon ain't pure

right after people cornered chemist

yes

TheWabbit wrote:/vote Chemist1422

finally switching because eragon is boring as fuck

TheWabbit wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:This post was made by Flake, who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.

/vote chemist1422
/vote chemist1422


town!chemist doesn't spite like this

TheWabbit wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:This is the fourth VFM in a row someone’s deathtunneled me in

At this point I should just stop playing VFM entirely

wait who's deathtunneling you

Flake

and you chose to completely disregard his push
spite them by saying you ignored them
then discredit them by exaggerating their push as deathtunnel

ok

TheWabbit wrote:chemist by saying we distance i didn't say you make yourself the d1 lynch

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GrumpyGoomba wrote:Chemist's accusations on dota felt a bit genuine so i am putting a really slight townread on them

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Also iirc chemist said they were busy but I can see where you are coming from.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Yeh I see now. Most of chemist's posts are NAI and they don't seem to be doing much to progress the game. Also I didn't find that post saying he was busy but I swear I saw something like that somewhere in the thread. Anyways yeah I'd like more of their thoughts on the game.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:My scumpool rn contains qva, watchme, fwog, non, possibly chemist and google.

I'm fine with reducing this pool for the time being.

/vote watchme1

GrumpyGoomba wrote:The lynch pool for me d1 is watchme, fwog and non. Idk if I can sell people on a non lynch but I am having some misgivings about the watchme wagon now... also I think if watchme flips town it is highly likely chemist flips scum because the counterwagon of chemist was perfectly timed to put a halt on the watchme wagon.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:I do find chemist scummy, but lynching watchme would resolve chemist imo. Fwog and non kinda went under radar due to the lead wagons which pinged me weirdly.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Fwog has just been posting fluff and complaining from what I can see in their iso. They are literally ignoring all the spicy stuff and responding to the futile shit that has no relevance to the current game state. From my pov it is as if fwog is afraid of forming connections with other players, which is a big scum indication for me. Also them jumping on chemists wagon was just ???
I mean I know chemist isn't a bad wagon but it looked as if fwog did it just because it wasn't a bad wagon to be on and nothing else.

I will do a chemist analysis soonish.

Question for all:- Do you think fwog and chemist could be possible scumteam?

GrumpyGoomba wrote:T Me
TR Dota, Wabbit, Dash
TL Chuckle, Flake
NT Debil, Ultii
N non, Google, Eragon
NS Phone, Chemist
SL Watchme1
SR Fwog
S

Hope didn't miss anybody this time.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Chem who death tunnelled you this time? Some of the arguments against you actually do carry logical weight.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:This is the fourth VFM in a row someone’s deathtunneled me in

At this point I should just stop playing VFM entirely


This seems like a weird AtE attempt to me, which is pretty out of character for chemist.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:This is the fourth VFM in a row someone’s deathtunneled me in

At this point I should just stop playing VFM entirely


This seems like a weird AtE attempt to me, which is pretty out of character for chemist.

nope this is not out of character at all.

Welp you have presumably played longer with chem than I have so you know better.

And finally, fwogcarf
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Dota wrote:Question: you do have something else to say. please share. no is not an acceptable answer

sigh

There definetley needs to be more content from Eragon, Wabbit, Phone, Chemist, and Ultiix, so I can't say anything about them right now

fwogcarf wrote:/vote Chemist

fwogcarf wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
fwogcarf wrote:/vote Chemist

Sheep

/vote Chemist

Sheep without expectations of anything higher

Then don't make us scumread you

fwogcarf wrote:/unvote
/vote watchme

Let's sheep and see where that takes me


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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby TheDebil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:05 am

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Do I have to colour in my posts in memephase so you can distinguish when I'm joking or not? I spent over 24h during D1 explaining my early posts, yet here we are again. Dota claimed scum obviously as a joke, I didn't think he was scum yet. Even though I said "he already claimed scum". That was a joke. Dota joked. I joked with him. Okay? And my vote on debil was on like page 2-3 of the game. How is it so hard to understand that I didn't seriously scumread him?

Also anyone thinking I could be scum with chemist should read through D1 again. I was the first vote on chemist (even though s0me0ne missed it) and stayed there during all the changes that happened. Do you really think I'd bus that hard? I've only played as mafia once, it's way more likely I'd be the bussee than the busser. I also sheeped flake all D1, giving me a solid excuse to follow his lead on watchme when he changed his mind, yet that was the only time where I actually went against his opinion and kept pushing chemist instead. Besides, assuming flake was a mafia kill, why would scum!me, after commiting to a hard chemist bus, agree to kill one of the most townread and loud people who thought I was locktown? That negates the whole point of the bus chemist play.

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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:05 am

Actually nvm everybody is in there you just fkd up the tags xD
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby TheDebil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:06 am

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I feel left out...

once again you prove that you arent reading the game
you are in non's
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby Qvapil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:07 am

TheDebil wrote:
Kmenx wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
Dash2 wrote:watchme is also confirmed town with Chemist's flip

why is he
both of the people defending chemist the most are town

do you know what a ''counter wagon'' is

and? if watch was the one flipped and he were scum chemist would be confirmed
as long as town initiated the counterwagon the last 2 scum can jump where they feel makes them look better


There were many people commenting about switching to fwog but nothing really happened there. Phone, goomba, chemist iirc maybe more I have to check. If both chemist and watchme were scum, scum would try to divert onto fwog. It wouldn't be so hard. Also wabbit was against the fwog push yesterday so town points there.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:07 am

TheDebil wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
I feel left out...

once again you prove that you arent reading the game
you are in non's


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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby TheDebil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:08 am

Qvapil wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:Chemist/Qvapil/TheDebil/xUltiix scumteam.

GG I just gamesolved.

Ulti deathtunneling Debil isn't SvS


It's never SvS until it is.

In what world does scum bus their partner to the point of hardly focusing on anyone else


In the world where everyone ignored ultii's push.

its still not a bus
who makes their only push on a buddy
no one can predict someone reading, not reading a push, this point makes no sense
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby dota2reporter » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:09 am

!!! literally every alive player's posts related to chemist from day 1 !!! (fixed)


TheDebil
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TheDebil wrote:/vote chemist
town gang

TheDebil wrote:i think helicooler and chemist are two scum

TheDebil wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:Debil why do you think helicooler is scummy?

stated my initial reasoning but now i changed my mind
page 1 heli and chemsit interactions feel like they are both scum mirroring eachother and trying to pocket other people from helis server. then heli gives up and votes chemist for distance
its a bit far fetched but very likely.imo

TheDebil wrote:i dont agree with the chemist read
i as town shit my pants more about being scumread than anything else

TheDebil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:i dont agree with the chemist read
i as town shit my pants more about being scumread than anything else

chemists push seems entirely normal to me and for early game thare is enough reason to make it
what is suspicious is chemists memephase talk, atleast to me

TheDebil wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:Debil why do you think helicooler is scummy?

stated my initial reasoning but now i changed my mind
page 1 heli and chemsit interactions feel like they are both scum mirroring eachother and trying to pocket other people from helis server. then heli gives up and votes chemist for distance
its a bit far fetched but very likely.imo


Chemist is using weak reasoning to justify a vote on dota.

If they are distancing then good play by them, because it doesn't look that way to me.

isnt that pretty much everyones who sr dota reasoning
how is chemist any different for you

TheDebil wrote:flake/qva/chemist/woahah

TheDebil wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:Chemist - The push on me was fine, i didn't like that he didn't add anything to the conversation after voting me
Question: can you provide a reads list?

that is all? maybe he is just busy lol

TheDebil wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:@dota
I don’t get the basis of your scumread on me, I posted a couple times but they weren’t contentful because I didn’t have the time to make any reads or get drawn into an argument

it's a pressure scumread because i expect more from you

Why does no one listen to me when I tell them not to do this

Plus the pressure is gone because you say it’s pressure

you are notified there is pressure and now the pressure comes into full swing
you now know something is expected of you, instead of there being a simple scumread

TheDebil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:im off for now
forcing myself to iso dive dash and wabbit later with this message

oh and heli and chemist

TheDebil wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:This is the fourth VFM in a row someone’s deathtunneled me in

At this point I should just stop playing VFM entirely


This seems like a weird AtE attempt to me, which is pretty out of character for chemist.

nope this is not out of character at all.

TheDebil wrote:
Flake wrote:chemist flips v probably. i'd rather a watchme lynch

werent you against a watchme lynch and for a chamist lynch
what changed

TheDebil wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:This is the fourth VFM in a row someone’s deathtunneled me in

At this point I should just stop playing VFM entirely


This seems like a weird AtE attempt to me, which is pretty out of character for chemist.

nope this is not out of character at all.

Welp you have presumably played longer with chem than I have so you know better. Anyways would you mind explaining your naked vote on me?

yeah he absolutely hate being scumread and pushed on

TheDebil wrote:qva really wants a chemist lynch

TheDebil wrote:or did chemist give up hmm

TheDebil wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:qva really wants a chemist lynch
if watch flips scum im shooting qva
but probably still gonna shoot helicopter

the point of watchme knowing fwogs play falls flat but there are other accusations and im gonna trust those

/vote watchme

If we lynch chemist and he's v shoot watchme

i think they probably both flip town so i wont

TheDebil wrote:
Dash2 wrote:>watchme wagon builds up too quickly
>counterwagon on chemist just barely makes it before people want to switch back

seriously watchme is town here

chemist is too
but no one wants qva

TheDebil wrote:
Dash2 wrote:how do you not understand watchme is town by how fast the wagon picked up

flake even you should understand this and the fact you're still going with this tells that you're scum

why not me i think both wagons flip town but still vote watchme

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Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:also please let's not mislynch three times in a row like in that one game

Let’s mislynch four times in a row while having the vig shoot all the scum

Because it’s funny

good plan i'm signing up

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Rand this man vig every game tbh

even in games where vig doesn't exist SeemsGood

dota2reporter wrote:ok heli and chemist you can reveal now

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:debil and dota are mafia

lol what did debil do

This post is wolfy

what about it

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
TheDebil wrote:are you saying the read is correct

i wasn't implying the reads are wrong or true, i'm surprised how you all deduct this stuff this early

So is it wrong

does my answer really matter

@chemist ye i slightly adjust my tone in fm from my posts in other threads so that it suits better, maybe that's why it sounds awkward
i gotta admit i did kinda ignore it becuase i was like "i'm fairly sure i'm getting scumread even more if i answer yes and no"

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Why were you worried about getting scumread?

¯\_( ͠° ͟ʖ °͠ )_/¯

instincts probably

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:/vote dota

Larger thread presence =/= being overly self-aware but ignoring scumreads on you

okie dokie my bad on the ignoring part
i agree
i ain't ignoring them anymore
give me all of them
my body is ready

dota2reporter wrote:qva seems scummy to me

just jumped on my wagon for all the weird reasons

flake, jord and chemist all had good reasoning

dota2reporter wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:On chemist possibly being scum:

Chemist1422 wrote:This post is wolfy


Not necessarily, are people reading Debil's ISO or is it just me? Dota's question was perfectly fine, if anything, if both Dota and Debil were scum together, I'm pretty sure this would have either been deflected to somewhere else or it would have been turned on Flake.

i agree, idk where people see a debil&me scumteam

Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:The “lol” is tonally awkward, plus it entirely ignores the scumread on yourself in a frozen way


Ignoring people scumreading you isn't bad on D1, especially when the reasoning is actually garbage. And if you think Dota is scum for being tonally awkward then either you haven't played with dota or you're ignoring their town meta.

thanks but do you mean i'm always awkward lol

Chemist1422 wrote:Why were you worried about getting scumread?


However this is a valid point. I think Dota's reply is kind of weird given the reasoning I mentioned above. Dota shouldn't be getting worried about getting scumread. What pings me the most is the fact Chemist brought this up despite scumreading Dota. Hence why I have my doubts that Chemist is actually scum.

i'm scared of being scumread because i recently reread some of my 2015-17 games and the memories are not the best

Chemist1422 wrote:/vote dota

Larger thread presence =/= being overly self-aware but ignoring scumreads on you


I don't feel this vote was justified enough. I can see the reasoning behind it, I can't agree with it however.

i don't see much wrong with this vote. it added pressure on me

dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:@Flake uhh ok
what do you think about the people that jumped on?

probably 1 wolf within them

yep. i agree

one of chemist/heli/jord is scum

i'm betting it's heli

dota2reporter wrote:
TheDebil wrote:flake/qva/chemist/woahah

explain flake?

dota2reporter wrote:gonna iso chemist btw since flake requested

dota2reporter wrote:tbh after re-reading the post "Why were you worried about getting scumread?" seems weird
who wouldn't be worried about getting scumread

chemist should explain the accusation of the post about "lol what did debil do" a bit further so we can discuss it

"Larger thread presence =/= being overly self-aware but ignoring scumreads on you"
i wasn't ignoring them when they were combined with facts and evidence

dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:/vote Chemist

wasn't chemist on the bottom near the inactives on your reads list?
or is top = town and bottom = scum?

dota2reporter wrote:Chemist - The push on me was fine, i didn't like that he didn't add anything to the conversation after voting me
Question: can you provide a reads list?

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:@dota
I don’t get the basis of your scumread on me, I posted a couple times but they weren’t contentful because I didn’t have the time to make any reads or get drawn into an argument

it's a pressure scumread because i expect more from you

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:@dota
I don’t get the basis of your scumread on me, I posted a couple times but they weren’t contentful because I didn’t have the time to make any reads or get drawn into an argument

it's a pressure scumread because i expect more from you

Why does no one listen to me when I tell them not to do this

Plus the pressure is gone because you say it’s pressure

the pressure isn't gone until i see results

dota2reporter wrote:@chemist and qva take your time bruddas

dota2reporter wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:Chemist - The push on me was fine, i didn't like that he didn't add anything to the conversation after voting me
Question: can you provide a reads list?

that is all? maybe he is just busy lol

ye i explained my vote

dota2reporter wrote:and about chemist

i don't like how he's ignoring the pressure on him, so i'll vote him
/vote Chemist1422

dota2reporter wrote:ye, @Flake, why vote on exactly chemist?

dota2reporter wrote:people i'm fine with voting: heli, chemist, watchme

dota2reporter wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:literally everything

there's 42 pages and I have other stuff that I need to handle

what should I look into first

people's isos probably

i'd suggest ultii, waffle, eragon and chuckle

those are terrible picks

chuckle is the only one worth reading

those are the people that started posting more when chemist was offline

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
fwogcarf wrote:/vote Chemist

Sheep

true but is that all you have to say? fwog isn't following a bad wagon
Helicooler wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Ulti's heli read is shit

i 100% agree

and about chemist

i don't like how he's ignoring the pressure on him, so i'll vote him
/vote Chemist1422

wat

also i forgot that ive done some of this rip

what didn't you understand? i can explain

Chemist seemed to be pretty nervous with only 2 votes on him which isn't townie (i mean before fwog and heli jumped on)

dota2reporter wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Guys I think fwog flips scum the most out of all the players in scum pool here. Can we get a good wagon going?

/vote fwog

why do you prefer fwog over chemist?

dota2reporter wrote:Town [dota]
Townread [flake, dash2, mrchuckle]
Townlean [ultii, debil, grumpy]
Null town [qvapil, thewabbit, heli]
Null [non]
Null scum [watchme, eragon]
Scumlean [phone]
Scumread [chemist, fwog]
Scum []

subject to change once i analyse isos

dota2reporter wrote:i mean that could definetely be a bussing attempt from fwog but with that vote he's risking getting more scumread and pushing the chemist wagon even more.
maybe he's trying to make the chemist wagon look sheepy so that others jump off of it but it's unlikely

dota2reporter wrote:they also avoided reading each other
chemist said he doesn't want to meta-read fwog and fwog said he wants to see more from chemist

dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:This is the fourth VFM in a row someone’s deathtunneled me in

At this point I should just stop playing VFM entirely

wait who's deathtunneling you

Flake

what? flake isn't deathtunneling at all
how did you come to that conclusion?

He’s responding to every post I make by calling me wolf or voting me

And you’re saying it’s not deathtunneling

flake is responding to everyone's posts

dota2reporter wrote:okay i'm fine with this, chemist's behaviour is way too weird

/vote chemist1422

Phone0lx
Spoiler:
Phone0Ix wrote:Btw Fwog why cant you read Wabbit and Chemist? I remember posts they made, and am even scumreading Wabbit

So they werent that inactive

Phone0Ix wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:/vote Chemist1422

finally switching because eragon is boring as fuck

How is this a good voteswitch post

Phone0Ix wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Phone why are you so focused on wabbit? Tell us your thoughts on watchme's wagon, and whether you'd support a chemist lynch

I townread Chemist atm so no.

Helicooler
Spoiler:
Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:/vote chemist

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

/vote Flake
I may really want to vote chemist but mafia29 will fuck you up

Helicooler wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Flake wrote:/vote chemist

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

/vote Flake

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

saw this as I was posting
mafia29 gang

Helicooler wrote:
TheDebil wrote:/vote chemist
town gang
you betrayed us

Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:everyone has to claim what faction they are in go

im in mafia29

also
/vote Chemist
yes

Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:conclusion one of dota and debil are a wolf and it's dota

Scum: Flake, Debil, Dota, Chemist

Helicooler wrote:
TheDebil wrote:i think helicooler and chemist are two scum

as long as chemist gets lynched first im good with this statement

Helicooler wrote:
fwogcarf wrote:And the streak continues, I've been scumread every single game.

I feel like a scum would say this
especcially one like chemist
and I see you w/ chemist alot
and also you seem like the chaotic type
therefore I'm reading you as a chemgoogle
so you are scummy but towny but leaning on scummy, making a ~fsts

Helicooler wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
fwogcarf wrote:/vote Chemist

Sheep

/vote Chemist

Sheep without expectations of anything higher
it's your turn
vote yourself

Helicooler wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:I'm slight townread Eragon because I don't think he has an agenda

Ultiix I'll compare to 17D for meta reasons

I saw the push on watch but don't have any meta on him so I can't confirm it, will go through his ISO in a vacuum now

Chuckle's ego stuff is annoying me so I'll get to that when I'm in a better mood

intresting that you're also going for the 17d qpproach. Not of much value right now, but might come in handy for me to note

Helicooler wrote:Chemist wagon shouldnt be a thing d1 with chemist being quite a neutral figure rn.
Helicooler wrote:
Dash2 wrote:This watchme wagon ain't pure

yup, but chemist doesnt look like a d1 lynch either.
TheWabbit wrote:/vote Chemist1422

finally switching because eragon is boring as fuck
for fuck sake am i going to have to choose between two shit wagons


also it could be that watchme wagon was formed by people eager to get out of no wagon hell, making it a really shit wagon with less scum than prior thought, making chemist wagon seem townie when watchme green flips. Because of this i believe both watchme and chemist are town.

what the fuck guys

Helicooler wrote:
Qvapil wrote:How would a green watchme make chemist town? I don't get it. Chemist is scummy independently of watchme's alignment

i dont see how chemist is scummy. watchme being green doesnt make chemist town, the outside factors around the two wagons do.

Helicooler wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
Flake wrote:chemist flips v probably. i'd rather a watchme lynch

werent you against a watchme lynch and for a chamist lynch
what changed

his reaction to being pushed is most likely real

Why would town!chemist not play the game tho
chemist has given up alot recently. I think this shit has finally caught up to him.

Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:
Helicooler wrote:Chemist wagon shouldnt be a thing d1 with chemist being quite a neutral figure rn.

that's exactly why they should be the wagon. almost all not neutral figures probably flip town, and it's abnormal for town!chemist to be so neutral here. chemist is blatantly acting like scared wolf and shows complete dissimilarity to when he gave up in vfm50 wherein he made aggressive comments nearing his lynch

i'm like pretty sure chemist would have shown some signs of anger by now if he were actually town, and i think the reason he isn't showing any signs of anger is because he knows we would be right to lynch him
neutral player isnt a d1 lynch

Helicooler wrote:4 minutes left?

hammertime.
/vote Chemist1422

my ocd tells me to do this on the hour for tothehour days and 2 minutes left now so

Qvapil
Spoiler:
Qvapil wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:conclusion one of dota and debil are a wolf and it's dota

Scum: Flake, Debil, Dota, Chemist

Can you explain? I think Flake is town, and probably chemist as well.

Qvapil wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:
-snip-

Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
TheDebil wrote:are you saying the read is correct

i wasn't implying the reads are wrong or true, i'm surprised how you all deduct this stuff this early

So is it wrong

does my answer really matter

@flake give me my scummiest post, i'm pumped

@chemist ye i slightly adjust my tone in fm from my posts in other threads so that it suits better, maybe that's why it sounds awkward
i gotta admit i did kinda ignore it becuase i was like "i'm fairly sure i'm getting scumread even more if i answer yes and no"

Why were you worried about getting scumread?


However this is a valid point. I think Dota's reply is kind of weird given the reasoning I mentioned above. Dota shouldn't be getting worried about getting scumread. What pings me the most is the fact Chemist brought this up despite scumreading Dota. Hence why I have my doubts that Chemist is actually scum.

Chemist1422 wrote:/vote dota

Larger thread presence =/= being overly self-aware but ignoring scumreads on you


I don't feel this vote was justified enough. I can see the reasoning behind it, I can't agree with it however.


Why would chemist not bring that up because they were scumreading dota? I don't understand what do you mean by that pinging you - did you find it towny or scummy?

I do agree with debil that for a D1 vote the reasoning was enough though

Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:flake/qva/chemist/woahah

Nice I'm townreading all my buddies

Qvapil wrote:I'll need more from chemist before I can decide. Their vote was quite quick but they did explain it and the game had just started to get out of meme phase so I like that chemist was serious there.

-also didn't react to my chemist scumread while responding to my readslist-
Qvapil wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Hi I gave up on catching up AMA

who is on your wolf team

s0me0ne, Ryan, and ZSS

Chemist still joking and refusing to try after all this time seems scummy.

Qvapil wrote:/vote Chemist

Qvapil wrote:I've never played with scum!chemist before but chemist has no content after SOD. Many things have happened but you refuse to do anything, unlike your town games.

Qvapil wrote:How would a green watchme make chemist town? I don't get it. Chemist is scummy independently of watchme's alignment

Qvapil wrote:
S0me0ne23 wrote:watchme1 | 5 | Debil, dota2reporter, Chemist, Goomba, Chuckle; Chemist | 3 | Flake, dash2, fwogcarf; Wabbit | 2 | watchme1, phone; debil | 2 | Eragon, Ultii; Eragon | 2 | Wabbit, Helicooler

I thought I was on chemist, no?
/vote chemist

Qvapil wrote:Why are y'all still discussing watchme when chemist is howling over here

Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
Flake wrote:chemist flips v probably. i'd rather a watchme lynch

werent you against a watchme lynch and for a chamist lynch
what changed

his reaction to being pushed is most likely real

Why would town!chemist not play the game tho

Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:qva really wants a chemist lynch
if watch flips scum im shooting qva
but probably still gonna shoot helicopter

the point of watchme knowing fwogs play falls flat but there are other accusations and im gonna trust those

/vote watchme

If we lynch chemist and he's v shoot watchme

Qvapil wrote:If I'm getting shot here's my reads
{Qva,flake,dota}
{Dash, heli, watchme, ulti, debil}
{Fwog, wabbit, chuckle, non}
{Era, goomba, phone}
{Chemist}

Dash2
Spoiler:
Dash2 wrote:I can honestly see chemist being town but I need to see more from him

Dash2 wrote:Flake have you considered none of your reads so far have been backed up by anything except your reaction tests

Like for example I haven't seen a single post from you explaining why chemist is mafia

Dash2 wrote:Chemist have you read the game at all

Dash2 wrote:Chemist's reads don't look natural

Dash2 wrote:/vote Chemist

Dash2 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:If chemist doesn't get lynched Qva better be the second option because this wagon traction on him says he's scum.

Can the vig seriously shoot fwog tonight

This part was referring to chemist mb

Eragon1329
Spoiler:
Eragon1329 wrote:[spoiler]
Flake wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:
S0me0ne23 wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:Pog


I’m busy for the next while

Hopefully be back today

I'm not resetting your prod timer for this.


I know

do you think chem is wolf


I dont know

fwogcarf wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
fwogcarf wrote:/vote Chemist

Sheep

/vote Chemist

Sheep without expectations of anything higher

Then don't make us scumread you


this should die

aaaaand that's it :/

xUltiix
Spoiler: none to be found
watchme1
Spoiler:
watchme1 wrote:
Helicooler wrote:Scum: Flake, Debil, Dota, Chemist

For Chemist, half his first posts have just been memey so I'll exclude those out. For the other half, his posts have contributed per say but not as much as flake for instance.

Chemist1422 wrote:/vote dota

Larger thread presence =/= being overly self-aware but ignoring scumreads on you


While this post may not seem to have much behind it at least he stated his reason to vote for dota so I can accept that.

watchme1 wrote:Also the chemist situation doesn't really make sense to me. He had some valid points early on making me have a slight town read on him and then he leaves with a joke post without saying much afterwards.

MrChuckleTeeth
Spoiler:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:conclusion one of dota and debil are a wolf and it's dota

Scum: Flake, Debil, Dota, Chemist


Tbh this might be extremely accurate but right now I wouldn't say Flake and Debil are necessarily being scummy, and I'd argue Chemist isn't that scummy either.

MrChuckleteeth wrote:On chemist possibly being scum:

Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:debil and dota are mafia

lol what did debil do

This post is wolfy


Not necessarily, are people reading Debil's ISO or is it just me? Dota's question was perfectly fine, if anything, if both Dota and Debil were scum together, I'm pretty sure this would have either been deflected to somewhere else or it would have been turned on Flake.

Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:debil and dota are mafia

lol what did debil do

This post is wolfy

what about it

The “lol” is tonally awkward, plus it entirely ignores the scumread on yourself in a frozen way


Ignoring people scumreading you isn't bad on D1, especially when the reasoning is actually garbage. And if you think Dota is scum for being tonally awkward then either you haven't played with dota or you're ignoring their town meta.

Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
TheDebil wrote:are you saying the read is correct

i wasn't implying the reads are wrong or true, i'm surprised how you all deduct this stuff this early

So is it wrong

does my answer really matter

@flake give me my scummiest post, i'm pumped

@chemist ye i slightly adjust my tone in fm from my posts in other threads so that it suits better, maybe that's why it sounds awkward
i gotta admit i did kinda ignore it becuase i was like "i'm fairly sure i'm getting scumread even more if i answer yes and no"

Why were you worried about getting scumread?


However this is a valid point. I think Dota's reply is kind of weird given the reasoning I mentioned above. Dota shouldn't be getting worried about getting scumread. What pings me the most is the fact Chemist brought this up despite scumreading Dota. Hence why I have my doubts that Chemist is actually scum.

Chemist1422 wrote:/vote dota

Larger thread presence =/= being overly self-aware but ignoring scumreads on you


I don't feel this vote was justified enough. I can see the reasoning behind it, I can't agree with it however.

MrChuckleteeth wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:Debil why do you think helicooler is scummy?

stated my initial reasoning but now i changed my mind
page 1 heli and chemsit interactions feel like they are both scum mirroring eachother and trying to pocket other people from helis server. then heli gives up and votes chemist for distance
its a bit far fetched but very likely.imo


Chemist is using weak reasoning to justify a vote on dota.

If they are distancing then good play by them, because it doesn't look that way to me.

MrChuckleteeth wrote:Dash2 and Qvapil scumreads, Chemist slight scumread. Be back later.

MrChuckleteeth wrote:
Flake wrote:chemist is scum

discuss


Already did.

MrChuckleteeth wrote:I feel like Chemist and Goomba’s votes are not really justified enough given the recent development with watchme.

So if anything I think those two are more likely to be scum in the wagon.

MrChuckleteeth wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:wasn't i as awkward when got pushed early d1?


You were awkward trying to explain yourself, Chemist is awkward trying to... not do anything.

MrChuckleteeth wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Because everything I do is being dismissed as “wolf flailing”


I mean what have you done this game? Usually you're much more straightforward with your reads and discuss openly, now you're constantly avoiding discussion and when you do discuss something you either dismiss it or pretend to not understand what is going on.

MrChuckleteeth wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:The lynch pool for me d1 is watchme, fwog and non. Idk if I can sell people on a non lynch but I am having some misgivings about the watchme wagon now... also I think if watchme flips town it is highly likely chemist flips scum because the counterwagon of chemist was perfectly timed to put a halt on the watchme wagon.


You'd rather lynch non and fwog over Chemist?

My lynch pool at the moment is watchme and Chemist.

non271103
Spoiler:
non271103 wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:On chemist possibly being scum:

Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:debil and dota are mafia

lol what did debil do

This post is wolfy


Not necessarily, are people reading Debil's ISO or is it just me? Dota's question was perfectly fine, if anything, if both Dota and Debil were scum together, I'm pretty sure this would have either been deflected to somewhere else or it would have been turned on Flake.

Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:debil and dota are mafia

lol what did debil do

This post is wolfy

what about it

The “lol” is tonally awkward, plus it entirely ignores the scumread on yourself in a frozen way


Ignoring people scumreading you isn't bad on D1, especially when the reasoning is actually garbage. And if you think Dota is scum for being tonally awkward then either you haven't played with dota or you're ignoring their town meta.

Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
TheDebil wrote:are you saying the read is correct

i wasn't implying the reads are wrong or true, i'm surprised how you all deduct this stuff this early

So is it wrong

does my answer really matter

@flake give me my scummiest post, i'm pumped

@chemist ye i slightly adjust my tone in fm from my posts in other threads so that it suits better, maybe that's why it sounds awkward
i gotta admit i did kinda ignore it becuase i was like "i'm fairly sure i'm getting scumread even more if i answer yes and no"

Why were you worried about getting scumread?


However this is a valid point. I think Dota's reply is kind of weird given the reasoning I mentioned above. Dota shouldn't be getting worried about getting scumread. What pings me the most is the fact Chemist brought this up despite scumreading Dota. Hence why I have my doubts that Chemist is actually scum.

Chemist1422 wrote:/vote dota

Larger thread presence =/= being overly self-aware but ignoring scumreads on you


I don't feel this vote was justified enough. I can see the reasoning behind it, I can't agree with it however.

And how does this make Chemist scum? Just because he doesn’t agree with you? That’s a really bad way to read someone.

TheWabbit
Spoiler:
TheWabbit wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:@dota
I don’t get the basis of your scumread on me, I posted a couple times but they weren’t contentful because I didn’t have the time to make any reads or get drawn into an argument

it's a pressure scumread because i expect more from you

Why does no one listen to me when I tell them not to do this

Plus the pressure is gone because you say it’s pressure

because your posts look bland lol

TheWabbit wrote:
Dash2 wrote:This watchme wagon ain't pure

right after people cornered chemist

yes

TheWabbit wrote:/vote Chemist1422

finally switching because eragon is boring as fuck

TheWabbit wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:This post was made by Flake, who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.

/vote chemist1422
/vote chemist1422


town!chemist doesn't spite like this

TheWabbit wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:This is the fourth VFM in a row someone’s deathtunneled me in

At this point I should just stop playing VFM entirely

wait who's deathtunneling you

Flake

and you chose to completely disregard his push
spite them by saying you ignored them
then discredit them by exaggerating their push as deathtunnel

ok

TheWabbit wrote:chemist by saying we distance i didn't say you make yourself the d1 lynch

GrumpyGoomba
Spoiler:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Chemist's accusations on dota felt a bit genuine so i am putting a really slight townread on them

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Also iirc chemist said they were busy but I can see where you are coming from.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Yeh I see now. Most of chemist's posts are NAI and they don't seem to be doing much to progress the game. Also I didn't find that post saying he was busy but I swear I saw something like that somewhere in the thread. Anyways yeah I'd like more of their thoughts on the game.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:My scumpool rn contains qva, watchme, fwog, non, possibly chemist and google.

I'm fine with reducing this pool for the time being.

/vote watchme1

GrumpyGoomba wrote:The lynch pool for me d1 is watchme, fwog and non. Idk if I can sell people on a non lynch but I am having some misgivings about the watchme wagon now... also I think if watchme flips town it is highly likely chemist flips scum because the counterwagon of chemist was perfectly timed to put a halt on the watchme wagon.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:I do find chemist scummy, but lynching watchme would resolve chemist imo. Fwog and non kinda went under radar due to the lead wagons which pinged me weirdly.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Fwog has just been posting fluff and complaining from what I can see in their iso. They are literally ignoring all the spicy stuff and responding to the futile shit that has no relevance to the current game state. From my pov it is as if fwog is afraid of forming connections with other players, which is a big scum indication for me. Also them jumping on chemists wagon was just ???
I mean I know chemist isn't a bad wagon but it looked as if fwog did it just because it wasn't a bad wagon to be on and nothing else.

I will do a chemist analysis soonish.

Question for all:- Do you think fwog and chemist could be possible scumteam?

GrumpyGoomba wrote:T Me
TR Dota, Wabbit, Dash
TL Chuckle, Flake
NT Debil, Ultii
N non, Google, Eragon
NS Phone, Chemist
SL Watchme1
SR Fwog
S

Hope didn't miss anybody this time.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Chem who death tunnelled you this time? Some of the arguments against you actually do carry logical weight.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:This is the fourth VFM in a row someone’s deathtunneled me in

At this point I should just stop playing VFM entirely


This seems like a weird AtE attempt to me, which is pretty out of character for chemist.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:This is the fourth VFM in a row someone’s deathtunneled me in

At this point I should just stop playing VFM entirely


This seems like a weird AtE attempt to me, which is pretty out of character for chemist.

nope this is not out of character at all.

Welp you have presumably played longer with chem than I have so you know better.

And finally, fwogcarf
Spoiler:
fwogcarf wrote:
Dota wrote:Question: you do have something else to say. please share. no is not an acceptable answer

sigh

There definetley needs to be more content from Eragon, Wabbit, Phone, Chemist, and Ultiix, so I can't say anything about them right now

fwogcarf wrote:/vote Chemist

fwogcarf wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
fwogcarf wrote:/vote Chemist

Sheep

/vote Chemist

Sheep without expectations of anything higher

Then don't make us scumread you

fwogcarf wrote:/unvote
/vote watchme

Let's sheep and see where that takes me
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

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Dota I'm impressed by your compilation lol you must have too much free time
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby TheDebil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:12 am

Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
Kmenx wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
Dash2 wrote:watchme is also confirmed town with Chemist's flip

why is he
both of the people defending chemist the most are town

do you know what a ''counter wagon'' is

and? if watch was the one flipped and he were scum chemist would be confirmed
as long as town initiated the counterwagon the last 2 scum can jump where they feel makes them look better


There were many people commenting about switching to fwog but nothing really happened there. Phone, goomba, chemist iirc maybe more I have to check. If both chemist and watchme were scum, scum would try to divert onto fwog. It wouldn't be so hard. Also wabbit was against the fwog push yesterday so town points there.

ok fair but i wouldnt.lock him yet. might be possible that scum might not have wanted to initiate the push on him and nothing happened in the end. also scum might have fully expected a shot on fwog/and vice versa if fwog got lynched. its not an impossible scenario
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Postby TheDebil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:13 am

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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:17 am

dota2reporter wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:Debil why do you think helicooler is scummy?

stated my initial reasoning but now i changed my mind
page 1 heli and chemsit interactions feel like they are both scum mirroring eachother and trying to pocket other people from helis server. then heli gives up and votes chemist for distance
its a bit far fetched but very likely.imo


Chemist is using weak reasoning to justify a vote on dota.

If they are distancing then good play by them, because it doesn't look that way to me.

isnt that pretty much everyones who sr dota reasoning
how is chemist any different for you

if debil flips scum everyone who pushed me d1 may be town

Uhh why? And who is everyone
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby Qvapil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:18 am

dota2reporter wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:before the chemist flip i had a tinfoil theory of ultii + debil scumteam

maybe it's true after all

btw i'll make a post of each alive player mentioning chemist

All ultiix did though was push debil. That push went nowhere though and ultiix avoided the major wagons iirc so I can see them being scum.

that perfectly fits the definition of distancing

I know, I agree with you on ultii
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby Qvapil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:24 am

Chuckle enters the game defending chemist but on his next post scumreads them? Though what scum would even do that. Also chuckle unvoted off chemist's counterwagon even though he had decent reasons to vote watchme so thats a town.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby dota2reporter » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:25 am

Qvapil wrote:Dota I'm impressed by your compilation lol you must have too much free time

yes that's exactly the case

since i'm not the best at reading i might as well give all the resources i can to other townies

@Qva i'll explain later but it's gut, everyone is dash and heli
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby Qvapil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:28 am

dota2reporter wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Dota I'm impressed by your compilation lol you must have too much free time

yes that's exactly the case

since i'm not the best at reading i might as well give all the resources i can to other townies

@Qva i'll explain later but it's gut, everyone is dash and heli

Oh okay. I think they're town too though so no pressure.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby Qvapil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:37 am

Debil ultii appeared when the wagons were chemist:4 vs watchme:5 and pushed debil without commenting on either watchme or chemist.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby dota2reporter » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:38 am

omg qva&debil scumteam is so realistic

TheDebil wrote:flake/qva/chemist/woahah

start of distancing from qva (qva was never previously mentioned beforehand)

Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:flake/qva/chemist/woahah

Nice I'm townreading all my buddies

i don't think this response is from a town mindset

TheDebil wrote:qva/dota is TvS

more distancing (no mention of TvT which could've been very likely)

TheDebil wrote:
Flake wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Guys how do we read fwog

ok nvm this is definitely town

uhhh how??

mafia!qva fails to show incentive to try and understand how to accurately read someone. the same goes for most people as mafia; if you know everything, there's no need to know how to accurately read someone. making this sort of post as mafia requires faking it to appear town, but virtually no one would think of doing that, it's far too subtle to be something that is faked. try finding a single post in vfm48 wherein mafia!qva wants to understand how to more accurately read; you won't. in vfm48 as mafia he sticks to his own "reads" and acts based upon them exclusively, he shows no incentive to want to better his already existing reads.

ok, this is a very fair point. from what ive seen of that game, its been very hectic, it would be even more easy to ask something like this than in here. mafia would explain what fwog's antics are
however, here is a counterpoint - maybe this is a backhanded way to push more attention onto fwog, asking people to read him?

debil townreads qva now, but adds a counterpoint just in case

TheDebil wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:i'll post my reads and 1 question for everyone in the list

Heli - saying stuff like "i have a plan", "i command when the meme phase ends" and "catching up" when you're not providing anything doesn't grant you a town pass for me
if Heli flips scum I'm gonna be suspecting everyone who is townreading her because people can just say "oh well i thought it's Heli in their town meta"
Question: you said you have reads. Can you post/repost them?

you are listing things that dont make him towny instead of things that make him scummy
wack

dota2reporter wrote:watchme - The stuff he said isn't necessarilly bad, but the attitude just screams "i'm being careful" to me with none of the reads being scumreads and showing the screenshot to prove an rvs vote
Question: What are your scumreads? Please vote one of them

hes afraid to be scumread, he seemed to be pretty mad after he got lynched d1 in 18b
its nai, but this might be the explanation for his careful nature

dota2reporter wrote:Chemist - The push on me was fine, i didn't like that he didn't add anything to the conversation after voting me
Question: can you provide a reads list?

that is all? maybe he is just busy lol

his response to my reads list. my qva read is nowhere to be seen despite at the time debil townreading qva and me scumreading qva

TheDebil wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Also debil I dropped my argument with dota because I dropped my scumread on them and they rescinded theirs.

yeah i get it but
you said scum would stop the argument to not get more attention
dont you think its suspicious
the exact thing you were talking scum would do happened

more distancing using the TvS argument

TheDebil wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Debil why would it be bad for me to ask people to read fwog? I couldn't read him myself.

im not saying its bad im just saying it doesnt make you super extra towny like flake is pushing it to be here

distanciiiiiiiiiiiing


TheDebil wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:but yea

/vote debil

is it because i called qva/dota tvs or anything else

oops plan is backfiring

TheDebil wrote:qva really wants a chemist lynch
if watch flips scum im shooting qva

TheDebil wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:qva really wants a chemist lynch
if watch flips scum im shooting qva
but probably still gonna shoot helicopter

the point of watchme knowing fwogs play falls flat but there are other accusations and im gonna trust those

/vote watchme

If we lynch chemist and he's v shoot watchme

i think they probably both flip town so i wont

town would've responded with something like "no, i'm shooting you"

now from qva's side

Qvapil wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:debil and dota are mafia

lol what did debil do


You got caught rip
/vote debil

people already squeezed out all the juice from this post but i can't not quote it. i remember qvapil saying it was an RvS vote but that's not the case. qva's RvS vote was goomba

Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
fwogcarf wrote:whos ready for me to get lynched because I look scummy

no one was but i am now

@qva are you joking because you sound serious


I wasn't joking

than your question is absolutely stupid
do you expect scum to say "yes i am infact scum how did you know"


No but I expect town to say "I'm town". Scum would dance around like you did if they felt bad about directly lying.

it doesnt always work like that
town would dance around as much as scum if they wanted to because no one wants to be scumread, and my claim isnt that in the first place
i said im a serial town because i thought it was funny


Oh I thought I was talking to dota my bad.
I don't mind your claim.
I just thought it was weirdly self conscious of dota to say "my answer won't matter"

feels like scum theatre to get debil town points (which worked!)

Qvapil wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:i'll post my reads and 1 question for everyone in the list

Debil - I think he would react differently to qva's accidental accusation if he was scum. the posts seem genuine and overall town motivated, it actually feels like he's trying to solve. Question: you said the wagon on me (which was 3 votes) isn't pure. Put the 3 voters in order from town to scum and explain

I have't attempted to read debil yet, though I notice he's generally being townread. Could you quote some of his posts that you think are townie?

this is the only read of mine for which qva asks for quotes
chemist read was ignored too

Qvapil wrote:Also flake/dash/dota/debil are pretty much townread by the whole game. I don't know why mafia would let that happen, unless they are not active/not trying or one of them is in that pool. Honestly I think the former is more likely.

this is despite qva nullreading debil, hmm
town don't believe the general thoughts of others most of the time due to lack of info
but here qva's all dandy with it

Qvapil wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:but yea

/vote debil

Could you explain this? If you have and I missed it sorry, I'll recheck your iso after I catch up.

the only time qva asked for an explanation to vote

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okay i'm not gonna deathtunnel simply because it's unfun, i'll still try to solve but this doesn't feel like a coincidence
i really want one of qva/debil/ultii lynched now
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby fwogcarf » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:50 am

Catching up
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby Qvapil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:12 am

dota2reporter wrote:omg qva&debil scumteam is so realistic

TheDebil wrote:flake/qva/chemist/woahah

start of distancing from qva (qva was never previously mentioned beforehand)

Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:flake/qva/chemist/woahah

Nice I'm townreading all my buddies

i don't think this response is from a town mindset
Why? From my pov that was a shit scumteam.

TheDebil wrote:qva/dota is TvS

more distancing (no mention of TvT which could've been very likely)
I pushed him for this, I thought he attempted to set us up.

TheDebil wrote:
Flake wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Guys how do we read fwog

ok nvm this is definitely town

uhhh how??

mafia!qva fails to show incentive to try and understand how to accurately read someone. the same goes for most people as mafia; if you know everything, there's no need to know how to accurately read someone. making this sort of post as mafia requires faking it to appear town, but virtually no one would think of doing that, it's far too subtle to be something that is faked. try finding a single post in vfm48 wherein mafia!qva wants to understand how to more accurately read; you won't. in vfm48 as mafia he sticks to his own "reads" and acts based upon them exclusively, he shows no incentive to want to better his already existing reads.

ok, this is a very fair point. from what ive seen of that game, its been very hectic, it would be even more easy to ask something like this than in here. mafia would explain what fwog's antics are
however, here is a counterpoint - maybe this is a backhanded way to push more attention onto fwog, asking people to read him?

debil townreads qva now, but adds a counterpoint just in case
Fair point. I can't answer for debil though.

TheDebil wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:i'll post my reads and 1 question for everyone in the list

Heli - saying stuff like "i have a plan", "i command when the meme phase ends" and "catching up" when you're not providing anything doesn't grant you a town pass for me
if Heli flips scum I'm gonna be suspecting everyone who is townreading her because people can just say "oh well i thought it's Heli in their town meta"
Question: you said you have reads. Can you post/repost them?

you are listing things that dont make him towny instead of things that make him scummy
wack

dota2reporter wrote:watchme - The stuff he said isn't necessarilly bad, but the attitude just screams "i'm being careful" to me with none of the reads being scumreads and showing the screenshot to prove an rvs vote
Question: What are your scumreads? Please vote one of them

hes afraid to be scumread, he seemed to be pretty mad after he got lynched d1 in 18b
its nai, but this might be the explanation for his careful nature

dota2reporter wrote:Chemist - The push on me was fine, i didn't like that he didn't add anything to the conversation after voting me
Question: can you provide a reads list?

that is all? maybe he is just busy lol

his response to my reads list. my qva read is nowhere to be seen despite at the time debil townreading qva and me scumreading qva
same as before

TheDebil wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Also debil I dropped my argument with dota because I dropped my scumread on them and they rescinded theirs.

yeah i get it but
you said scum would stop the argument to not get more attention
dont you think its suspicious
the exact thing you were talking scum would do happened

more distancing using the TvS argument
you can't just call all our disagreements distancing

TheDebil wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Debil why would it be bad for me to ask people to read fwog? I couldn't read him myself.

im not saying its bad im just saying it doesnt make you super extra towny like flake is pushing it to be here

distanciiiiiiiiiiiing
same as before. I still think it's very possible that he wanted to keep me as a possible lynch target by pitching his TvS arguments.


TheDebil wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:but yea

/vote debil

is it because i called qva/dota tvs or anything else

oops plan is backfiring
plan to get me lynched more likely.

TheDebil wrote:qva really wants a chemist lynch
if watch flips scum im shooting qva

TheDebil wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:qva really wants a chemist lynch
if watch flips scum im shooting qva
but probably still gonna shoot helicopter

the point of watchme knowing fwogs play falls flat but there are other accusations and im gonna trust those

/vote watchme

If we lynch chemist and he's v shoot watchme

i think they probably both flip town so i wont

town would've responded with something like "no, i'm shooting you"
why? weak point

now from qva's side

Qvapil wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:debil and dota are mafia

lol what did debil do


You got caught rip
/vote debil

people already squeezed out all the juice from this post but i can't not quote it. i remember qvapil saying it was an RvS vote but that's not the case. qva's RvS vote was goomba
am I not allowed more than one joke vote at SOD?

Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
fwogcarf wrote:whos ready for me to get lynched because I look scummy

no one was but i am now

@qva are you joking because you sound serious


I wasn't joking

than your question is absolutely stupid
do you expect scum to say "yes i am infact scum how did you know"


No but I expect town to say "I'm town". Scum would dance around like you did if they felt bad about directly lying.

it doesnt always work like that
town would dance around as much as scum if they wanted to because no one wants to be scumread, and my claim isnt that in the first place
i said im a serial town because i thought it was funny


Oh I thought I was talking to dota my bad.
I don't mind your claim.
I just thought it was weirdly self conscious of dota to say "my answer won't matter"

feels like scum theatre to get debil town points (which worked!)
debil got no town points from me

Qvapil wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:i'll post my reads and 1 question for everyone in the list

Debil - I think he would react differently to qva's accidental accusation if he was scum. the posts seem genuine and overall town motivated, it actually feels like he's trying to solve. Question: you said the wagon on me (which was 3 votes) isn't pure. Put the 3 voters in order from town to scum and explain

I have't attempted to read debil yet, though I notice he's generally being townread. Could you quote some of his posts that you think are townie?

this is the only read of mine for which qva asks for quotes
chemist read was ignored too
I hadn't read debil yet and couldn't see why you did, that's why I asked. Your other reads I could understand. I didn't ignore your chemist read, I talked about chemist when I responded to your question of who I scumread so I didn't repeat it under chemist.

Qvapil wrote:Also flake/dash/dota/debil are pretty much townread by the whole game. I don't know why mafia would let that happen, unless they are not active/not trying or one of them is in that pool. Honestly I think the former is more likely.

this is despite qva nullreading debil, hmm
town don't believe the general thoughts of others most of the time due to lack of info
but here qva's all dandy with it
Why not? I don't think it was that bad of an assumption to make, as you, dash and flake (notice: the other three in my pool, who I townread) all townread debil. What's so bad about using other people's input to reach conclusions?

Qvapil wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:but yea

/vote debil

Could you explain this? If you have and I missed it sorry, I'll recheck your iso after I catch up.

the only time qva asked for an explanation to vote
Yes cause I could still not see why debil was townread and I would consider him as a lynch target if someone made a good case. Ultii did later but I was much more sure on chemist so I ignored debil. Also debil claimed vig and I mentioned in my last readlist that the only reason I had debil in town was because I believed the claim.

I was cautious and hesitant on debil all day because I couldn't read them. That's why I asked many questions on them.


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okay i'm not gonna deathtunnel simply because it's unfun, i'll still try to solve but this doesn't feel like a coincidence
i really want one of qva/debil/ultii lynched now

Also you can't completely ignore chemist in this.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby fwogcarf » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:13 am

It's unlikely that vig shot flake because he was mostly read as town and who ever scumread him is maybe vig

Then again that'd be a stupid reason to shoot someone
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 2

Postby fwogcarf » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:13 am

In what world is ulti scum dota
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