SFM 60: Paranoia Mafia (Ending)

[MrChuckleteeth]

Going back to sleep now.

[Cenvil2]

Honestly I'm inclined to agree but I have other reasons as to why I think it's not a slip.

you think it's a slip but still want to lynch me ok

Read again.
Mr Butz said he thinks it's not a slip.

[Phone0Ix]

Why I suspect Eragon: They are a clone from Multi but worse
Why I suspect Olly: Their reason for voting me sucks and it felt overconfident
Why I suspect Chuckle: They act strange
I already explained Multi and dota and don't suspect htg anymore

[Phone0Ix]

1. Chemist1422 (Apollo Justice)
2. dota2reporter (Athena Cykes)
3. *Helicooler (Maya Fey)
4. Eragon1329 (Pearl Fey)
5. FMLSheWas12 (Mia Fey)
6. Watt2015 (Trucy Wright)
7. tfiosforevah (Miles Edgeworth)
8. heytheregirl17 (Franziska von Karma)
9. EvilDeanius0 (Simon Blackquill)
10. Jamezbeast (Klavier Gavin)
11. OllyRenard (Dick Gumshoe)
12. GrumpyGoomba (Ema Skye)
13. Cenvil2 (Kay Faraday)
14. MrChuckleteeth (Larry Butz)
15. Multiuniverse (Wendy Oldbag)
16. Phone0lx (Princess "Her Benevolence" Rayfa)

[Phone0Ix]

Also I might consider killing Eragon instead of Dota

[Multiuniverse]

Spoiler:

Alrighty guys, let's have a quick chat about the prod timers, now that we're just about 48 hours left to go into Day 1.

I love that some of you are enjoying the flavor for what it is, and please, by all means, don't let me discourage you from continuing to do this. But- a couple or so of you probably would have been prodded by my standards at this point, however I also understand that sometimes a game is slow to take off because of meme phases that take place at the start of the game. But I think it's fair to say that things have taken a bit more of a serious tone since page 1 as of now, so here's the deal.

Everyone has made an appearance between now and SoD. Provided that everyone continues to make posts every 24 hours, I'll not enforce the content aspect rule of the prod timers for the first 24 hours of the game to make up for the jokes everyone was laying on thick earlier.

So, now that the game is starting to shape itself a bit more, from here on out, I'll start considering your content against you as of now. I'll forgive people who relaxed a bit more and had more fun at first, but we should probably try to push things along a touch more seriously. So as of now, content counts.

Cheers, everyone.

I object! That was... objectionable

((In all seriousness though okay im just really obsessed with aa))

Any thoughts on things that have happened?

The blatantness of holding the murder weapon and faking a shot by Cenvil is obviously a rabbit hole that the defense wants us to go into. However, this is definitely something to be of note for the future, even if he was just messing around. You must not leave any evidence out when solving a case, as hard evidence is everything, and we must listen to any witnesses so that we find the truth.

And thoughts on Multi, Chemist, Eragon and Chuckle?

Mr. Justice is lacking up to his usual standards. For someone who has defeated Mr. Wright in the past, I would have expected more. The girl fey is contributing nicely for her young age, especially surrounded by all the adults in the courtroom. I am surprised that Mr. Butz was able to make that sound of an argument against someone else, I would consider him a friend, but most of the time he sounds like a blithering idiot. As for Ms. Oldbag, I’m pleased that she isn’t yelling at innocent people and willing to contribute.
These four are not suspicious at the current time, they have no evidence against them.

Oh Edgey-poo your compliment is as sweet as honey

[Multiuniverse]

Phone and dota are both incompetent, vile, whippersnippers. It matter not which of the two is convicted today because eventually both of them will be behind bars, and justice will be served.

I think it does matter because do you see a scenario where they are both scum? (I am aware that scum don't know their teammates initially)

Yes
As you have stated scum don't know their teammates therefore it is reasonable that they could both flip scum as S v S interaction does not apply here

So then let me ask you this, do you see a scenario where they are not both scum more likely or less likely? (disregard mathematical probability given scum don't know their own teammates and just go off reads/intution/psychic powers/whatever else the fuck you want to use)

Less likely, since I individually scumread both of them. 'course, you can argue that if Phone is scum since he early hardpush dota and several other people that if phone flips scum then dota might be town as phone "knew" dota is town. However it'd be a pretty dumb move as scum to push all four of your known town as your first move.

Hm

Now that I got that off my chest I think convicting Phone may be a better move since they've made a lot of push whereas dota have hardly made any except for they opportunistically calling htg out.

See that's exactly why I'd rather push dota over Phone. I think that's exactly the mindset that scum would like to take and I sincerely can't match it to town!dota's meta regardless. I mean would you say that their vote and comments on Phone are not a push?

sure but phone pushed more people so we'll get more information if they flip scum
also i dont know their meta so

Scum don't know their buddies so phone pushing more people isn't likely to give much information. I'm actually all up for a dota lynch rn.

But scums are told name of 4 cynics so it is likely that atleast 1 or 2 of the people he pushed the most are cynics he was told of

[Multiuniverse]

Upon further analysis I am also ok with lynching Goomba
Everything they said so far has not been addressing the key talking points and composed of weird, untimely, comments (their whole ISO is wolfy pop-ins)

[Phone0Ix]

Btw the reason why Im killing Eragon instead of dota. It is an ultimatum. First you had to choose between me and Dota with the lynch and if they were cynic they would kill the other correct. Now if you lynch me, dota doesnt die. So if you want dota dead, you'll have to lynch him instead of me.

[Multiuniverse]

Btw the reason why Im killing Eragon instead of dota. It is an ultimatum. First you had to choose between me and Dota with the lynch and if they were cynic they would kill the other correct. Now if you lynch me, dota doesnt die. So if you want dota dead, you'll have to lynch him instead of me.

It'd only work if you're innocent

[Phone0Ix]

Btw the reason why Im killing Eragon instead of dota. It is an ultimatum. First you had to choose between me and Dota with the lynch and if they were cynic they would kill the other correct. Now if you lynch me, dota doesnt die. So if you want dota dead, you'll have to lynch him instead of me.

It'd only work if you're innocent

Which I am. But if you wanna lynch me, just know that Eragon dies also. I think they are scum and since they arent lynched in the near future probably its good. But if you want dota/Grumpy dead, lynching me ain't the solution!

[heytheregirl17]

Goomba has not been as engaged as has been in recent ganes. He reads very similar to Chemist in that he is extremely transparent as town. He has not had the same effect here.

[Chemist1422]

Goomba has not been as engaged as has been in recent ganes. He reads very similar to Chemist in that he is extremely transparent as town. He has not had the same effect here.

I'd like to think my scum game isn't that bad all the time

[heytheregirl17]

Btw the reason why Im killing Eragon instead of dota. It is an ultimatum. First you had to choose between me and Dota with the lynch and if they were cynic they would kill the other correct. Now if you lynch me, dota doesnt die. So if you want dota dead, you'll have to lynch him instead of me.

It'd only work if you're innocent

Which I am. But if you wanna lynch me, just know that Eragon dies also. I think they are scum and since they arent lynched in the near future probably its good. But if you want dota/Grumpy dead, lynching me ain't the solution!

Have I missed something? Why Eragon? Just because you are petty about being lynched? That is foolishly foolish thinking.

[Chemist1422]

Phone is still carbon-copying SFM54 so I'm not worried about him being a runaway wagon

I didn't like dota's comment about being okay with being lynched, seems like he's trying to act like he doesn't care about the pressure on him

I think HTG's overall solving-oriented attitude is townie

[FMLSheWas12]

Chemist how is Phone carbon copy SFM54?

[FMLSheWas12]

Goomba has not been as engaged as has been in recent ganes. He reads very similar to Chemist in that he is extremely transparent as town. He has not had the same effect here.

I think I agree.

While we're on topic, do you think Chemist has been transparent?

[FMLSheWas12]

Also I might consider killing Eragon instead of Dota

"They are a clone of Multi but worse."

I would disagree, and even if it were true, it isn't a good premise to suspect him. I wouldn't kill Eragon.

[heytheregirl17]

Seeing Phone tying in the risk to his lynch is never in benefit to the town. I believe that may be the final clue I need.

[Chemist1422]

Chemist how is Phone carbon copy SFM54?

#3094372 compares to #3195591 with the overconfident tone
#3094473 compares to #3195660 with switching the push after getting counterpressured and #3197020 for the readslist without explanations

[heytheregirl17]

Goomba has not been as engaged as has been in recent ganes. He reads very similar to Chemist in that he is extremely transparent as town. He has not had the same effect here.

I think I agree.

While we're on topic, do you think Chemist has been transparent?

Not necessarily, but this pattern has fallen off in recent games as both alignments, so that method is unreliable. I do believe he is town for now.

[FMLSheWas12]

I believe the OP says there is atleast 1 scum.

There is min 1, max 12 scum.

I think 8 scum is likely also because it's half of the group and maybe Rick thought that would be funny? Idk

but there's also the limit on how many townies can die
scum has to be minority since they kill a townie each time they're lynched
if it's 8v8 then town can easily lose from losing too many towns

I...

I think this deserves a not guilty verdict

(townslip mildly accepted)

Objection.

Mafia's only way to kill town is lynching them.
Townies way to kill mafia is lynching/shooting them.
Both mafia and town should know this information after reading the OP.
Not knowing (or showing as not known) is not a slip but a sign of not caring about the game.
I refuse to acknowledge this as a townslip.

Well if someone randed mafia they could assume whether they had a kill or not without reading the OP.

[Chemist1422]

Goomba has not been as engaged as has been in recent ganes. He reads very similar to Chemist in that he is extremely transparent as town. He has not had the same effect here.

I think I agree.

While we're on topic, do you think Chemist has been transparent?

Not necessarily, but this pattern has fallen off in recent games as both alignments, so that method is unreliable. I do believe he is town for now.

That's something odd to say, given that the last time I played scum against you was SFM56

[heytheregirl17]

Goomba has not been as engaged as has been in recent ganes. He reads very similar to Chemist in that he is extremely transparent as town. He has not had the same effect here.

I think I agree.

While we're on topic, do you think Chemist has been transparent?

Not necessarily, but this pattern has fallen off in recent games as both alignments, so that method is unreliable. I do believe he is town for now.

That's something odd to say, given that the last time I played scum against you was SFM56

Objection!
I was not in that game, and you were scum in a different game as well.

[FMLSheWas12]

Chemist how is Phone carbon copy SFM54?

#3094372 compares to #3195591 with the overconfident tone
#3094473 compares to #3195660 with switching the push after getting counterpressured and #3197020 for the readslist without explanations

The similarities are:

• He is confident in his scum reads
• He moved his vote
• He made a readslist

however don't you think these reasons are very bland and basic actions? It's capable of literally anyone that has played mafia before.

I can draw upon dissimilarities, such as the vigor in his pushes. He seems much more aggressive in his interactions and argumentative. He also seems willing to re-analyze his reads further, whereas in SFM54 he simply moved onto another scumread.

Whether these dissimilarities are alignment indicative are up in the air, but they're a much bigger bulk in examining his playstyle when comparing both games.