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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby MafiaMenace » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:51 pm

ScorpioDiAngelo wrote:Okay well Chemist is being very productive in this game. Either town or some next level powerwolfing.

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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby James » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:07 am

ejjinami wrote:
James wrote:
ejjinami wrote:You're just "ew"ing at everyone who posted, why do you dislike those posts

I called those 3 posts gross because they're rvs votes and their comments are off-putting

ejjinami wrote:
NotExacerbated wrote:I hardclaim sheriff.

We don’t even need to hypo, whichever doc has me in their pool heals me.

Oh god

If exa claimed as a "joke", I'm prob gonna heavily consider lynching him
This may sound insane, but maybe, just maybe, exa is protesting against the doctor shite
If not, one of the doctors should claim
The cop has to be healed once and I'm not really tempted to count on WIFOM
And a doc dying is better than the cop
Made from stupidity but still very suspicious

We can start from here

Claiming was a terrible idea btw

/vote ejjinami
I hate everything about this post

How are they off putting?

And cool, elaborate


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James wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:How is RvS bad? It helps starting a conversation

Because it's always off-putting to me

it doesn't make the comments scum-motivated
Do you think they're scummy?
and does that mean you think setup spec is more townie than RvS votes?

It's usually not AI, but still, they always make it so awkward.
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby TheWabbit » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:17 am

Eragon1329 wrote:rip i guess the doctor idea wont work

sorry about inactive today, I'll be on later tonight when i have free time

There's no real solution to separating the two doctors' pools without having an outed doctor.

However, this isn't just on Town's burden as Mafia would have to deal with two separate factors, with regards to NotExacerbated's situation:

- town!NotExacerbated could be actual Cop or a Cit baiting nightkill
- NotExacerbated could be protected or not, given the doc WIFOM happening

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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby TheWabbit » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:20 am

best course of action is to ignore doctor/cop for now and let scum do the thinking

MafiaMenace wrote: Spoiler:
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Chemist1422 wrote:Hello

We're going to leave cop cover. How do we do that? It's simple. Every night that the cop is still alive and unouted, you claim to have gotten a green check on one person that night. Try to make it someone you would actually check as cop in that situation.

Benefits:
- Helps hide the real cop while getting their peeks out
- Allows SHC

Disadvantages:
- Helps wolves PoE the cop more effectively - Less so with doctors in the setup

/vote hereisme

This vote's about as much of a joke as theirs, but their post along with it felt lazy.

I'm in.
Eragon1329 wrote:Whatever we decide to do for cop, onto the doctors

At the end of the day, we should(as a town) correlate a “doc 1” and “doc 2” pool, to make 100% sure docs don’t cross-heal

Who the docs heal in that “pool” is up to them, for WIFOM purposes, but they must heal in that pool

That is not going to work, and i feel it's going to create more confusion than needed.
Eragon1329 wrote:Also notes on claiming:

Due to the doctors being macho and the cop being our only TI.

Do not claim until you are specifically asked to claim. There is always a chance that you won’t be the lynch, and a claimed citizen is basically useless, will never die at night, and could possibly be mislynched later.

So always leave that air of mystery on whether you are a PR or not, and frankly i’d Prefer never claiming until the lynch is 100% set, and only CFD’ing off of the lynch if the target is a PR

I feel like we would lynch a suspicious person regarless, especially if there is a chance that a goon could claim PR to escape from the gallows.
But i agree with the general idea.
ScorpioDiAngelo wrote:Okay well Chemist is being very productive in this game. Either town or some next level powerwolfing.

Already? All Chemist did was make a plan. Also, what about Eragon?
Chemist1422 wrote:Eragon towny for setting up good mechanical play

Scorpio is a FeelsWeird for mentioning me and not Eragon

Already? It's not a good play, but i agree with your second point.
Eragon1329 wrote:The doc in the pool given

If there are 2 docs in one pool, well then...

Fuck RNG lmao

Like “group 1” persists of blah blah, and the doctor in that pool heals there, and “group 2 “ consists of blah blah and doctor in that pool heals there

RNG Screwing us over is quite likely, i wouldn't risk it.
hereisme wrote:@Eragon
I'm still worried about accidentally having both Docs in same pool.
This plan seems more dangerous because of that chance.
And what if one of the pools ends up with more Maf than town?
Then that Doc has more chance of healing scum on accident.
Wouldn't it just be safer to let the Docs do whatever they choose?
As in - heal who they town read most each day?
It feels too risky when we can't be sure how the pools are split.

As for your thoughts on the hypo, I can see both sides.
Plus, if Cop dies tonight or gets red check, we don't need to.
But if Cop dies Night 2 or 3 with green checks, the hypo helps.
If I had to say what I wanted to do right now, I think we should.

Chemist1422 wrote:SHC = Seer Hunt Clear

If wolves attack someone thinking they're the cop their peek is likely town

That could be used against us, so i wouldn't rely on it.
hereisme wrote:Current reads:
Town Lean - Chemist
NULL - everyone else

Already? And i wouldn't worry about post limit, we have an entire 50 posts.
James wrote:>Still using readlists in 2019
lole

What do we use instead? I don't have a problem with readlists.
TheWabbit wrote:Claiming goon. My buddies are lilgangsta and Eragon1329.

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I think we should let the doctors decide the target for themselves. Attempting to separate them with no clear distinction both in town!PoV and doc!PoV won't help. Attempting to find ways to help the doctors in coordination will also help scum narrow down possible doctors.

We talked about this, i wasn't willing to be part of this plan!! :evil:
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Yeah, pretty much.
NotExacerbated wrote:Hey gamers I’m at a school dance

Go get that coochie!
I'm already leaning to eragon and scorpio being a scumteam due to scorpio purposely ignoring eragon. Didn't like eragon's plan either, but i don't think it was intentionally bad.

the repetition feels kinda weird here

Watch as town loses anyway, haha.

wolfy even if it was to crack a joke


I find the repetition normal. They're asking about why people are dishing out easy townreads.
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby James » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:21 am

hereisme wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
hereisme wrote:Current reads:
Town Lean - Chemist
NULL - everyone else

Townread was easily given. Noted.

I wouldn't call it a town read, exactly, since I'm still unsure.
More of just a lean. He's been productive thus far.
Intro felt townie to me and has also started scum hunt already.

Then it's a null read
hereisme wrote:
NotExacerbated wrote:This setup is so town sided it’s disgusting

This comment feels kind of disgusting to me.
I can't exactly place why though.
Almost like it came from frustrated scum.

Yeah, as if town hasn't said stuff like this a thousand times.
Phone0Ix wrote:Feels like trying to block conversation

How was that blocking anything?
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i wont ask again
what will be our duel

You may challenge him to a duel of your setting. Mafia, games, a riddle, all are legal.
hereisme wrote:James also made a serious (slightly OMGUS) vote on ejjinami.
So we'll have to see if they're willing to participate in discussion by explaining it.

It's not my fault that she said blatantly scummy shite right after voting me
Phone0Ix wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:phone with the minor tell of explaining reads after he posts them

without providing examples either

/vote Phone

James is posting negative opinions everytime someone's trying to suggest something

ouch, the shade
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby NotExacerbated » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:58 am

Woah were at 5 pages? Wow. I’m very impressed

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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby MafiaMenace » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:47 am

James wrote:
hereisme wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
hereisme wrote:Current reads:
Town Lean - Chemist
NULL - everyone else

Townread was easily given. Noted.

I wouldn't call it a town read, exactly, since I'm still unsure.
More of just a lean. He's been productive thus far.
Intro felt townie to me and has also started scum hunt already.

Then it's a null read
hereisme wrote:
NotExacerbated wrote:This setup is so town sided it’s disgusting

This comment feels kind of disgusting to me.
I can't exactly place why though.
Almost like it came from frustrated scum.

Yeah, as if town hasn't said stuff like this a thousand times.
Phone0Ix wrote:Feels like trying to block conversation

How was that blocking anything?
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i wont ask again
what will be our duel

You may challenge him to a duel of your setting. Mafia, games, a riddle, all are legal.
hereisme wrote:James also made a serious (slightly OMGUS) vote on ejjinami.
So we'll have to see if they're willing to participate in discussion by explaining it.

It's not my fault that she said blatantly scummy shite right after voting me
Phone0Ix wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:phone with the minor tell of explaining reads after he posts them

without providing examples either

/vote Phone

James is posting negative opinions everytime someone's trying to suggest something

ouch, the shade

i mean you cant say thats shade
its an actual push LOL

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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby MafiaMenace » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:48 am

TheWabbit wrote:best course of action is to ignore doctor/cop for now and let scum do the thinking

MafiaMenace wrote: Spoiler:
lilgangsta wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Hello

We're going to leave cop cover. How do we do that? It's simple. Every night that the cop is still alive and unouted, you claim to have gotten a green check on one person that night. Try to make it someone you would actually check as cop in that situation.

Benefits:
- Helps hide the real cop while getting their peeks out
- Allows SHC

Disadvantages:
- Helps wolves PoE the cop more effectively - Less so with doctors in the setup

/vote hereisme

This vote's about as much of a joke as theirs, but their post along with it felt lazy.

I'm in.
Eragon1329 wrote:Whatever we decide to do for cop, onto the doctors

At the end of the day, we should(as a town) correlate a “doc 1” and “doc 2” pool, to make 100% sure docs don’t cross-heal

Who the docs heal in that “pool” is up to them, for WIFOM purposes, but they must heal in that pool

That is not going to work, and i feel it's going to create more confusion than needed.
Eragon1329 wrote:Also notes on claiming:

Due to the doctors being macho and the cop being our only TI.

Do not claim until you are specifically asked to claim. There is always a chance that you won’t be the lynch, and a claimed citizen is basically useless, will never die at night, and could possibly be mislynched later.

So always leave that air of mystery on whether you are a PR or not, and frankly i’d Prefer never claiming until the lynch is 100% set, and only CFD’ing off of the lynch if the target is a PR

I feel like we would lynch a suspicious person regarless, especially if there is a chance that a goon could claim PR to escape from the gallows.
But i agree with the general idea.
ScorpioDiAngelo wrote:Okay well Chemist is being very productive in this game. Either town or some next level powerwolfing.

Already? All Chemist did was make a plan. Also, what about Eragon?
Chemist1422 wrote:Eragon towny for setting up good mechanical play

Scorpio is a FeelsWeird for mentioning me and not Eragon

Already? It's not a good play, but i agree with your second point.
Eragon1329 wrote:The doc in the pool given

If there are 2 docs in one pool, well then...

Fuck RNG lmao

Like “group 1” persists of blah blah, and the doctor in that pool heals there, and “group 2 “ consists of blah blah and doctor in that pool heals there

RNG Screwing us over is quite likely, i wouldn't risk it.
hereisme wrote:@Eragon
I'm still worried about accidentally having both Docs in same pool.
This plan seems more dangerous because of that chance.
And what if one of the pools ends up with more Maf than town?
Then that Doc has more chance of healing scum on accident.
Wouldn't it just be safer to let the Docs do whatever they choose?
As in - heal who they town read most each day?
It feels too risky when we can't be sure how the pools are split.

As for your thoughts on the hypo, I can see both sides.
Plus, if Cop dies tonight or gets red check, we don't need to.
But if Cop dies Night 2 or 3 with green checks, the hypo helps.
If I had to say what I wanted to do right now, I think we should.

Chemist1422 wrote:SHC = Seer Hunt Clear

If wolves attack someone thinking they're the cop their peek is likely town

That could be used against us, so i wouldn't rely on it.
hereisme wrote:Current reads:
Town Lean - Chemist
NULL - everyone else

Already? And i wouldn't worry about post limit, we have an entire 50 posts.
James wrote:>Still using readlists in 2019
lole

What do we use instead? I don't have a problem with readlists.
TheWabbit wrote:Claiming goon. My buddies are lilgangsta and Eragon1329.

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I think we should let the doctors decide the target for themselves. Attempting to separate them with no clear distinction both in town!PoV and doc!PoV won't help. Attempting to find ways to help the doctors in coordination will also help scum narrow down possible doctors.

We talked about this, i wasn't willing to be part of this plan!! :evil:
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Yeah, pretty much.
NotExacerbated wrote:Hey gamers I’m at a school dance

Go get that coochie!
I'm already leaning to eragon and scorpio being a scumteam due to scorpio purposely ignoring eragon. Didn't like eragon's plan either, but i don't think it was intentionally bad.

the repetition feels kinda weird here

Watch as town loses anyway, haha.

wolfy even if it was to crack a joke


I find the repetition normal. They're asking about why people are dishing out easy townreads.

it just feels hella fucking awkward you know?
im not gonna press as im going out on a whim when saying that but it isnt sitting right with me
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby MafiaMenace » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:50 am

NotExacerbated wrote:Woah were at 5 pages? Wow. I’m very impressed

When I stop posting from mobile you’ll see my new emoticon

wacky ikr

ive contributed to somewhere around a 1/4
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby MafiaMenace » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:51 am

MafiaMenace wrote:
NotExacerbated wrote:Woah were at 5 pages? Wow. I’m very impressed

When I stop posting from mobile you’ll see my new emoticon

wacky ikr

ive contributed to somewhere around a 1/4

far from it actually
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby TheWabbit » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:12 am

NotExacerbated wrote:Woah were at 5 pages? Wow. I’m very impressed

When I stop posting from mobile you’ll see my new emoticon

Will it be more magical than before?
What are your thoughts about hereisme?
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby lilgangsta » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:24 am

A L R E A D Y ? :mrgreen:
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby lilgangsta » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:38 am

hereisme wrote:
NotExacerbated wrote:This setup is so town sided it’s disgusting

This comment feels kind of disgusting to me.
I can't exactly place why though.
Almost like it came from frustrated scum.

I don't really see it. It seems more like speculation/a joke to me.
hereisme wrote:NO DOCTOR SHOULD CLAIM - Not unless they were the lynch. No Doc claims.
No matter if NotEx Cop claim was legit or a joke, he shouldn't be the lynch today.
If he's lying, real Cop should check there first.
And I think we should do hypo still even if NotEx doesn't feel this way.

I'm pretty sure NotEx is town anyway, just based on the claim he's making. I don't see a cop-mafia tradeoff worthwhile especially D1. It's either VT baiting the mafia to kill him, or actual cop claiming out loud to test mafia and see if they actually dare attack him.
Phone0Ix wrote:From experience I know how worse my reason to scumread someone is (aslong as there is a plausible reason), how higher the chance is it's right so I'm starting to follow my weak reasons

I don't understand what you are trying to say here.
Chemist1422 wrote:phone with the minor tell of explaining reads after he posts them

without providing examples either

/vote Phone

You don't need to provide examples when James's ISO is just a few posts. I'm sure everyone who's read this game can tell what Phoenix is talking about. I don't really like this push you're making.
Phone0Ix wrote:James is posting negative opinions everytime someone's trying to suggest something

And why is negativity bad again? It makes the person pushing the opinion rethink it, and sparks discussion. If everyone agreed with each other all the time we would get nowhere.
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby lilgangsta » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:59 am

NotExacerbated wrote:Woah were at 5 pages? Wow. I’m very impressed

When I stop posting from mobile you’ll see my new emoticon

Are you just going to chime in and tell us how many pages there are? That's not very useful.
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After reading Ejji's case, i sort of agree with her. Scorpio throwing out a TR so easily doesn't seem like a scum move to me.
James's and Menace's supposed duel seems really awkward, almost forced. It could be an inside joke though, so i'm not going to pay much attention to that.
Both Phoenix's and Chemist's pushes seem pretty weak IMO.
Uzay, Scorpio, and tfios need to post more so i can read them better.
here and Ejji are my strongest TR's so far. They are already putting in work, which i really like.
I don't really have any SR's however. A few people have made posts i'm not fond of, but no one has been worthy of a scumread yet.
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby NotExacerbated » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:49 am

TheWabbit wrote:
NotExacerbated wrote:Woah were at 5 pages? Wow. I’m very impressed

When I stop posting from mobile you’ll see my new emoticon

Will it be more magical than before?
What are your thoughts about hereisme?

If I had thoughts then I’d have said them by now.

I’m pretty sure I can solve this game by comparing the pretty awful first few posts of modtbplayers to their mafia and town games but that takes like... time. So I’m gona do that later and win the game then I’ll probably dip.
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby NotExacerbated » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:50 am

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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby UzayAltay » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:02 am

Spoiler: First : I want to keep most of my posts for Last IRL Day , which I Will post frequently .

Phone0Ix wrote:
ejjinami wrote:Any doc plans without a revealed doc will only make cross-healing more likely to happen

What if the 2 docs are in the same group? How do you know if they aren't?
No one knows, so just stop it

And the cop is revealed rn, so I really suggest not taking the risk

If the Docs are in the same group they could be unlucky to indeed heal the same person but it's still better because they don't heal each other

The only problem İsnt just that , Another problem is Also other group Will Also not protected much .
#3089451: What Did exactly You hated ?
#3089486 : TBH I am inclined to believe This ,Because it seems make no sense from A scum PoV ( assuming docs are smart as not claiming )
#3089564:
1) :TooBadSoSad: :Sangry:
2) No problem for me .
3) No comment .
4) ++
5)6) I believe RvS is More important Than just A "joke " , it shouldn't be " always bad " as James says , Also it shouldn't be ignored completely ,

#3089569 : Have You explained The vote ?

#3089608 :
1)++
2)Ok.
3)Not sure , but seems Dont much make sense with D1 cop claim .
4) I think " Shade " is The exact definition , he is saying both good things and bad things in The Same post without signing which Side he is leaning on .
I would look If he Said The way , but If he hadnt he should say .
The next : Agreeing on Phone?'s plan being bad , I believe Ejji Said he missed The Mechanichs when doing doc should claim post , which make sense to me , given it guarantees cop staying alive for 2+ nights in case of not Macho cop happen .
#3089618 : Can You explain ejj ?
Also is slightest lean's gut ( I havent seen much comment about them )

#3089623#3089624: Why You thought on that way ? ( Dont answer If You Said already )

#3089628 : Is that his Meta ?( taking RvS off )
I Dont think it was slightly OMGUS , given that his ideas was directly opposite , it comes from The clash of ideas Than " Oh My God You voted me You suck so You should be lynched "
#3089655 : Him giving lock-V would be A problem , but him not saying directly What he is thinking is A bigger problem , it is Also What Pings hereisme , and I think he isnt much wrong .


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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby TheWabbit » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:08 am

NotExacerbated wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
NotExacerbated wrote:Woah were at 5 pages? Wow. I’m very impressed

When I stop posting from mobile you’ll see my new emoticon

Will it be more magical than before?
What are your thoughts about hereisme?

If I had thoughts then I’d have said them by now.

I’m pretty sure I can solve this game by comparing the pretty awful first few posts of modtbplayers to their mafia and town games but that takes like... time. So I’m gona do that later and win the game then I’ll probably dip.

...then you have zero sayings to the game right know apart from your slank covers?

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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:20 am

Phone0Ix wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:phone with the minor tell of explaining reads after he posts them

without providing examples either

/vote Phone

James is posting negative opinions everytime someone's trying to suggest something

Does that invalidate my push on you? If not, then why are you trying to deflect?
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby UzayAltay » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:48 am

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ejjinami wrote:
hereisme wrote:
ejjinami wrote:
NotExacerbated wrote:Hey gamers I’m at a school dance

xd
Ok, i want to joke after all
I'm really tempted to throw one here, even though I know I shouldn't
Stupid game rules...

There's no rule stating you can't joke, just that you can only post 50 times in game day.
So technically, joke all you want, just make your post useful besides that.
Don't waste thread time with fluffy shit.
*which is kinda what you did right there...*

I wasn't talking about the post limit, but about the "no talking about ongoing games" one
I'm not really worried about the post cap tbh

hereisme wrote:It doesn't matter if NotEx is lying about Cop claim.
If they are, real Cop will sort that out.
I believe we should still hypo claim as it's in our best interest.

I'm down for that btw

hereisme wrote:Can the voters that aren't RVS explain their scum read?
I'm assuming the not joke votes are the following - James, ejjinami, Phone

Tbh I'm not sure if my vote counts as RvS or not. James's reactions to the RvS posts didn't make sense to me and made me feel like he might have posted the SRs without any reasoning behind it, just to appear as if he's scumhunting
But tbh I wouldn't say that the vote is much more than pressure.
I'm not sure how I feel about him now, cuz tbh his recent posts didn't make much sense to me either, so I'm ok with letting the vote stay there for a while.

hereisme wrote:Also forgot to post my quick reads bracket so here ya go:
Town lean {Chemist, Uzay}
Slighter lean {Eragon, Wabbit, lilgansta}
NULL - {Most people still}
Very slightly scum {Scorpio, ejjinami}

Wanna elaborate?

Phone0Ix wrote:Feels like trying to block conversation

You mean, by discouraging RvS posts?
How likely do you think it is for his starting posts to have such a "direct?" scum motivation?
I mean like, openly aiming to hinder the town just after the game started?


2) Yes , thinking The Same , even Actually no need , We can benefit from that later ( accotiations )
#3089697 : About Jamez , I think The problem isnt Jamez being against RvS , The problem seems to me that him scumreading RvS'ers so harsh ( hope saying The Word Correct )
If it is Jamez's Meta , it make sense from Jamez's point , Phone's push Dont seems to me make much sense , but Also Dont seems Coming from scum , so I am leaning TvT atm .
If This isnt Jamez's Meta , Than I am curious about Why he need scumread "RvS voters "
Ejji part : TBH The First thing You mentioned would likely to come from bad scum , so , Yes , it is possible , but I am agreeing with Ejj , it is More likely to come from town . THE PROBLEM İS HE HAVENT GİVE A RUSHED TR , If he Gave , It would be discussable , but I would lean town , objectively he even hadnt give A townlean , just implied it , which is What Pings me . At A hypotectical future when Chemist flipped scum , he can easily say " I hadnt TR Chem . "
2) The problem is throwing Shade at experienced Player Dont make much sense UNLESS Mafia is planning The push that Player and He is making way for that ( which Dont make sense much on Chemist , but possible on ERAGON where he isnt as towny as Chem ( and You are saying it's original target Was Eragon ) or " failed faked interaction " , which , Dont know , come from both Eragon V Scorp SvS and Scorp V Chem SvS , but second is very unlikely , given that Chemist being townie and there is Basically no need Mafia Trying that , and I Dont think If Scorpio is Actually Guided it would be that bad ( speaking about First ) , so SvS Era/Scorp is Also unlikely .
Or , We are Basically overthinking on that .

TLDR : IMO opinion , it is between S-Scorp V-Era , or V-Scorp / ?-Era

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#3089778 I Also want to take This lesson TBH :)
#3089794 Why he cant be town ? It is completely possible I think .
#3089796 1) How it is A townread ? :Thonk:
2)Was that A sarcasm ?
5) What ?

#3089847 : :Facepalm:
#3089852 : 2)I can say it Will definitely worth it , but The problem is What could be Mafia 's next plan in case cop not saying anything ( assuming scum exa ) , so I am not sure , leaning on town , but only be sure If I say " This cant be A Mafia play "
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby Phone0Ix » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:57 am

Chemist1422 wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:phone with the minor tell of explaining reads after he posts them

without providing examples either

/vote Phone

James is posting negative opinions everytime someone's trying to suggest something

Does that invalidate my push on you? If not, then why are you trying to deflect?

No but you said I wasn't explaining reads so I did it. Maybe you didn't understand them. It's not like I can travel in time
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby ejjinami » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:46 pm

hereisme wrote:About Scorpio - I can see you points (bolded + underlined in the post below).
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ejjinami wrote:I think Scorpio's post was townie. It looked like a reaction to chemist's 1st posts (the ones about hypo-claiming) and had to be based on these posts only because if I remember correctly, those were chem's only posts back then.

I don't really get what you mean by it being shade, I understood it as a spontaneous tonal TR because of the difference in the amount of reasoning in these posts and in chem's posts in general
(The first one was by far the most impressive post I remember ever coming from chemist as well tbh, even though I think it's NAI)

I think scorpio's TR is absolutely dumb and rushed, but it really doesn't feel scum-motivated to me.

First off, as I said before, I think it hints to them not being scummates because of how quick and strong the read was. I would be surprised if scorpio was the type to be able to just locktown one of his buddies based on their first post in the meme-phase
And the: "Either town or some next level powerwolfing" REALLY doesn't feel like SvS to me
Way too ballsy and way too stupid imo.

And then, would scum!scorpio be that enthusiastic to give a townie a locktown read so quickly?
From my experience, dumb, rushed actions tend to be one of the most AI/honest ones and this post really made me feel that he was completely ok with giving chem an early, confident TR, which should come from town more often than scum.

But the issue I have with the rushed part of it, it could come from scum with TMI.
I've never played with them yet, so I'm still unsure of their motive.
Also, I'm not entirely sure it should be looked at as a confident TR in the first place.
1. The shade I saw was the "next level powerwolfing" comment. So not exactly confident TR.

Well, tbh it could be TMI... It could be SvS as well, but I just don't feel that's the case. Spontaneously giving out strong TRs without any good reasons feels just like sth town would be more likely to do that scum.
/shrug

And I def don't see the "or next level powerwolfing" as shade. It felt like a compliment to me -_-
Like, "you're either town, or you're incredibly good". It makes no sense if read the other way, though I see where you're coming from.


hereisme wrote:2. They forgot who they had commented about.
When Chemist asked them why they didn't comment on Eragon as well,
I'm pretty sure Scorpio thought Chem meant "why didn't you mention me(Chem)?"
So they replied with this
ScorpioDiAngelo wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Eragon towny for setting up good mechanical play

Scorpio is a FeelsWeird for mentioning me and not Eragon

TBH I forgot about you. Sorry. But yeah. Same goes for you

I'm not exactly sure if it's AI really.
But I don't think the read was confident at all.
I think it was just intended to throw shade at an active player.
And if that's the case, it would be scummy IMO.
That's why it felt AI to me when I read it.

I'm p sure you're misreading it -_-
Sure, it's written in a weird and rather awkward way, but I don't think it's very likely to be scum motivated. Chem said that "they mentioned him, but not eragon" and scorpio replied to the post directly... Just how forgetful would he need to be to think that he didn't TR chem, when he had to read chem's post just a few seconds ago. lol

hereisme wrote:Hmm okay, I hadn't really viewed his early posts as SRs.
I just thought he wasn't a fan of RVS.
What didn't you like about his recent posts?
Something I didn't like was his OMGUS vote on you.
Because he didn't elaborate if he actually SR you or not.

Again, it's not like they gave me a decent read or anything, more like, the logic didn't entirely make sense to me and I wanted to pressure/interact with him a bit more
After reading the next posts, I don't think I got anything out of it this though, he seemed to respond to everything rather naturally and his tone is ok as well

As for now, I'd say he seems like the "skeptical" type of player. His reactions don't feel forced and he seems to be interested in a lot of things at the same time, so I'd say he's good for now
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby ejjinami » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:54 pm

#reads, which I won't quote cuz I'm still posting on the phone and editing quotes is a pain

You really didn't need to elaborate on all of them xd
But thx

Besides, setup spec is normal for uzay.

Same for Eragon and he didn't impress me with anything till now either. Tbh I'm really, really, REALLY curious if I'll be able to get a good read on him in here, cuz I think I might have gotten a rather good hang of his playstyle/personality and I THINK it should make it easier for me to SR him if he rolls scum. Not 100% sure, cuz like, you never know, but I'm like really hopeful for that.

I don't think phone is scummy btw. They're tonally ok and I'm not buying the SRs based on the weak pushes. Like, not in this stage of the game, lol
And it's not like their responses were extremely bad either
/shrug


hereisme wrote:NotEx - Doesn't have many posts, claimed Cop, but I would still say scum for them at this point.

Tbh that read makes me really confident that you're town :/


And yeah, I was saying that one of the docs should out. It would have been the right strategy if the rule about cop becoming macho didn't exist, but it's unusable now. I really don't think it matters though
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby ejjinami » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:55 pm

tfiosforevah wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:phone with the minor tell of explaining reads after he posts them

without providing examples either

/vote Phone

James is posting negative opinions everytime someone's trying to suggest something

is that really a scum tell though?

A lot of stuff has happened and there's a lot of more interesting posts to comment on, yet you chose to throw shade on a really weak one without showing interest in anything else.

/vote tfio

let me tell you a theory :)
You're scum and you're just pretending to contribute, while trying to not do anything which would cause you to get noticed by the other players.

Do you have any reads? And vote if you care
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby ejjinami » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:59 pm

TheWabbit wrote:Funny enough, the same people I wrote as my scumbuddies are in the same bracket as me.

What makes ejjnami a scumlean? I think their planning (though proved to be unsuccessful) likely comes from Town.

It seems you're doing well.

And elaborate please

MafiaMenace wrote:uh
can someone teach me 'Understanding UzayAltay 101'

Pffft

MafiaMenace wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:How is RvS bad? It helps starting a conversation

towny stance

im also gonna say that he seems honestly pinged at james

^
tbh I kinda like this post

lilgangsta wrote:Uzay, Scorpio, and tfios need to post more so i can read them better.

^^^^^

UzayAltay wrote:TLDR : IMO opinion , it is between S-Scorp V-Era , or V-Scorp / ?-Era.

Prob agree with the logic, even though it's a bit weak
Assuming scorpio is scum, he had to answer the post anyways, so just easily giving a TR to a buddy (after he was asked to do it) wouldn't be that weird
I agree it would feel more natural as SvT though
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