NC and NK don't give a fuck about sides either. They hate everybody that isn't them. (Pirate just wants to steal from enough people to pull himself out of poverty. Again, he doesn't care which side those people are on.)Joacgroso wrote:I suppose by "neutral" you mean NE, since most neutrals care about who wins (NK and NC care about their faction winning, while NB and pirates don't care at all). I wouldn't say witches "barely care" since making town lose is a big deal (although I get it if we're talking about all any). I think being inherently scum sided is the point of the NE alignement. Otherwise, there's no reason not to merge it with NB, is there?. Witches have to make town lose in order to win. Executioners have to hurt town, so they are inherently scum sided (although in a bad way, since they can help town later). Jesters should be NB in my opinion, but since they are not, I'm proposing that achievements that at least encourage them to hurt town.MysticMismagius wrote:Imagine thinking that any neutral role besides Witch actually gives a damn about sides inherently
Even Witch only barely cares, and shouldn’t be held up as the norm for roles of its sub-alignment due to the fact that it doesn’t exist in half of the game
Yes I do have an All Any mindset when I say Witch barely cares. Even in Ranked, Witch doesn't care whether she works with Mafia or the NK. In practice she works with Mafia a little bit more, but only because winning with Mafia is easier, not because of any inherent connection between Witches and Mafia. Hence, Witch barely cares about sides.
Exe, which people keep using as an example for why NE cares about sides, does not actually care about sides either. He only cares about one person (same with GA). The only reason why Exe's targets can only be Town is to make the role more challenging. If your target is an evil role, then that game becomes a freebie in most cases. The target restriction is NOT to make Exe care about the conflict between the Town, Mafia, and Coven.
So I stand by what I say. No neutral role aside from Witch actually inherently gives a damn about sides. Not Jester, not Exe, not the NCs or NKs.