Achievement rework.

[Gregreat]

A few achievement suggestions:

Lookout: Watch someone who was visited by a player from the graveyard-Paranormal activity (this triggers from Medium seance, Jester haunt, and Necromancer use of a body)
Mayor: Savior achievement conditions changed to "Vote innocent on a townie who was acquitted by fewer than two votes" (the reasoning here being that they were only acquitted because of Mayor's extra voting power)
Spy: Bug a target who was killed by a Bodyguard-Counter Operations
Transporter: Have a Witch or Coven Leader attempt to control you (loop)-Stranger than Magic
Vigilante: Shoot an evil role when controlled by Witch/Coven Leader OR shoot an evil role when your target was transported-Happy Accident (this might be a bad achievement since it's entirely out of Vig's control)
Psychic: See the same player in 3 visions-Renamed to Stuck in My Head
Tracker: Watch your target visiting the graveyard-Tomb Robber (replaces "He went to the graveyard!" since I believe that Ret and Amne also register as visiting the graveyard when using their abilities, instead of just Necromancer)
Godfather: Perform a kill yourself while a Mafioso is still alive (loop)-I Want It Done Right
Mafioso: Be controlled by a Witch or Coven Leader when GF has ordered you to kill a target-Capo Control (Capo being Italian for boss, referencing the fact that GF's command would override Witch/CL)
Jester: Haunt a Veteran-Renamed to Now He Feels Bad
Have the graveyard be completely full with you having been lynched-Renamed to Last Laugh
Werewolf: Maul a killing role that visited your target-Food Chain (does not count if you stay at home on full moon night and get attacked, this meant to discourage WW staying home, which is usually a bad play)
Pirate: Plunder a Town Power role after winning-Scurvy Sailor (Town Power defined as Mayor, Jailor, Ret before reviving, and Transporter) (meant to discourage Pirates from siding with Town after they have won)
Medusa: Stone the Jailor-renamed to Jailhouse Rock

[Joacgroso]

I’m not sure but I think you forgot to give credit for the achievement “last command”

In edit 25 I said I changed its name, but I didn't say who suggested it. I will change it later.

A few achievement suggestions:

Lookout: Watch someone who was visited by a player from the graveyard-Paranormal activity (this triggers from Medium seance, Jester haunt, and Necromancer use of a body) Im pretty sure this was considered a bug, so BMG fixed it. Lookouts can't see med and jester visits anymore. I'm not sure about necromancers.
Mayor: Savior achievement conditions changed to "Vote innocent on a townie who was acquitted by fewer than two votes" (the reasoning here being that they were only acquitted because of Mayor's extra voting power) Yeah, that seems better
Spy: Bug a target who was killed by a Bodyguard-Counter Operations I don't think this one should be added. Knowing that your target was killed by a bodyguard apports nothing, since it will be announced the next day anyway.
Transporter: Have a Witch or Coven Leader attempt to control you (loop)-Stranger than Magic That usually happens for reasons out of your control.
Vigilante: Shoot an evil role when controlled by Witch/Coven Leader OR shoot an evil role when your target was transported-Happy Accident (this might be a bad achievement since it's entirely out of Vig's control) Exactly. This could even encourage vigis to shoot confirmed townies hoping they will be transported with evildoers.
Psychic: See the same player in 3 visions-Renamed to Stuck in My Head ok
Tracker: Watch your target visiting the graveyard-Tomb Robber (replaces "He went to the graveyard!" since I believe that Ret and Amne also register as visiting the graveyard when using their abilities, instead of just Necromancer) That's right.
Godfather: Perform a kill yourself while a Mafioso is still alive (loop)-I Want It Done Right This is just an achievement for having your mafioso jailed/roleblocked. I don't think it should be added.
Mafioso: Be controlled by a Witch or Coven Leader when GF has ordered you to kill a target-Capo Control (Capo being Italian for boss, referencing the fact that GF's command would override Witch/CL) Im pretty sure the witch will have higher priority. Also, this is just an achievement for being controlled.
Jester: Haunt a Veteran-Renamed to Now He Feels Bad I guess.
Have the graveyard be completely full with you having been lynched-Renamed to Last Laugh Sounds better
Werewolf: Maul a killing role that visited your target-Food Chain (does not count if you stay at home on full moon night and get attacked, this meant to discourage WW staying home, which is usually a bad play) ok
Pirate: Plunder a Town Power role after winning-Scurvy Sailor (Town Power defined as Mayor, Jailor, Ret before reviving, and Transporter) (meant to discourage Pirates from siding with Town after they have won) I'm not sure about this one. I think this isn't neccesary for pirates, since they already have many achievements and they are NB (treated as NC), they shouldn't be encouraged to kill town. I guess? If other persons say that this one should be added, I will add it.
Medusa: Stone the Jailor-renamed to Jailhouse Rock ok

Thanks you very much for your suggestions!

[Salamandos35]

Thanks for pointing out some of the problems with my achievement suggestions - the mafia ones especially were geared more towards "interesting situation" than "good play"

I have some suggestions for names/renaming:

BG achievement 2: Got your back
Doc new achievement: It will not die - save the SAME townie three times in one game (this requires idiocy from the evils, but ultimately is a good thing from Doc's perspective - if the evils are going to gamethrow to give him the achievement, they were going to throw the whole game anyway)
Medium achievement 2: Vengeance of the fallen
Medium achievement 3: The unquiet dead
Ret achievement 1: Undying guardian
Ret achievement 3: I was just on a bus (this is meant to be a reference to characters not dead, but absent from a story arc being said to be "on a bus")
Spy achievement 2.... idk if this is possible. Wouldn't this be an LO achievement if anything?
Vig achievement 2: Ideas are bulletproof (reference to V for Vendetta)
Trapper achievement 2: Taking you with me
Consort achievement 5: Mistress
Consort achievement 6: Wants me all to himself
Add Consort achievement: Dominatrix - RB Vig/Jailor who were going to kill a mafia or TIs who were going to find a mafia 4 times in one game
Disguiser replace achievement 1: Highlander - Have a town majority lynch a unique role (Ret must not have used ability) after you died disguised as them
Forger achievement 1: No secrets from the people
Survivor achievement 3: Friend to psychos
Witch achievement 4: (change to "be saved by a TP you controlled onto yourself") - Just as planned

Maybe.... for any role - Get out of my head: Be witched to visit the same target you had chosen to visit that night (I know this is luck based and doesn't really reward anything, but it might be a more workable equivalent of Greatgreat's "Capo Control")


Sorry there's not much here for Coven roles or Coven neutrals - I haven't actually played Coven outside the PTR, so I have no idea as to how it "feels" and have 0 experience with most of the roles.

[Joacgroso]

Thanks for so many suggestions! I will have a lot of things to edit tomorrow.

[BasicFourLife]

Sheriff: Check someone to be a member of the Mafia who wasn't framed, but they died as a Town member (encourages for Sheriff to confirm people as the Disguiser) - It's a FAKE ONE! / Disguiser!?! / IT WASN'T A TOWNIE
Investigator: Check 3 different people in a game who appear to be BG / GF / Arsonist, while at least one. (not sure if this would be a good one) - THEY'RE ALL DIRTY. / None of you innocent. / Dirty hands.
Mayor: Be attacked at night and survive. - Immune Mayor. / Not so easy for you it seems. / Who has the power, cannot be defeated. / I shall survive to kill every single one of you. / The power of justice.

These ideas kinda suck, but you can work around them or sth like that. No point in not saying them.

[Joacgroso]

Thanks for the suggestions! This will take me a long time to edit. There are lots of things to do

[BasicFourLife]

Thanks for the suggestions! This will take me a long time to edit. There are lots of things to do

gl with the edits.

[GoogleFeud]

What about:

"Win a game as Serial Killer/Arsonist/Werewolf (all of them should have it) without killing anyone"

Hard but possible.

[Shilster]

What about:

"Win a game as Serial Killer/Arsonist/Werewolf (all of them should have it) without killing anyone"

Hard but possible.

Why though? You have to get really lucky.

[GoogleFeud]

What about:

"Win a game as Serial Killer/Arsonist/Werewolf (all of them should have it) without killing anyone"

Hard but possible.

Why though? You have to get really lucky.

It's not that hard with 2 or more serial killers/arsonists.

Maybe WW shouldn't have it though.

[Joacgroso]

I don't like that. This encourgaes NK to do nothing, which would also reduce mafia chances of winning. Neutral killing roles shouldn't be encouraged not to kill, IMO.

[BasicFourLife]

What about:

"Win a game as Serial Killer/Arsonist/Werewolf (all of them should have it) without killing anyone"

Hard but possible.

Read the thread it says NOT TO HAVE GAMETHROWIN ACHIEVEMENTS

Sorry Google >:C

[Shilster]

What about:

"Win a game as Serial Killer/Arsonist/Werewolf (all of them should have it) without killing anyone"

Hard but possible.

Read the thread it says NOT TO HAVE GAMETHROWIN ACHIEVEMENTS

"Win a game"

[Joacgroso]

What about:

"Win a game as Serial Killer/Arsonist/Werewolf (all of them should have it) without killing anyone"

Hard but possible.

Read the thread it says NOT TO HAVE GAMETHROWIN ACHIEVEMENTS

"Win a game"

"Without killing"
This is just like "Win a game without revealing" or "win a game without cleaning any bodies" or "win a game without alerting".

[Shilster]

What about:

"Win a game as Serial Killer/Arsonist/Werewolf (all of them should have it) without killing anyone"

Hard but possible.

Read the thread it says NOT TO HAVE GAMETHROWIN ACHIEVEMENTS

"Win a game"

"Without killing"
This is just like "Win a game without revealing" or "win a game without cleaning any bodies" or "win a game without alerting".

Still isn't "Don't kill as NK".

[Joacgroso]

What about:

"Win a game as Serial Killer/Arsonist/Werewolf (all of them should have it) without killing anyone"

Hard but possible.

Read the thread it says NOT TO HAVE GAMETHROWIN ACHIEVEMENTS

"Win a game"

"Without killing"
This is just like "Win a game without revealing" or "win a game without cleaning any bodies" or "win a game without alerting".

Still isn't "Don't kill as NK".

[Joacgroso]

Thanks for pointing out some of the problems with my achievement suggestions - the mafia ones especially were geared more towards "interesting situation" than "good play"

I have some suggestions for names/renaming:

BG achievement 2: Got your back Fine
Doc new achievement: It will not die - save the SAME townie three times in one game (this requires idiocy from the evils, but ultimately is a good thing from Doc's perspective - if the evils are going to gamethrow to give him the achievement, they were going to throw the whole game anyway) I guess
Medium achievement 2: Vengeance of the fallen I think it's name is fine as it is now
Medium achievement 3: The unquiet dead Same
Ret achievement 1: Undying guardian Same
Ret achievement 3: I was just on a bus (this is meant to be a reference to characters not dead, but absent from a story arc being said to be "on a bus") Fine
Spy achievement 2.... idk if this is possible. Wouldn't this be an LO achievement if anything? It is possible. A lookout would see the escort visiting her target, but wouldn't know if he attacked her or not. And if he were watching the escort, it would be a normal way of catching an evildoer
Vig achievement 2: Ideas are bulletproof (reference to V for Vendetta) Seems good, but I don't get what has it to do with the achievement
Trapper achievement 2: Taking you with me IMO the name of this one should reference your target being protected, since trapper is TP after all.
Consort achievement 5: Mistress ok
Consort achievement 6: Wants me all to himself I'm not sure about this one
Add Consort achievement: Dominatrix - RB Vig/Jailor who were going to kill a mafia or TIs who were going to find a mafia 4 times in one game Isn't it too much? Maybe 2 or 3 times,
but not 4
Disguiser replace achievement 1: Highlander - Have a town majority lynch a unique role (Ret must not have used ability) after you died disguised as them I like this one
Forger achievement 1: No secrets from the people I prefer the original name, honestly
Survivor achievement 3: Friend to psychos This one seems better than the original
Witch achievement 4: (change to "be saved by a TP you controlled onto yourself") - Just as planned I'm not sure

Maybe.... for any role - Get out of my head: Be witched to visit the same target you had chosen to visit that night (I know this is luck based and doesn't really reward anything, but it might be a more workable equivalent of Greatgreat's "Capo Control") seems fine


Sorry there's not much here for Coven roles or Coven neutrals - I haven't actually played Coven outside the PTR, so I have no idea as to how it "feels" and have 0 experience with most of the roles.

Sheriff: Check someone to be a member of the Mafia who wasn't framed, but they died as a Town member (encourages for Sheriff to confirm people as the Disguiser) - It's a FAKE ONE! / Disguiser!?! / IT WASN'T A TOWNIE Seems good
Investigator: Check 3 different people in a game who appear to be BG / GF / Arsonist, while at least one. (not sure if this would be a good one) - THEY'RE ALL DIRTY. / None of you innocent. / Dirty hands. I'm not sure about this one
Mayor: Be attacked at night and survive. - Immune Mayor. / Not so easy for you it seems. / Who has the power, cannot be defeated. / I shall survive to kill every single one of you. / The power of justice. This would happens for reasons out of his control. I don't think it should be added.

These ideas kinda suck, but you can work around them or sth like that. No point in not saying them. They are not that bad, come on!

I'm editing the post. Thanks for your suggestions! My opinion is in green. Maybe it would be better if renames weren't so suggested, since the person who suggested the achievement should be able to choose its name.
edit: About Dominatrix, I've just noticed there's already a very similar one, so I won't add it. See "Mafia members saving lives".

[Joacgroso]

Finally I ended editing the post! It took me an eternity. Thanks you for all your suggestions!

[BasicFourLife]

Finally I ended editing the post! It took me an eternity. Thanks you for all your suggestions!

yay

[BasicFourLife]

I'm just looking at your new achievements and I think every role should have 3 - 5 achievements (the general + win a certain amount of games won't count), to balance it out. If there are so many achievements in the game it would be hard to unlock them all and balance them. Some achievement are there just to have like "exe the exe" that don't award good play or find a member of the mafia / coven, that are just mostly bases on rng. I'm not saying these achievements are bad, but what I am trying to say that achievements should award good plays, feel special, make you feel good. I think there should be a SLIGHT REWORK TO YOUR ACHIEVEMENT REWORK ABOUT REWORKS. These are just my thoughts, you don't have to use these. I am just saying my opinion.

[Joacgroso]

Thanks for answering! The one about exeing the exe will only be awarded if the jailor does it before the exe wins, which is a good play since vigis can't kill exes. And I think achievements for finding scum as sheriff are good. Of course I know some roles (like jesters) have too many achievements, but if this were implemented, BMG would be free to choose what to add and what not to add. This is so they have many options. Anyway, which ones would you remove? Also, thanks for the bump

[BasicFourLife]

Thanks for answering! The one about exeing the exe will only be awarded if the jailor does it before the exe wins, which is a good play since vigis can't kill exes. And I think achievements for finding scum as sheriff are good. Of course I know some roles (like jesters) have too many achievements, but if this were implemented, BMG would be free to choose what to add and what not to add. This is so they have many options. Anyway, which ones would you remove? Also, thanks for the bump

Umm don't ask from me. I really don't have ideas atm.

[Jackparrot]

Another one:
Big catch: as trapper, get a werewolf

[Joacgroso]

Thanks for the bump
I will add it now.

[Shilster]

How about "Have the Mafioso trigger your trap" (Traps over guns) for Trapper?