Achievement rework.

[Joacgroso]

Thanks you very much for posting here!
Also, in 9), what achievements are you refering to?

[Flare12332]

Thanks you very much for posting here!
Also, in 9), what achievements are you refering to?

Consort RB the GF and Trapper win a game

[dyaomaster]

Okay, ignore the above post as they obviously didn't read the thread.

[Joacgroso]

He probably didn't read it, but at least posted his suggestions here.

[Flare12332]

He probably didn't read it, but at least posted his suggestions here.

you got it right I did not really read the OP

[Flare12332]

and another thing getting killed by the SK as escort is a valid strategy because that will Point out the SK

[Joacgroso]

It encourages escorts to die, while they would be more useful if they prevent the mafioso from killing once gf dies. If they suspect someone as SK, they can VFR him.

[Flare12332]

It encourages escorts to die, while they would be more useful if they prevent the mafioso from killing once gf dies. If they suspect someone as SK, they can VFR him.

what does VFR mean?

[Joacgroso]

"Vote for role".

[Joacgroso]

I know it's really late, but I finally edited the post. Sorry.
Any other feedback? Suggestions for the roles with less achievements (for example, hypnotists) would be appreciated

[TheLeafeonKid]

As always, Joacgroso, you have amazing ideas and I will almost always support you in them

[Aviel]

I /support, and now 69 people support in the vote.

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[BasicFourLife]

I /support, and now 69 people support in the vote.

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[Aviel]

I mean on the top side, let's assume the bottom yes means no.

[Joacgroso]

Thanks for the feedback guys!

[Purple998]

Achievement for buying all characters.

[Joacgroso]

Rewarding people with MP because they bought all skins doesn't make much sense. Also, there are new skins in each update, so how would that work? Thanks for the suggestion, btw.

[NasubiNori]

/support

General
Tricked you Will probably get looped a lot because of VFR, so I think it should be 1 time only or gives a very low reward. Getting innoed because you claimed during VFR is not a skilled play. It's a basic and expected play.
Justice prevails should be 3 town instead of 2. Although it is technically possible, this could end up being a pain to get.
have a lover in lovers mode, or win with a lover in a lover win. be my valentine
Be the VIP, or win as the VIP. backstage pass

Jailor
Possible alt name from jail protection to witness protection program

Mayor
Savior could absolutely abused, if it's included it should be 1 time, it also would activate in VFR.
I don't mind the reveal D1 or be acquitted without revealing achievements. Mayors reveal D1 all the time and lead the town to victory, so it's not necessarily a bad play. The be acquitted one also tends to force the mayor to reveal immediately after being innoed, and then the game proceedes as normal.

Sheriff
Gotcha framer! I don't like this one, because I don't think rechecking is a good play. I assume that they would likely be framed again, so my time is better spent elsewhere using scumreading from the accusation the day before. They could also be mafioso turned GF if the GF died.

Veteran
Could there be a negative value loop achievement for saying "TP/Lo" on me or "jailor", etc. (keywords from chat) D1; and then alerting N1?

Ambusher
Ambush a trapper, Got Here First

Amnesiac
Remember you were a GA, Long Lost Love or some other cliche romance plot reference, since amnesia is used so often there as a plot device.
Remember you were a vigilante, I must be the hero. same as above but referencing how it's used in videogames so often.

Jester
I don't think the haunt GF/SK/Arso needs to be removed. At this point the jester can do whatever they want, maybe just add the town achievements so it's balanced.

Vampire/VH
The If you can't beat them, join them achievement should be moved to the VH being converted after turing vig, since the name works better in that context. Or change the wording to "be a VH that was turned after becoming vig" and still have it be a vamp achievement that only the newly turned Vig gets.
I think the vampire version should be a reference to a vampire hunter that got bitten in pop culture. (none come to mind off the top of my head right now.) Maybe Not the Neck or irony could be OK for now as a placeholder.

Hex master
Hex a mafia member, who's side are you on again?
Hex a GA's target, Blessing and a Curse

[OnlyA]

One thing:

Achievements may not be obtained with a party or in Custom (too easy to farm them)

[Joacgroso]

Thanks you very much for the feedback!

/support

General
Tricked you Will probably get looped a lot because of VFR, so I think it should be 1 time only or gives a very low reward. Getting innoed because you claimed during VFR is not a skilled play. It's a basic and expected play. True, I will change it to not-loop.
Justice prevails should be 3 town instead of 2. Although it is technically possible, this could end up being a pain to get. It could be possible to gain in rainbow. In fact, this could give it more life.
have a lover in lovers mode, or win with a lover in a lover win. be my valentine
Be the VIP, or win as the VIP. backstage pass Actually, there are already suggested achievements for winning in those gamemodes. Although I think there should be achievements for winning as lovers. Also, instead of winning as the VIP, which is pretty luck based, it would be better if the achievement were "win as a coven member in VIP", which is way harder.

Jailor
Possible alt name from jail protection to witness protection program Great idea!

Mayor
Savior could absolutely abused, if it's included it should be 1 time, it also would activate in VFR. But this one isn't a loop achievement. I think it's pretty fine as it is.
I don't mind the reveal D1 or be acquitted without revealing achievements. Mayors reveal D1 all the time and lead the town to victory, so it's not necessarily a bad play. The be acquitted one also tends to force the mayor to reveal immediately after being innoed, and then the game proceedes as normal. I thought mayors should reveal day 2 so all protectives could be on jailor. But it's true that revealing early isn't a bad play at all. And no, the one of being acquitted is totally stupid. You say that it forces mayors to reveal inmediately after being innoed, but why the heck shouldn't they reveal on trial in order to prevent their own misslynch? Waiting to be innoed is dumb af, totally gamethrowing.

Sheriff
Gotcha framer! I don't like this one, because I don't think rechecking is a good play. I assume that they would likely be framed again, so my time is better spent elsewhere using scumreading from the accusation the day before. They could also be mafioso turned GF if the GF died. Hm, true. Although I think this achievement would fit classic mode, so I'm not sure. I would like to hear other people's opinions about this one.

Veteran
Could there be a negative value loop achievement for saying "TP/Lo" on me or "jailor", etc. (keywords from chat) D1; and then alerting N1? So you are suggesting negative achievements?
Isn't baiting town already reportable? I'm also not sure. Having an achievement for that would encourage vets to do it, even if they lose some MP.

Ambusher
Ambush a trapper, Got Here First Good idea!

Amnesiac
Remember you were a GA, Long Lost Love or some other cliche romance plot reference, since amnesia is used so often there as a plot device. Amnesiacs already have an achievement for remembering a neutral benign role. I don't think this one is needed.
Remember you were a vigilante, I must be the hero. same as above but referencing how it's used in videogames so often. I'm also not sure about this. They already have lots of achievements. I don't think they should be rewarded for choosing town, since they usually choose town anyway due to the high winrate. Besides, if we wanted to encourage them to remember town,
then we should give them an achievement for remembering trans, the strongest rememberable town role.

Jester
I don't think the haunt GF/SK/Arso needs to be removed. At this point the jester can do whatever they want, maybe just add the town achievements so it's balanced. If jesters were changed to NB, then yes. But as long as they stay as NE, they should only have achievements for haunting town.

Vampire/VH
The If you can't beat them, join them achievement should be moved to the VH being converted after turing vig, since the name works better in that context. Or change the wording to "be a VH that was turned after becoming vig" and still have it be a vamp achievement that only the newly turned Vig gets. This would encourage vampire hunters to gamethrow by letting vamps bite them, which is against the point of this thread.
I think the vampire version should be a reference to a vampire hunter that got bitten in pop culture. (none come to mind off the top of my head right now.) Maybe Not the Neck or irony could be OK for now as a placeholder. Idk

Hex master
Hex a mafia member, who's side are you on again? That would be pretty pointless, since maf members can be found by TIs anyway
Hex a GA's target, Blessing and a Curse Can't GAs purge their targets from hexing? Even if they couldn't, I think this one is pretty pointless.

One thing:

Achievements may not be obtained with a party or in Custom (too easy to farm them)

Great idea! I will add it to the OP. However, I think this should only apply if party members gave you the achievement. For example, if you were vigi and you shot 3 evildoers, while none of you party members were from that factions, then you would deserve the achievement. But if one of them were a mafia member, and one of your party members were from the mafia, then you shouldn't get it.
Thanks for the suggestion!

Does anyone else have feedback about the suggestions above?

[qwertyuiopl]

However, I think this should only apply if party members gave you the achievement. For example, if you were vigi and you shot 3 evildoers, while none of you party members were from that factions, then you would deserve the achievement. But if one of them were a mafia member, and one of your party members were from the mafia, then you shouldn't get it.
Thanks for the suggestion!

But then if someone actually deserved to get the achievement and was in a party they wouldn't get it. And that's like saying that people in parties shouldn't get wins or losses; just because some people would farm achievements, doesn't mean the majority would, or that that minority should affect every party in the game.

[Joacgroso]

That's why I said that they should gain achievements if they couldn't have cheated. For example, if you find a maf member as sheriff, and no partymates were mafia, then you would get it. Otherwise you wouldn't. If you cleaned the jailor as janitor and your partymate wasn't the jailor or a role that investigated the jailor, then you would get it. Idk, it may be hard to implement though.

[NasubiNori]

Thanks you very much for the feedback!

/support

I've left out anything I don't feel the need to comment specifically on.

Mayor
Savior could absolutely abused, if it's included it should be 1 time, it also would activate in VFR. But this one isn't a loop achievement. I think it's pretty fine as it is.
I didn't mean that it would be abused, just that it is not rewarding anything. This occurs naturally in any ranked game, it's more like the "investigate someone" auto achievement you get as invest without really doing anything for it.
I don't mind the reveal D1 or be acquitted without revealing achievements. Mayors reveal D1 all the time and lead the town to victory, so it's not necessarily a bad play. The be acquitted one also tends to force the mayor to reveal immediately after being innoed, and then the game proceedes as normal. I thought mayors should reveal day 2 so all protectives could be on jailor. But it's true that revealing early isn't a bad play at all. And no, the one of being acquitted is totally stupid. You say that it forces mayors to reveal inmediately after being innoed, but why the heck shouldn't they reveal on trial in order to prevent their own misslynch? Waiting to be innoed is dumb af, totally gamethrowing.
What people typically do when they get this achievement is tell the town that they are going for it and ask for their cooperation with the promise to reveal right after. While it could be seen as wasting time for the town, I have used it to scumread before. So it's not completely without uses. In passive towns that don't VFR D2 it's basically the same as revealing D1 since they weren't going to do anything anyway. Don't care that much about it though tbh, so I'm not gonna fite about it.

Veteran
Could there be a negative value loop achievement for saying "TP/Lo" on me or "jailor", etc. (keywords from chat) D1; and then alerting N1? So you are suggesting negative achievements?
Isn't baiting town already reportable? I'm also not sure. Having an achievement for that would encourage vets to do it, even if they lose some MP.
lol, this was a 100% a joke suggestion. You were supposed to laugh and ignore it. Negative achievements should not be a thing. If you wanted to punish bad plays you should just get notified of it post game and not list it, because people will try to fill out the list, but even then there will be some people that try to get them anyway. I don't think baiting like this is reportable unless the person admitted they were trying to kill town. It would be treated as bad play, the fact that we can't do anything about it is the joke.

Jester
I don't think the haunt GF/SK/Arso needs to be removed. At this point the jester can do whatever they want, maybe just add the town achievements so it's balanced. If jesters were changed to NB, then yes. But as long as they stay as NE, they should only have achievements for haunting town.
I don't consider NE to be obligated to side evil though (except for witch obviously). There have been plenty of times that a jester or EXE wins the game for town, and that's fine. If there are going to be rewards that break this neutrality, the rewards need to be neutral too. Half for one way and half for the other. I understand that town dominates in ranked and don't need the extra help but I am thinking about other gamemodes too, achievements can be acquired everywhere.

Vampire/VH
The If you can't beat them, join them achievement should be moved to the VH being converted after turing vig, since the name works better in that context. Or change the wording to "be a VH that was turned after becoming vig" and still have it be a vamp achievement that only the newly turned Vig gets. This would encourage vampire hunters to gamethrow by letting vamps bite them, which is against the point of this thread.
I think the vampire version should be a reference to a vampire hunter that got bitten in pop culture. (none come to mind off the top of my head right now.) Maybe Not the Neck or irony could be OK for now as a placeholder. Idk
Well, I still don't like the name if you can't beat them, join them for vampires. This seems to be better suited for the VH/Vigs point of view. The vamps should have something more triumphant since they have successfully subdued their greatest enemy in the worst way possible. (If I come up with something I'll post it, but my mind is a blank) It's kinda like live once die twice anyway since the conditions to get it are so specific you almost need to "arrange" them to get the achievement, (or get incredibly lucky) so I don't think this is a huge deal regardless.

A lot of my other suggestions were half jokes in the sense of "here's a cute name for a specific situation" but are neutral plays, so feel free to ignore them.

[Joacgroso]

Thanks you very much for the feedback!

/support

I've left out anything I don't feel the need to comment specifically on.

Mayor
Savior could absolutely abused, if it's included it should be 1 time, it also would activate in VFR. But this one isn't a loop achievement. I think it's pretty fine as it is.
I didn't mean that it would be abused, just that it is not rewarding anything. This occurs naturally in any ranked game, it's more like the "investigate someone" auto achievement you get as invest without really doing anything for it. VFR is not so common outside ranked. It would be a good achievement for newbies in gamemodes like classic, where vfr doesn't happen.
I don't mind the reveal D1 or be acquitted without revealing achievements. Mayors reveal D1 all the time and lead the town to victory, so it's not necessarily a bad play. The be acquitted one also tends to force the mayor to reveal immediately after being innoed, and then the game proceedes as normal. I thought mayors should reveal day 2 so all protectives could be on jailor. But it's true that revealing early isn't a bad play at all. And no, the one of being acquitted is totally stupid. You say that it forces mayors to reveal inmediately after being innoed, but why the heck shouldn't they reveal on trial in order to prevent their own misslynch? Waiting to be innoed is dumb af, totally gamethrowing.
What people typically do when they get this achievement is tell the town that they are going for it and ask for their cooperation with the promise to reveal right after. While it could be seen as wasting time for the town, I have used it to scumread before. So it's not completely without uses. In passive towns that don't VFR D2 it's basically the same as revealing D1 since they weren't going to do anything anyway. Don't care that much about it though tbh, so I'm not gonna fite about it.
That is just letting scum try to misslynch you. In the best case, you gain nothing; in the worst case, town loses their mayor. That achievement is totally pointless.
Veteran
Could there be a negative value loop achievement for saying "TP/Lo" on me or "jailor", etc. (keywords from chat) D1; and then alerting N1? So you are suggesting negative achievements?
Isn't baiting town already reportable? I'm also not sure. Having an achievement for that would encourage vets to do it, even if they lose some MP.
lol, this was a 100% a joke suggestion. You were supposed to laugh and ignore it. Negative achievements should not be a thing. If you wanted to punish bad plays you should just get notified of it post game and not list it, because people will try to fill out the list, but even then there will be some people that try to get them anyway. I don't think baiting like this is reportable unless the person admitted they were trying to kill town. It would be treated as bad play, the fact that we can't do anything about it is the joke.
Oops, I didn't get it.
Jester
I don't think the haunt GF/SK/Arso needs to be removed. At this point the jester can do whatever they want, maybe just add the town achievements so it's balanced. If jesters were changed to NB, then yes. But as long as they stay as NE, they should only have achievements for haunting town.
I don't consider NE to be obligated to side evil though (except for witch obviously). There have been plenty of times that a jester or EXE wins the game for town, and that's fine. If there are going to be rewards that break this neutrality, the rewards need to be neutral too. Half for one way and half for the other. I understand that town dominates in ranked and don't need the extra help but I am thinking about other gamemodes too, achievements can be acquired everywhere.
I guess we can agree to disagree. Imo all neutral evil roles should only be able to win if town loses. This would make the NE slot way less swingy and would help a lot to balance the game.
Vampire/VH
The If you can't beat them, join them achievement should be moved to the VH being converted after turing vig, since the name works better in that context. Or change the wording to "be a VH that was turned after becoming vig" and still have it be a vamp achievement that only the newly turned Vig gets. This would encourage vampire hunters to gamethrow by letting vamps bite them, which is against the point of this thread.
I think the vampire version should be a reference to a vampire hunter that got bitten in pop culture. (none come to mind off the top of my head right now.) Maybe Not the Neck or irony could be OK for now as a placeholder. Idk
Well, I still don't like the name if you can't beat them, join them for vampires. This seems to be better suited for the VH/Vigs point of view. The vamps should have something more triumphant since they have successfully subdued their greatest enemy in the worst way possible. (If I come up with something I'll post it, but my mind is a blank) It's kinda like live once die twice anyway since the conditions to get it are so specific you almost need to "arrange" them to get the achievement, (or get incredibly lucky) so I don't think this is a huge deal regardless.
I guess you are right. If you suggest a better name, I will change it.
A lot of my other suggestions were half jokes in the sense of "here's a cute name for a specific situation" but are neutral plays, so feel free to ignore them.
I guess I need a joke detector :/

Thanks you very much for your feedback!

[NasubiNori]

I guess I need a joke detector :/

Eh, don't worry about it, I have a very odd warped sense of humor. People either find my jokes hilarious or don't get it at all. (in the sense of don't get why I think it was funny) The fact that I do straight man and always make them while looking 100% serious doesn't help...