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Re: Achievement rework. (Added petition, please vote)

Postby Jackparrot » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:41 am

Here’s another one

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Postby Shilster » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:17 am

Joacgroso wrote:edit25: Replaced the name of "Should abstained" with "Last command", for jesters. Special thanks to Jackpattor.

Joacgroso wrote:Special thanks to Jackpattor.

Joacgroso wrote:Jackpattor.
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Postby Joacgroso » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:32 am

Shilster wrote:How about "Have the Mafioso trigger your trap" (Traps over guns) for Trapper?

Shouldn't it be "Have the gf trigger your trap?"

Also, amnes can't remember unique town roles.

edit: I've just noticed I already have an achievement for having a NK trigger your trap, so the ww achievement is pointless. I will remove it.
Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.

I still hope one day the game will have private lobbies. They would really help.
Also, please nerf vampire hunters.
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Postby Shilster » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:27 pm

Joacgroso wrote:
Shilster wrote:How about "Have the Mafioso trigger your trap" (Traps over guns) for Trapper?

Shouldn't it be "Have the gf trigger your trap?"

Also, amnes can't remember unique town roles.

edit: I've just noticed I already have an achievement for having a NK trigger your trap, so the ww achievement is pointless. I will remove it.

Mafioso does the dirty work for GF.
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Postby Joacgroso » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:46 pm

Shilster wrote:
Joacgroso wrote:
Shilster wrote:How about "Have the Mafioso trigger your trap" (Traps over guns) for Trapper?

Shouldn't it be "Have the gf trigger your trap?"

Also, amnes can't remember unique town roles.

edit: I've just noticed I already have an achievement for having a NK trigger your trap, so the ww achievement is pointless. I will remove it.

Mafioso does the dirty work for GF.

That's why killing the gf is even better.
Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.

I still hope one day the game will have private lobbies. They would really help.
Also, please nerf vampire hunters.
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Re: Achievement rework. (Added petition, please vote)

Postby Shilster » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:57 pm

Joacgroso wrote:
Shilster wrote:
Joacgroso wrote:
Shilster wrote:How about "Have the Mafioso trigger your trap" (Traps over guns) for Trapper?

Shouldn't it be "Have the gf trigger your trap?"

Also, amnes can't remember unique town roles.

edit: I've just noticed I already have an achievement for having a NK trigger your trap, so the ww achievement is pointless. I will remove it.

Mafioso does the dirty work for GF.

That's why killing the gf is even better.

Up to you.
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Re: Achievement rework. (Added petition, please vote)

Postby qwertyuiopl » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:03 am

Why not just split the difference?
"Have a mafia killing role trigger your trap"
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Re: Achievement rework. (Added petition, please vote)

Postby BasicFourLife » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:57 am

qwertyuiopl wrote:Why not just split the difference?
"Have a mafia killing role trigger your trap"

excatly what I thought.
Add this!
RNG is never good for any strategy based game. Please learn the definition of what that means, especially if you're one of the people constantly defending it.

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Postby Shilster » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:01 am

Mafia Killing sounds too specific.
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Postby Jackparrot » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:40 am

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Postby qwertyuiopl » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:16 am

Shilster wrote:Mafia Killing sounds too specific.

Ok
"Kill a mafia role with a trap"
I'm pretty sure only killing roles die to traps, right?
Jackparrot wrote:(Needs name) As docter save someone from poisoner

"Found the antidote" or something like that.
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Postby Shilster » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:34 am

qwertyuiopl wrote:
Shilster wrote:Mafia Killing sounds too specific.

Ok
"Kill a mafia role with a trap"
I'm pretty sure only killing roles die to traps, right?

Yes.

Visiting roles only trigger the trap, though.
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Postby Joacgroso » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:21 am

Fine, I will add them. Thanks for the suggestions!
Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.

I still hope one day the game will have private lobbies. They would really help.
Also, please nerf vampire hunters.
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Re: Achievement rework. (Added petition, please vote)

Postby CsBlastoise » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:47 pm

All right, I finally got through the whole thing! Overall, /support! Now, for feedback:
Joacgroso wrote:General achievements:
- Be acquitted with at least 10 innocent votes. - I'm just a townie
In theory, this might be feasible, but from my experience playing ToS, it would probably actually be near-impossible in practice because it almost never happens that someone gets so many inno votes unless people are voting people up for roles. Voting inno in ToS is generally not a thing.
Joacgroso wrote:Escort:
- Roleblock a vigilante who was going to be controlled that night. - [More attractive] than the witch
I altered a bit of the quote (as you could probably tell from the brackets) because the name it was actually given is just… no. This is a essentially a G-rated/E-rated game (it even has a chat filter enabled by default), and I know it's played by middle schoolers, so it's not much of a stretch to say that young, innocent children play this game, not to mention adults who strongly dislike hearing or seeing inappropriate language, even within mature audiences (obviously I am such a person to a degree). Sure, it's not outright swearing, but still, change it ASAP, please!
Joacgroso wrote:Jailor:
- Execute an executioner before he gets his target lynched. - That's MY job
This name, I like: I mean, isn't it funny how the one role that performs executions is not the Executioner?
Joacgroso wrote:Consigliere:
- Find a transporter. - (only if you selected the real transporter and he didn't transport himself with someone else). LGB (This one is a bad joke. I'm not sure if its appropiated or not, but I have no other ideas).
(Sic. I believe you meant to say "appropriate". Anyway…)
Yes, this is a twofold bad joke: it might not go down so well with people who are/support that type, and it certainly won't go down well with people who are opposed to that whole concept (and, frankly, I am in the latter group).
Joacgroso wrote:Amnesiac:
- Remember that you were a neutral killing role (or plaguebearer/Pestilence) and win the game (loop). - I hate everyone
No, that name is not appropriate. It's not as bad as Escort-Witch (why am I comparing them?), but, still, get a better one.
Joacgroso wrote:Juggernaut:
- Kill a coven member who was being healed by the potion master. - I'm the Juggernaut, witches!
This, in contrast to Witch-Escort, I like because, whether you realized it or not, it's a good G-rated pun on a swear that will fly right over the heads of the innocent.
Joacgroso wrote:Hex master:
- Kill 5 players (loop). - Hex in the city
This probably more obvious pun on adult content is also nice, but maybe it's not quite as good as the Jugger-Coven one precisely because it's more obvious.

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Favorite role: Consigliere (Ever played a game with two Consigs? It tips the balance severely in favor of the Mafia, but that's what makes it so fun when you're one of them!)
After that, it's Godfather and Mafioso, I guess. I prefer to play as Mafia in general because then I have allies, and the killing roles are the most straightforward.
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Postby Shilster » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:56 pm

CsBlastoise wrote:408
OR
;)

What do you mean by this?
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Postby CsBlastoise » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:58 pm

Shilster wrote:
CsBlastoise wrote:408
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;)

What do you mean by this?
Just referring to what I know Joac from. That's where the count was at that time.
Favorite role: Consigliere (Ever played a game with two Consigs? It tips the balance severely in favor of the Mafia, but that's what makes it so fun when you're one of them!)
After that, it's Godfather and Mafioso, I guess. I prefer to play as Mafia in general because then I have allies, and the killing roles are the most straightforward.
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Postby Joacgroso » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:31 pm

CsBlastoise wrote:All right, I finally got through the whole thing! Overall, /support! Now, for feedback:
Joacgroso wrote:General achievements:
- Be acquitted with at least 10 innocent votes. - I'm just a townie
In theory, this might be feasible, but from my experience playing ToS, it would probably actually be near-impossible in practice because it almost never happens that someone gets so many inno votes unless people are voting people up for roles. Voting inno in ToS is generally not a thing. It's quite easy if you are mayor jailor, but I could reduce it to 7 inno votes, since there are usually 9 or 8 townies per game.
Joacgroso wrote:Escort:
- Roleblock a vigilante who was going to be controlled that night. - [More attractive] than the witch
I altered a bit of the quote (as you could probably tell from the brackets) because the name it was actually given is just… no. This is a essentially a G-rated/E-rated game (it even has a chat filter enabled by default), and I know it's played by middle schoolers, so it's not much of a stretch to say that young, innocent children play this game, not to mention adults who strongly dislike hearing or seeing inappropriate language, even within mature audiences (obviously I am such a person to a degree). Sure, it's not outright swearing, but still, change it ASAP, please! Fine, I guess. Since english is not my main language, my sense of apropiate words isn't good.
Joacgroso wrote:Jailor:
- Execute an executioner before he gets his target lynched. - That's MY job
This name, I like: I mean, isn't it funny how the one role that performs executions is not the Executioner?
Joacgroso wrote:Consigliere:
- Find a transporter. - (only if you selected the real transporter and he didn't transport himself with someone else). LGB (This one is a bad joke. I'm not sure if its appropiated or not, but I have no other ideas).
(Sic. I believe you meant to say "appropriate". Anyway…)
Yes, this is a twofold bad joke: it might not go down so well with people who are/support that type, and it certainly won't go down well with people who are opposed to that whole concept (and, frankly, I am in the latter group). Fine, but do you have any better suggestion?
Joacgroso wrote:Amnesiac:
- Remember that you were a neutral killing role (or plaguebearer/Pestilence) and win the game (loop). - I hate everyone
No, that name is not appropriate. It's not as bad as Escort-Witch (why am I comparing them?), but, still, get a better one. Wait, do you think this one isn't appropiate? It might be uncreative, but I don't think it's not appropiate. Do you have any better name for it?
Joacgroso wrote:Juggernaut:
- Kill a coven member who was being healed by the potion master. - I'm the Juggernaut, witches!
This, in contrast to Witch-Escort, I like because, whether you realized it or not, it's a good G-rated pun on a swear that will fly right over the heads of the innocent.
Joacgroso wrote:Hex master:
- Kill 5 players (loop). - Hex in the city
This probably more obvious pun on adult content is also nice, but maybe it's not quite as good as the Jugger-Coven one precisely because it's more obvious. It's also an episode from the Simpsons.

408
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Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.

I still hope one day the game will have private lobbies. They would really help.
Also, please nerf vampire hunters.
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Postby Joacgroso » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:38 pm

I will edit the post soon.
Shilster wrote:
Joacgroso wrote:edit25: Replaced the name of "Should abstained" with "Last command", for jesters. Special thanks to Jackpattor.

Joacgroso wrote:Special thanks to Jackpattor.

Joacgroso wrote:Jackpattor.

Lol, I haven't seen this before. I will fix it too :lol:
Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.

I still hope one day the game will have private lobbies. They would really help.
Also, please nerf vampire hunters.
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Re: Achievement rework. (Added petition, please vote)

Postby budewfan01 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:54 pm

Posting here about the Janitor achievement for cleaning someone the mafia didn't target
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Postby BasicFourLife » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:58 pm

budewfan01 wrote:Posting here about the Janitor achievement for cleaning someone the mafia didn't target


Encourages gamethrowing and wasting cleans, and 100% luck, unless you somehow convince a Vig or a NK to target the same target as you clean, it won't work.
RNG is never good for any strategy based game. Please learn the definition of what that means, especially if you're one of the people constantly defending it.

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Re: Achievement rework. (Added petition, please vote)

Postby CsBlastoise » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:09 pm

Joacgroso wrote:
CsBlastoise wrote:All right, I finally got through the whole thing! Overall, /support! Now, for feedback:
Joacgroso wrote:General achievements:
- Be acquitted with at least 10 innocent votes. - I'm just a townie
In theory, this might be feasible, but from my experience playing ToS, it would probably actually be near-impossible in practice because it almost never happens that someone gets so many inno votes unless people are voting people up for roles. Voting inno in ToS is generally not a thing.
It's quite easy if you are mayor jailor, but I could reduce it to 7 inno votes, since there are usually 9 or 8 townies per game.
It's still a lot, but I won't complain. The thought occurred to me that the existence of an achievement like this might encourage people to vote inno more (I mean, the whole point of the achievements we're suggesting is that they should encourage the good play they rightfully reward). Then again, maybe it won't, since the ones voting aren't the ones receiving the achievement (plus, people might be oblivious to it, scum usually has no good reason to inno, and town is usually dumb anyway). Still, I won't complain: I think it's a good idea to put it in because it does encourage the player on trial to play well, and it might also discourage stupidity in the town (I don't see why it should cause dumb voting habits to increase).
Joacgroso wrote:
CsBlastoise wrote:
Joacgroso wrote:Escort:
- Roleblock a vigilante who was going to be controlled that night. - [More attractive] than the witch
I altered a bit of the quote (as you could probably tell from the brackets) because the name it was actually given is just… no. This is a essentially a G-rated/E-rated game (it even has a chat filter enabled by default), and I know it's played by middle schoolers, so it's not much of a stretch to say that young, innocent children play this game, not to mention adults who strongly dislike hearing or seeing inappropriate language, even within mature audiences (obviously I am such a person to a degree). Sure, it's not outright swearing, but still, change it ASAP, please!
Fine, I guess. Since english is not my main language, my sense of apropiate words isn't good.
Thanks for changing it, but I realize now that "Prettier than the Witch" would flow better (yet I have a nagging feeling that it's still awkward English).
Joacgroso wrote:
CsBlastoise wrote:
Joacgroso wrote:Consigliere:
- Find a transporter. - (only if you selected the real transporter and he didn't transport himself with someone else). LGB (This one is a bad joke. I'm not sure if its appropiated or not, but I have no other ideas).
(Sic. I believe you meant to say "appropriate". Anyway…)
Yes, this is a twofold bad joke: it might not go down so well with people who are/support that type, and it certainly won't go down well with people who are opposed to that whole concept (and, frankly, I am in the latter group).
Fine, but do you have any better suggestion?
No, I don't have any suggestions. I'll try to come up with one.
Also, sorry if any part of my feedback for this achievement came across as harsh to anyone.
Joacgroso wrote:
CsBlastoise wrote:
Joacgroso wrote:Amnesiac:
- Remember that you were a neutral killing role (or plaguebearer/Pestilence) and win the game (loop). - I hate everyone
No, that name is not appropriate. It's not as bad as Escort-Witch (why am I comparing them?), but, still, get a better one.
Wait, do you think this one isn't appropiate? It might be uncreative, but I don't think it's not appropiate. Do you have any better name for it?
Woah, I don't think I conveyed that quite right. I guess I put on a parenting hat for a moment (and I'm not even a parent): "No, Johnny, we don't say 'hate'; it's too strong a word" — that's the oversimplification.
Figuring out for myself whether or not this name is actually a problem is going to feel a lot like digging myself out of a hole.
Joacgroso wrote:
CsBlastoise wrote:
Joacgroso wrote:Hex master:
- Kill 5 players (loop). - Hex in the city
This probably more obvious pun on adult content is also nice, but maybe it's not quite as good as the Jugger-Coven one precisely because it's more obvious.
It's also an episode from the Simpsons.
Huh, I don't watch The Simpsons, so I had no idea. Just to be clear, do you mean "Hex in the city" is a Simpsons episode?
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Favorite role: Consigliere (Ever played a game with two Consigs? It tips the balance severely in favor of the Mafia, but that's what makes it so fun when you're one of them!)
After that, it's Godfather and Mafioso, I guess. I prefer to play as Mafia in general because then I have allies, and the killing roles are the most straightforward.
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Re: Achievement rework. (Added petition, please vote)

Postby CsBlastoise » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:15 pm

CsBlastoise wrote:
Joacgroso wrote:
CsBlastoise wrote:
Joacgroso wrote:Consigliere:
- Find a transporter. - (only if you selected the real transporter and he didn't transport himself with someone else). LGB (This one is a bad joke. I'm not sure if its appropiated or not, but I have no other ideas).
(Sic. I believe you meant to say "appropriate". Anyway…)
Yes, this is a twofold bad joke: it might not go down so well with people who are/support that type, and it certainly won't go down well with people who are opposed to that whole concept (and, frankly, I am in the latter group).
Fine, but do you have any better suggestion?
No, I don't have any suggestions. I'll try to come up with one.
Also, sorry if any part of my feedback for this achievement came across as harsh to anyone.
I feel like a response to that last line similar to the following is inevitable: "What about that is harsh anyway?" Answer: I'm overly concerned about accidentally looking too mean. I mean, this can be a touchy subject.
Favorite role: Consigliere (Ever played a game with two Consigs? It tips the balance severely in favor of the Mafia, but that's what makes it so fun when you're one of them!)
After that, it's Godfather and Mafioso, I guess. I prefer to play as Mafia in general because then I have allies, and the killing roles are the most straightforward.
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Postby CsBlastoise » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:29 pm

CsBlastoise wrote:
Joacgroso wrote:
CsBlastoise wrote:
Joacgroso wrote:Consigliere:
- Find a transporter. - (only if you selected the real transporter and he didn't transport himself with someone else). LGB (This one is a bad joke. I'm not sure if its appropiated or not, but I have no other ideas).
(Sic. I believe you meant to say "appropriate". Anyway…)
Yes, this is a twofold bad joke: it might not go down so well with people who are/support that type, and it certainly won't go down well with people who are opposed to that whole concept (and, frankly, I am in the latter group).
Fine, but do you have any better suggestion?
No, I don't have any suggestions. I'll try to come up with one.
I'm brainstorming now, thinking along the lines of switching:
I considered "Your switching days are numbered," since the Maf will probably want to lynch a confirmed Transporter as quickly as possible (I'm saying lynch because Transporter is a tricky target for a nightkill).
Maybe "Ah, here's the switch!" (trying to make a pun on snitch).
Favorite role: Consigliere (Ever played a game with two Consigs? It tips the balance severely in favor of the Mafia, but that's what makes it so fun when you're one of them!)
After that, it's Godfather and Mafioso, I guess. I prefer to play as Mafia in general because then I have allies, and the killing roles are the most straightforward.
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Re: Achievement rework. (Added petition, please vote)

Postby Joacgroso » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:39 pm

budewfan01 wrote:Posting here about the Janitor achievement for cleaning someone the mafia didn't target

Thanks you very much for posting your suggestion here! :D
The main problem with this is that it would encourage janitors to waste their cleans, unless they are really lucky. I know cleaning a non-mafia kill is great, but players shouldn't do that on purpose. I won't add it to the OP due to that, but achievements suggested in this thread count as separate suggestions anyway, so thanks you for posting your suggestion here. If you have other achievement suggestions, or have any opinion about the ones suggested here, feel free to post them :) .

CsBlastoise wrote:
Joacgroso wrote:
CsBlastoise wrote:
Joacgroso wrote:- Kill 5 players (loop). - Hex in the city
This probably more obvious pun on adult content is also nice, but maybe it's not quite as good as the Jugger-Coven one precisely because it's more obvious.
It's also an episode from the Simpsons.
Huh, I don't watch The Simpsons, so I had no idea. Just to be clear, do you mean "Hex in the city" is a Simpsons episode?

It's a part of one of the halloween episodes, I don't remembe what. It's also a reference to another TV show.

CsBlastoise wrote:I'm brainstorming now, thinking along the lines of switching:
I considered "Your switching days are numbered," since the Maf will probably want to lynch a confirmed Transporter as quickly as possible (I'm saying lynch because Transporter is a tricky target for a nightkill).
Maybe "Ah, here's the switch!" (trying to make a pun on snitch).

Fine, I will edit the post to add it. I will also add "prettier than the witch".

CsBlastoise wrote:I feel like a response to that last line similar to the following is inevitable: "What about that is harsh anyway?" Answer: I'm overly concerned about accidentally looking too mean. I mean, this can be a touchy subject.

Honestly, I didn't even thought that. It's fine :) .
Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.

I still hope one day the game will have private lobbies. They would really help.
Also, please nerf vampire hunters.
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Re: Achievement rework. (Added petition, please vote)

Postby dyaomaster » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:15 pm

Minor suggestion: Make loop achievements worth less after getting them once, and add an indicator that this achievement was earned (and how many times it was earned) by graying it out like a normal achievement once earned, then adding a "Times earned: 123" tag on it. For example, the first time you execute 3 evildoers you get 80 MP, and the second+ time you get 40. That way, loop achievements still give decent awards should you seek to get them once, or seek to collect all the achievement, but not make it too profitable to get loop achievements over and over again.
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