ICECLIMBERS wrote:Just make jester RNG haunt a random townie with executioner limitations.
Or not, because that doesn't fix the problems of it being a bastard role and stalling lynches. Still, that is better than the current Jester.
ICECLIMBERS wrote:Just make jester RNG haunt a random townie with executioner limitations.
orangeandblack5 wrote:ICECLIMBERS wrote:Just make jester RNG haunt a random townie with executioner limitations.
Or not, because that doesn't fix the problems of it being a bastard role and stalling lynches. Still, that is better than the current Jester.
ICECLIMBERS wrote:orangeandblack5 wrote:ICECLIMBERS wrote:Just make jester RNG haunt a random townie with executioner limitations.
Or not, because that doesn't fix the problems of it being a bastard role and stalling lynches. Still, that is better than the current Jester.
"Neutral evil"
"Stalls votes"
orangeandblack5 wrote:ICECLIMBERS wrote:Just make jester RNG haunt a random townie with executioner limitations.
Or not, because that doesn't fix the problems of it being a bastard role and stalling lynches. Still, that is better than the current Jester.
orangeandblack5 wrote:That's akin to saying that Spy reading Mafia chat doesn't reduce Mafia coordination, the Mafia does
ICECLIMBERS wrote:Just make jester RNG haunt a random townie with executioner limitations.
orangeandblack5 wrote:ICECLIMBERS wrote:Just make jester RNG haunt a random townie with executioner limitations.
Wait, did you mean a random Townie, even if they didn't vote Guilty?
Mroz4k wrote:Tbh, rather then Jester being Neutral Benign (cause its evil, its existence is detriment to Town, but he can also hurt the evil roles, he goes against everyone, basically), I feel like Amnesiac should be Neutral Evil as well. Sure, most people would say - Amne doesnt kill... And sure. It does not. Right up till it becomes a Serial Killer. So its technically a role that is against everyone right up till it becomes a part of some allignment. Technically it screws over everyone equally. Considering Survivor is the same... yea, I really dont see NB and NE to be that different...
Only Executioner and Witch are a bit different - considering Exe needs to go against Town at first, to get his target hung - then its basically the same as Survivor. However Witch needs to go against Town specifically. Seems to me that Witch is more of a Neutral Chaos rather then Evil, and Executioner possibly as well - considering both need to go against specific faction.
Jester doesnt, neither does Amnesiac and Survivor. So, I kind of understand that suggestion to make Jester Neutral Benign. The only thing bad about that is that Benign name doesnt really fit. But Jester can decide to damage anyone, just like Amnesiac and Survivor. Executioner and Witch need to hurt the Town, specifically.
orangeandblack5 wrote:I already changed it to "Neutral Unaligned".
Nellyfox wrote:Did you really just call amnesiac neutral evil?
No. Once it remembers a role it is no longer benign.
ICECLIMBERS wrote:Amnesiac, while as an amnesiac, is benign.
Once it remembers a role it is no longer an amnesiac.
Lynching a jester wastes town's time and provides mafia with an extra kill. It's the less evil of the NE suite but compared to something "benign" it's malevolent. I mean, benign basically means that the roles are just there. They're votes for any faction.
orangeandblack5 wrote:ICECLIMBERS wrote:Amnesiac, while as an amnesiac, is benign.
Once it remembers a role it is no longer an amnesiac.
Lynching a jester wastes town's time and provides mafia with an extra kill. It's the less evil of the NE suite but compared to something "benign" it's malevolent. I mean, benign basically means that the roles are just there. They're votes for any faction.
Oh yes, because Jester can definitely only kill Town.
[*]Neutral Benign: They win with everyone. They just want to choose their own path, as long as they live. That’s the basic mentality that you should follow when designing a benign. They do not need to kill anyone, as long as they get to see the end. The goal of anything categorized under this alignment is that they win with everyone, unless they’re capable of changing alignment like the Amnesiac. DO NOT make them capable of doing evil acts or killing. If they are capable of doing so, they are to be categorized under the respective neutral alignments.
[*]Neutral Evil: The people with an agenda that is up to no good. Their abilities usually have an evil theme and they will almost never get along with the Town. They’re not capable of direct killing, but they might be capable of doing so indirectly. When you design these roles, try to make them capable of acting on their own with an adequate amount of power. Be very thoughtful when designing goals and building their role around it, they need to have something to strafe after, like killing a certain faction or person.
ICECLIMBERS wrote:[*]Neutral Benign: They win with everyone. They just want to choose their own path, as long as they live. That’s the basic mentality that you should follow when designing a benign. They do not need to kill anyone, as long as they get to see the end. The goal of anything categorized under this alignment is that they win with everyone, unless they’re capable of changing alignment like the Amnesiac. DO NOT make them capable of doing evil acts or killing. If they are capable of doing so, they are to be categorized under the respective neutral alignments.
[*]Neutral Evil: The people with an agenda that is up to no good. Their abilities usually have an evil theme and they will almost never get along with the Town. They’re not capable of direct killing, but they might be capable of doing so indirectly. When you design these roles, try to make them capable of acting on their own with an adequate amount of power. Be very thoughtful when designing goals and building their role around it, they need to have something to strafe after, like killing a certain faction or person.
^for reference
ICECLIMBERS wrote:https://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=12887
I don't see why you're so... overeager about this. There's nothing wrong with people disagreeing with you.
Nellyfox wrote:Vampire exists because of Kickstarter...your argument isn't really good.
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