Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

[orangeandblack5]

Good tip. It's also incredibly easy to fake lookout as Mafia. Just write in your will that "N1: Townie - MafiaMember", although this could potentially throw them under the bus.

Best strategy to claim lookout as Mafia requires that you be smart, the Townies aren't as smart, and that you have a Consort that gets killed by an SK (most likely whoever they just visited). Just say "Hey I'm Lookout and Consort visited ProbSK yesterday" and watch as the SK is hung and you're "proven town".

I've won a lot of games with that trick. I was REALLY tempted to not give it up.

Consider it your reward for reading through my Investigator list.

And if you already knew this, reinforcement can't hurt you?

[PurpleSidewalk1]

Good tip. It's also incredibly easy to fake lookout as Mafia. Just write in your will that "N1: Townie - MafiaMember", although this could potentially throw them under the bus.

Best strategy to claim lookout as Mafia requires that you be smart, the other Mafia aren't as smart, and that you have a Consort that gets killed by an SK (most likely whoever they just visited). Just say "Hey I'm Lookout and Consort visited ProbSK yesterday" and watch as the SK is hung and you're "proven town".

I've won a lot of games with that trick. I was REALLY tempted to not give it up.

Consider it your reward for reading through my Investigator list.

And if you already knew this, reinforcement can't hurt you?

You do this in a game I am in orange and there is no way you are getting out alive. I would immediately say "This guy is a mafia member trying to pretend to be a townie but that is still the SK." AND I would write blank is mafia all over my will just to reinforce it. Never have I have done this and the person actually been lookout.

[orangeandblack5]

Glad to see that this doesn't work on everybody.

[orangeandblack5]

Arsonist/Lookout/Blackmailer has had an OVERWHELMING majority in the poll (unanimous actually), so I'll keep it open for about a day (or 2 at most) longer, and then I'll change it to some questions I have about Amnesiac and Godfather.

Vote now or forever lose your voice!

[orangeandblack5]

Changing poll at the end of Bethesda's press conference due to lack of new results on current poll.

Enjoy the show everybody!
Spoiler: FALLOUT FOUR F*** YEAH!

[orangeandblack5]

Please let me know your thoughts on Amnesiac and Godfather's investigation results in the new poll! This should hopefully help Kiyosen and I a lot.

Thank you!

[ladd]

I like them man. Good job

[TrueGent]

Since no one else is elaborating, I might as well give my two cents.

Amnesiac:

Amnesiac should be in its own category, so it can be forced to join town if investigated.

This one is a tough choice, however I went for this option as your current Amne result, "Amne, Trans, Surv", already puts the investigated Amne under a lot of pressure if they pick Mafia and Trans is a difficult role to fake so Amnes' that pick Mafia after being invested will probably be lynched anyway.

Godfather:

As Godfather, it should be somewhat hard to fake a role if investigated.

I feel your list has already got this down, Sheriff is an easy role to fake so it will be put under a lot of scrutiny if he claims it anyway, especially since the Investigator is already claiming a TI spot.

EDIT:
Ok so I went through the list and made a few changes so Amne could have its own spot. Tell me what you think.

Escort, Consort - Your target is a manipulative beauty. They must be an Escort or Consort.

Investigator, Consigliere - Your target gathers information. They must be an Investigator or Consigliere.

Vigilante, Veteran, Mafioso - Your target owns a gun. They must be a Vigilante, Veteran, or Mafioso.

Framer, Forger - Your target tampers with documents. They must be a Framer, or Forger.

Mayor, Jailor, Spy - Your target puts the Town above all else. They must be the Mayor, Jailor, or a Spy.

Doctor, Serial Killer, Witch - Your target practices their art every night. They must be a Doctor, Serial Killer, or Witch.
Swapped Witch and Vampire as it made more sense for Vampire to be paired with Vampire Hunter.

Vampire Hunter, Vampire, Survivor - Your target holds a grudge. They must be a Vampire Hunter, Vampire or Survivor.
I'm a bit iffy with this one as it depends solely on how good a claim VH is.

Arsonist, Lookout, Blackmailer - You target frequents others' houses. They must be an Arsonist, Lookout, or Blackmailer.

Disguiser, Bodyguard, Werewolf, Transporter - Your target may not be what they seem. They must be a Disguiser, Bodyguard, Werewolf or Transporter.
Put Trans here as its almost insta confirm and neither WW nor Disguiser is going to claim it.

Janitor, Medium, Retributionist, Jester - You target talks to themselves. They must be a Janitor, Medium, Retributionist, or Jester.
Added Ret to this as no evil will ever claim it, and Jester can possibly claim it in order to get lynched.

Sheriff, Godfather, Executioner - Your target wants to gain others' trust. They must be a Sheriff, Godfather, or Executioner.

Amnesiac - Your target does not know what they are. They must be an Amnesiac!


This list has two 4 slots, but at least one of those 4 are no-claims so I think it should be ok.

[orangeandblack5]

Since no one else is elaborating, I might as well give my two cents.

THANK YOU SO MUCH THIS MEANS A LOT TO ME! A SUPER-WELL-THOUGHT-OUT ANWSER FROM SOMEBODY NEW! THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT!

With that out of the way, let's see what you actually said.

Amnesiac:

Amnesiac should be in its own category, so it can be forced to join town if investigated.

This one is a tough choice, however I went for this option as your current Amne result, "Amne, Trans, Surv", already puts the investigated Amne under a lot of pressure if they pick Mafia and Trans is a difficult role to fake so Amnes' that pick Mafia after being invested will probably be lynched anyway.

We disagree there. More later.

Godfather:

As Godfather, it should be somewhat hard to fake a role if investigated.

I feel your list has already got this down, Sheriff is an easy role to fake so it will be put under a lot of scrutiny if he claims it anyway, especially since the Investigator is already claiming a TI spot.

EDIT:
Ok so I went through the list and made a few changes so Amne could have its own spot. Tell me what you think.

Escort, Consort - Your target is a manipulative beauty. They must be an Escort or Consort.

Investigator, Consigliere - Your target gathers information. They must be an Investigator or Consigliere.

Vigilante, Veteran, Mafioso - Your target owns a gun. They must be a Vigilante, Veteran, or Mafioso.

Framer, Forger - Your target tampers with documents. They must be a Framer, or Forger.

Mayor, Jailor, Spy - Your target puts the Town above all else. They must be the Mayor, Jailor, or a Spy.

All good so far.

Doctor, Serial Killer, Witch - Your target practices their art every night. They must be a Doctor, Serial Killer, or Witch.
Swapped Witch and Vampire as it made more sense for Vampire to be paired with Vampire Hunter.

Vampire Hunter, Vampire, Survivor - Your target holds a grudge. They must be a Vampire Hunter, Vampire or Survivor.
I'm a bit iffy with this one as it depends solely on how good a claim VH is.

Personally I prefer this the way it was originally (as the "covered in blood" lore-bit is really good), and because using this would put survivor in its own category (if it wasn't for the fact that evil roles use Survivor as cover this might be good; I'll poll this later in case it deletes my current results) until Vamp/VH are added.

Arsonist, Lookout, Blackmailer - You target frequents others' houses. They must be an Arsonist, Lookout, or Blackmailer.

Disguiser, Bodyguard, Werewolf, Transporter - Your target may not be what they seem. They must be a Disguiser, Bodyguard, Werewolf or Transporter.
Put Trans here as its almost insta confirm and neither WW nor Disguiser is going to claim it.

This works. 'Nuff said.

Janitor, Medium, Retributionist, Jester - You target talks to themselves. They must be a Janitor, Medium, Retributionist, or Jester.
Added Ret to this as no evil will ever claim it, and Jester can possibly claim it in order to get lynched.

This also works.

Sheriff, Godfather, Executioner - Your target wants to gain others' trust. They must be a Sheriff, Godfather, or Executioner.

Spoiler:

Amnesiac - Your target does not know what they are. They must be an Amnesiac!

Personally I'd prefer it if Amnesiac was in a category with other roles, so that an investigator can't force them to join town immediately. However, it shouldn't be easy for an investigated amnesiac to become a Mafia member or a NK role, so making it hard to fake the other roles adds more risk/reward.

This list has two 4 slots, but at least one of those 4 are no-claims so I think it should be ok.

I'm fine with it. However, I'd like somebody else's feedback on this topic.

Thank you so much (again). I seriously cannot thank you enough for your input. It means a lot to me.

[orangeandblack5]

Poll closing either later today or tomorrow. Vote now!

[kookeekwisp]

Honestly, what i said earlier "this is a psychiatrist, not an investigator" is still in effect

...but honestly, the investigator NEEDS a little bump. Make them both able to team up with eachother.
2 townies becoming one already powerful mafia role (consig)

(not taking back what i said about the arsonist and lookout | top of page 2)



EDIT!!!: I messed up BOTH of these comments! I meant a Psychologist, not Psychiatrist XP

[EdmundMcGaben]

I chose so that amnesiac should not be in his own category. Amnesiac is neutral benign and should stay like this. Talk about the title 'Neutral'

[orangeandblack5]

FINAL POLL RESULTS:


1. Amnesiac should be in its own category, so it can be forced to join town if investigated.
6 votes, 35.2%
2. Amnesiac should NOT be in its own category so it cannot be forced to join town as easily.
11 votes, 64.8%


1. As Godfather, it should be very hard to fake a role if investigated.
1 vote, 5.9%
2. As Godfather, it should be somewhat hard to fake a role if investigated.
16 votes, 94.1%


So it would seem that almost everybody agrees that it should be difficult (but not near impossible) to make a fake role claim as the Godfather if investigated, and most people agree that the Amnesiac should NOT be in its own category. Thank you all for your feedback. I hope that this can eventually make the game better somehow (even if it's not my version of the list).

[Gobln]

orange i hope you dont let a lot of these scrubs change your original ideas.

[EdmundMcGaben]

orange i hope you dont let a lot of these scrubs change your original ideas.

( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°) U wot

[PandACT]

Ok, the spy, jailor, mayor thing doesn't work. That would go awry fast. Keep sherrif/ret/exe the same, and leave bg/jailor/whatever alone.

[Kiyosen]

orange i hope you dont let a lot of these scrubs change your original ideas.

I kinda have to agree with this statement. If you can give a good reasoning for your position, then you can make a more valid influence. Though I suggest refuting as much as you can with your current position before changing it.

Though I voted that the Amnesiac shouldn't be in its own category because of how they tend to side with Town and won't be pressured by the Mafia/NK to join them instead. I also voted that it should be a bit hard for the Godfather since they obviously shouldn't get a death sentence.

[Gobln]

Ok, the spy, jailor, mayor thing doesn't work. That would go awry fast. Keep sherrif/ret/exe the same, and leave bg/jailor/whatever alone.

no, learn how things work please.

[PurpleSidewalk1]

Ok, the spy, jailor, mayor thing doesn't work. That would go awry fast. Keep sherrif/ret/exe the same, and leave bg/jailor/whatever alone.

What? What the serious fuck is this comment? I am sorry, but Spy, Jailor, Mayor is why Investigator needs an overhaul. At least that is why I think it needs one. Pairing up the easiest to confirm roles with roles like Godfather and Blackmailer are terrible ideas. Pairing up the three easiest to confirm role in the whole game with each other is an amazing idea and I salute orange for doing so. Please come back when you think about this a bit more. Also sorry for being a bit rude, but I have a policy on not deleting what I already wrote because it is how I feel.

[orangeandblack5]

orange i hope you dont let a lot of these scrubs change your original ideas.

I kinda have to agree with this statement. If you can give a good reasoning for your position, then you can make a more valid influence. Though I suggest refuting as much as you can with your current position before changing it.

Though I voted that the Amnesiac shouldn't be in its own category because of how they tend to side with Town and won't be pressured by the Mafia/NK to join them instead. I also voted that it should be a bit hard for the Godfather since they obviously shouldn't get a death sentence.

Ummm...

These poll results align with my ideas...

[EdmundMcGaben]

Ok, the spy, jailor, mayor thing doesn't work. That would go awry fast. Keep sherrif/ret/exe the same, and leave bg/jailor/whatever alone.

Lol. Dont cry next time when you are found as a blackmailer.

[TrueGent]

For reference this was my previous post:
Spoiler:

Since no one else is elaborating, I might as well give my two cents.

Amnesiac:

Amnesiac should be in its own category, so it can be forced to join town if investigated.

This one is a tough choice, however I went for this option as your current Amne result, "Amne, Trans, Surv", already puts the investigated Amne under a lot of pressure if they pick Mafia and Trans is a difficult role to fake so Amnes' that pick Mafia after being invested will probably be lynched anyway.

Godfather:

As Godfather, it should be somewhat hard to fake a role if investigated.

I feel your list has already got this down, Sheriff is an easy role to fake so it will be put under a lot of scrutiny if he claims it anyway, especially since the Investigator is already claiming a TI spot.

EDIT:
Ok so I went through the list and made a few changes so Amne could have its own spot. Tell me what you think.

Escort, Consort - Your target is a manipulative beauty. They must be an Escort or Consort.

Investigator, Consigliere - Your target gathers information. They must be an Investigator or Consigliere.

Vigilante, Veteran, Mafioso - Your target owns a gun. They must be a Vigilante, Veteran, or Mafioso.

Framer, Forger - Your target tampers with documents. They must be a Framer, or Forger.

Mayor, Jailor, Spy - Your target puts the Town above all else. They must be the Mayor, Jailor, or a Spy.

Doctor, Serial Killer, Witch - Your target practices their art every night. They must be a Doctor, Serial Killer, or Witch.
Swapped Witch and Vampire as it made more sense for Vampire to be paired with Vampire Hunter.

Vampire Hunter, Vampire, Survivor - Your target holds a grudge. They must be a Vampire Hunter, Vampire or Survivor.
I'm a bit iffy with this one as it depends solely on how good a claim VH is.

Arsonist, Lookout, Blackmailer - You target frequents others' houses. They must be an Arsonist, Lookout, or Blackmailer.

Disguiser, Bodyguard, Werewolf, Transporter - Your target may not be what they seem. They must be a Disguiser, Bodyguard, Werewolf or Transporter.
Put Trans here as its almost insta confirm and neither WW nor Disguiser is going to claim it.

Janitor, Medium, Retributionist, Jester - You target talks to themselves. They must be a Janitor, Medium, Retributionist, or Jester.
Added Ret to this as no evil will ever claim it, and Jester can possibly claim it in order to get lynched.

Sheriff, Godfather, Executioner - Your target wants to gain others' trust. They must be a Sheriff, Godfather, or Executioner.

Amnesiac - Your target does not know what they are. They must be an Amnesiac!

Changes due to the results of the Amne poll:

Doctor, Serial Killer, Vampire - Your target is covered in blood. They must be a Doctor, Serial Killer, or Vampire.
Reverted my previous change.

Vampire Hunter, Witch, Retributionist, Survivor - Your target has their own agenda. They must be a Vampire Hunter, Witch, Retributionist or Survivor.
Still a bit iffy with this one but I had to put Ret somewhere... (Not to mention the story makes no sense for Ret. Help pls.)

Janitor, Medium, Amnesiac, Jester - You target has a fascination with the dead. They must be a Janitor, Medium, Amnesiac, or Jester.
Gives Amne a shaky Medium claim, which is miles better than Trans, and could possibly allow them to take mafia if the situation favors them.

[EdmundMcGaben]

I wish one time yours will get added, orange.
Last game i got found as godfather. Fuuuuuuck.

[SignatoryMist53]

I like this. I like this a lot. I think the Blackmailer is now in their rightful place, as they no longer have to answer Spy tests and the like.

[JazzMusicStops]

Amnesiac,Transporter, Survivor - Your target avoids others. They must be an Amnesiac, Transporter, or Survivor.

I don't see how a transporter avoids others, they visit people