Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul

Postby cmitc1 » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:31 pm

it feels like your giving the strongest evil roles here a pretty simple role to claim, it feels like all they need is a will and there not going to trial for a long time (until there role is not possible), but its still one of the best I have seen :D
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul

Postby orangeandblack5 » Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:12 am

cmitc1 wrote:it feels like your giving the strongest evil roles here a pretty simple role to claim, it feels like all they need is a will and there not going to trial for a long time (until there role is not possible), but its still one of the best I have seen :D

Scumreading, Lookouts, Spies, Sheriffs, being hit by another killing role, and more take away from this.
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul

Postby orangeandblack5 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:20 pm

Wow, somebody actually likes the BCL. Wasn't expecting that.
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul

Postby TrueGent » Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:38 pm

AssassinOfDoom wrote:The new role placement for the Survivor is good, but it'll make it too easy to win as survivor. Just claim you are survivor with that role list and everyone will avoid you. There should be a change to make winning as survivor challenging, but not so hard that survivors become instant lynch roles like it is right now.

That's only if you get investigated beforehand, because no half-decent Town is going to devote resources to proving you are a Survivor.
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul

Postby orangeandblack5 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:49 am

AssassinOfDoom wrote:
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AssassinOfDoom wrote:The new role placement for the Survivor is good, but it'll make it too easy to win as survivor. Just claim you are survivor with that role list and everyone will avoid you. There should be a change to make winning as survivor challenging, but not so hard that survivors become instant lynch roles like it is right now.

That's only if you get investigated beforehand, because no half-decent Town is going to devote resources to proving you are a Survivor.


Yeah, but no half-decent town will lynch the Survivor on sight either in that situation because most survivors I meet never even vote or even side with the mafia either. The survivor will be a lynch me or lose/win kind of person.

Actually, I've seen the Town lynch Survivors a lot.

And the point is that those three roles can screw over the town easily, but can also help the town a lot, so...

If you have any better place to put the roles, let me know.
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul

Postby orangeandblack5 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:12 pm

Good news everybody!

My Investigator results list is going to be tested in a Testing Grounds game and the Investigator is going to be killed Night 1!

Go join that game so we have a full test, and let me know how it goes!

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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul

Postby PurpleSidewalk1 » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:32 am

orangeandblack5 wrote:My Investigator results list is going to be tested in a Testing Grounds game and the Investigator is going to be killed Night 1!

Oh don't worry orange I will ensure that this takes place since the only roles I will ever get in ToS are GF, Mafioso, Vigilante, and WW (yesterday I played like 15 games and only got those roles over and over and over and over, jailed night 2 as WW... fml)
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Re: Investigator Results List - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

Postby Mroz4k » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:12 am

This list is actually very, very similar to the project I was working on, but I like some of these changes a lot more then the ones I had. So, I give you three fingers up.

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HOWEVER

Dont kill your role list idea with even considering a Blackmailer who gets to read whispers... seriously, people, just stop with that shit. Its a horrible idea, as it would pretty much kill the whispers as a system completedly. Its better to have some limitations on the whispers, rather then give Mafia a chance to dig into the only system Town has for the private conversations.

I would favor Blackmailer´s ability to read whispers as a one time use Daytime ability. Possibly with two uses. But making it pernament would completedly stopped whispering as whole, all it would take would have been a fake Blackmail... which is done by Jesters all the time. So, pretty much most of the games noone would bother whispering.
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Re: Investigator Results List - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

Postby EdmundMcGaben » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:23 am

Mroz4k wrote:This list is actually very, very similar to the project I was working on, but I like some of these changes a lot more then the ones I had. So, I give you three fingers up.

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HOWEVER

Dont kill your role list idea with even considering a Blackmailer who gets to read whispers... seriously, people, just stop with that shit. Its a horrible idea, as it would pretty much kill the whispers as a system completedly. Its better to have some limitations on the whispers, rather then give Mafia a chance to dig into the only system Town has for the private conversations.

I would favor Blackmailer´s ability to read whispers as a one time use Daytime ability. Possibly with two uses. But making it pernament would completedly stopped whispering as whole, all it would take would have been a fake Blackmail... which is done by Jesters all the time. So, pretty much most of the games noone would bother whispering.

Spy also kills the whisper system of evils which is already so small.

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Re: Investigator Results List - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

Postby PurpleSidewalk1 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:22 pm

EdmundMcGaben wrote:Spy also kills the whisper system of evils which is already so small.

I side with Mroz4k on this issue (as stated like 20 different times) and I personally think the whisper system of the town is almost 200x more important than the whisper system of evils, but I do think that Mafia should have their own chat without having to worry about the Spy.

Random weird strategy involving fake busing:
A funny thing to do might be (I haven't tried it quite yet) would be to use the Spy's ability to hear Mafia chat against him; saying "Alright tomorrow I am going to accuse you of being Mafia and you call me Executioner" on Night 2 because there is usually a lead on Day 3, so the Spy will come forward and say: "I am the Spy and both of these people are Mafia!" you just got the Spy and another TI (the town will kill the TI lol). Not sure how well this would work, but I would like to see someone try it out.
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Re: Investigator Results List - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

Postby EdmundMcGaben » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:27 pm

PurpleSidewalk1 wrote:
EdmundMcGaben wrote:Spy also kills the whisper system of evils which is already so small.

I side with Mroz4k on this issue (as stated like 20 different times) and I personally think the whisper system of the town is almost 200x more important than the whisper system of evils, but I do think that Mafia should have their own chat without having to worry about the Spy.

Random weird strategy involving fake busing:
A funny thing to do might be (I haven't tried it quite yet) would be to use the Spy's ability to hear Mafia chat against him; saying "Alright tomorrow I am going to accuse you of being Mafia and you call me Executioner" on Night 2 because there is usually a lead on Day 3, so the Spy will come forward and say: "I am the Spy and both of these people are Mafia!" you just got the Spy and another TI (the town will kill the TI lol). Not sure how well this would work, but I would like to see someone try it out.

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I would like to introduce you something called balance
Mayor gets all the whispers with no danger
A mafia cant just coordinate with a witch at the last moment
Both will get caught
= no balance

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Re: Investigator Results List - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

Postby PurpleSidewalk1 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:11 pm

EdmundMcGaben wrote:Dude
I would like to introduce you something called balance
Mayor gets all the whispers with no danger
A mafia cant just coordinate with a witch at the last moment
Both will get caught
= no balance

Witch finds Mafia. Witch controls Mafia to not kill Witch. You need no whispers here. If Mafia has a majority then Mafia needs to appoint one member to claim that someone is the Witch and if they are the Witch they will come forth and say so because they know that Mafia has majority with them. If they claim anything other than Witch, the Witch will lynch them. Simple as that. Evil roles don't need whispers. Allowing the Blackmailer to here whispers isn't going to stop the Spy from hearing them. Whispers are fundamental to the game. If anything, Spy shouldn't be able to hear whispers (and I absolutely hate to take apart my favourite role in the game).
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Re: Investigator Results List - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

Postby orangeandblack5 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:11 pm

I would like to make it where Blackmailer can only read whispers when not Blackmailing. Being able to do it on demand is too easy; all the time is OP.

But a whisper-reading evil role is needed.
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SwampRabbit wrote:So basically, your idea is that no town should ever be able to confirm themselves as town.

No offense but that is the dumbest idea I think I have heard.

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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul - Petition

Postby orangeandblack5 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:55 pm

I have put up a petition to gather support for this list. If you like it and want to see it in the game, vote yes; if not, don't vote and explain why you don't like it in a post here.

Thank you all for your continued support.
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SwampRabbit wrote:So basically, your idea is that no town should ever be able to confirm themselves as town.

No offense but that is the dumbest idea I think I have heard.

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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul - Petition

Postby Jfire » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:57 pm

orangeandblack5 wrote:I have put up a petition to gather support for this list. If you like it and want to see it in the game, vote yes; if not, don't vote and explain why you don't like it in a post here.

Thank you all for your continued support.


They're both yes, (just pointing out)
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul - Petition

Postby PurpleSidewalk1 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:00 pm

Jfire wrote:
orangeandblack5 wrote:I have put up a petition to gather support for this list. If you like it and want to see it in the game, vote yes; if not, don't vote and explain why you don't like it in a post here.

Thank you all for your continued support.


They're both yes, (just pointing out)

Because the only answer is yes. Duh!
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul - Petition

Postby orangeandblack5 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:01 pm

Jfire wrote:
orangeandblack5 wrote:I have put up a petition to gather support for this list. If you like it and want to see it in the game, vote yes; if not, don't vote and explain why you don't like it in a post here.

Thank you all for your continued support.


They're both yes, (just pointing out)

It's a petition.

It doesn't need a "no" vote. The point of a petition isn't to gauge what percentage of people like/dislike something; that's a poll. A petition asks for support on a certain issue.

Plus, if you would vote "no", I want to know you're thoughts. Letting people click "no" with no look at WHY they think "no" only opens polls like this to trolls and people that think the current one is balanced.
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul - Petition

Postby gorilla578 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:36 am

No moar Spy/BMer screw ups for me so of course "Yes".
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul - Petition

Postby orangeandblack5 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:09 pm

25 votes already...

wow.

Keep going guys!
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul - Petition

Postby Grakylan13 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:43 pm

I think that BG and Surv should be put into their own category.

"Your target has bulletproof vests. They must be a Bodyguard or Survivor."


That way, when the Town wants to lynch a "survivor", they should consider that they could lose a bodyguard this way.

Other than that, the results that orangeandblack put up are great.
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul - Petition

Postby Jfire » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:44 pm

Grakylan13 wrote:I think that BG and Surv should be put into their own category.

"Your target has bulletproof vests. They must be a Bodyguard or Survivor."


That way, when the Town wants to lynch a "survivor", they should consider that they could lose a bodyguard this way.

Other than that, the results that orangeandblack put up are great.


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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul - Petition

Postby JazzMusicStops » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:45 pm

Jfire wrote:
Grakylan13 wrote:I think that BG and Surv should be put into their own category.

"Your target has bulletproof vests. They must be a Bodyguard or Survivor."


That way, when the Town wants to lynch a "survivor", they should consider that they could lose a bodyguard this way.

Other than that, the results that orangeandblack put up are great.


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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul - Petition

Postby isrlygood » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:48 pm

Grakylan13 wrote:I think that BG and Surv should be put into their own category.

"Your target has bulletproof vests. They must be a Bodyguard or Survivor."


That way, when the Town wants to lynch a "survivor", they should consider that they could lose a bodyguard this way.

Other than that, the results that orangeandblack put up are great.

Um, no, save the Bodyguard for actual important roles, like the WW.
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul - Petition

Postby orangeandblack5 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:25 pm

Okay, no offense to anybody (because literally EVERYBODY does it), but why is it impossible for people to add the "5" at the end of "orangeandblack"?

Burgy (all glory and praise be upon him) even did it with my signature before I asked him to add the 5.

So, why does everybody just leave that out?
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul - Petition

Postby cmitc1 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:28 pm

orangeandblack5 wrote:Okay, no offense to anybody (because literally EVERYBODY does it), but why is it impossible for people to add the "5" at the end of "orangeandblack"?

Burgy (all glory and praise be upon him) even did it with my signature before I asked him to add the 5.

So, why does everybody just leave that out?



does it annoy you? If it does, ill add that 5 ;)
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