Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

[lemonader666]

I think Hex Master should go with the framer/vampire/arsonist list because hexing also frames the target.

Great list btw.

[Parallax7]

Escort, Transporter, Vampire Hunter, Consort - Your target frequents the shadier parts of Salem. They must be an Escort, Transporter, Vampire Hunter, or Consort.
Escort/Consort works quite well. All this result really needs is a Coven role that can roleblock, which I've asked the devs to add next.

I firmly disagree with the bolded section.

Coven Leader is always a more efficient method of role blocking. Therefore, all this really achieves is countering Escort's confirmability, which honestly isn't warranted alone. Because Coven Leader is essentially Coven's role blocker.

An equally applicable solution is to simply give the Potion Master a role block potion. The alternative is to broaden feedback so Coven Leader/Witch share feedback with Escort, which has been discussed in TG, and ultimately achieves balance more so than a role mitigating Escort's confirmability, but I digress, as I don't think Devs would take such a radical route to solve a minor issue.

[orangeandblack5]

Coven needs an RBer anyways

So a RB potion would be okay but also limited

Also month old suggestion lel

[Parallax7]

I mean, Coven Leader is their role blocker for all extensive purposes, and in the instances where it isn't, Potion Master could role block. Ideally the feedback changes are made, but working under the assumption they aren't, this would still work, albeit with kinks. Better than a Coven role that only role blocks, though.

[orangeandblack5]

Obviously not an Escort clone, but merely something that can appear to be an Escort

[kookeekwisp]

Ok, i agree that Invest was a bit too powerful with 2-3 results, but increasing it to 4-5 just become some lores fit one or two roles is too much for players to handle at once every single night.
Reduce it to 3-4 as a balance.

I can do it now, but i'm busy.

[dyaomaster]

It was 3-4 until the Coven update came along. The Classic results are still 3-4 roles per result.

[dyaomaster]

Spy/Mayor/BMer/Amnesiac - Your target relies heavily on the input and influence of others.
Medium/Ret/Forger/Jester/Necromancer - Your target realizes death isn't the end.
Crusader/Ambusher/Guardian Angel/Poisoner - Your target has the patience to accomplish their goals.
Psychic/Hypnotist/Plaguebearer/Pestilence - Your target possesses a power unknown to most other humans.

Put Hex Master with Framer/Vamp/Arso.

[kookeekwisp]

It was 3-4 until the Coven update came along. The Classic results are still 3-4 roles per result.

It's 3 per result period, not 3-4.
That's what made it more balanced than ANY list!

[lemonader666]

Why are you guys talking about Coven RBer behind my back :thinking:

[orangeandblack5]

It was 3-4 until the Coven update came along. The Classic results are still 3-4 roles per result.

It's 3 per result period, not 3-4.
That's what made it more balanced than ANY list!

Actually this is factually incorrect

Also you need Mafia and Coven in a result

So that's at least 4 for some

[kookeekwisp]

OLD: Spoiler: Vigilante, Veteran, Mafioso, Pirate, or Ambusher.
Medium, Janitor, Retributionist, Necromancer, or Trapper.
Survivor, Vampire Hunter, Witch1, Medusa, or Psychic.
Spy, Blackmailer, Jailor, or Guardian Angel.
Sheriff, Executioner, Werewolf, or Poisoner.
Framer, Vampire, Jester, or Hex Master.
Lookout, Forger, Amnesiac, or Coven Leader.
Escort, Transporter, Consort, or Hypnotist.
Doctor, Disguiser, Serial Killer, or Potion Master.
Investigator, Consigliere, Mayor, Tracker, or Plaguebearer.
Bodyguard, Godfather, Arsonist, or Crusader.

4 results each: Spoiler: Vigilante, Veteran, Mafioso, Pirate
Medium, Janitor, Retributionist, Necromancer
Survivor, Vampire Hunter, Psychic, Witch
Spy, Blackmailer, Jailor, Guardian Angel
Sheriff, Executioner, Werewolf, Poisoner
Framer, Vampire, Jester, Hex Master
Lookout, Forger, Amnesiac, Coven Leader
Escort, Transporter, Consort, Hypnotist
Doctor, Disguiser, Serial Killer, Potion Master
Investigator, Consigliere, Mayor, Plaguebearer
Bodyguard, Godfather, Arsonist, Crusader
Tracker, Medusa, Ambusher, Trapper This is the lazier one. idk if i can make a 3-4 list from scratch.


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It was 3-4 BEFORE the Coven update

THIS is factually incorrect. All results contain 3 roles in classic mode.

[dyaomaster]

I think we're discussing changing the results here, not jus "updating for Coven". That already happened.

[orangeandblack5]

I think we're discussing changing the results here, not jus "updating for Coven". That already happened.

Yeah like what

[kookeekwisp]

I think we're discussing changing the results here, not jus "updating for Coven". That already happened.

Yeah like what

Neither of you are making sense

[AssassinGhost74]

this is brilliant !!! I loved it , but the only problem is SK and janitor's only claim is Doctor if an Investigator searches them ;_; (they'll probably die the night they claim Jailor , if they do)

[dyaomaster]

Swap Vet and Vig? Otherwise WW has no good claimspace apart from claiming Survivor, when playing Classic TOS.

[lemonader666]

this is brilliant !!! I loved it , but the only problem is SK and janitor's only claim is Doctor if an Investigator searches them ;_; (they'll probably die the night they claim Jailor , if they do)

doctor is really hard to be confirmed you know

[kookeekwisp]

It's not very possible to create a balanced list with Spy up in the air.
I'll try at another one when it's decided.

[Shilster]

I'm prrrrrretty sure that Pest doesn't need a result. You visit him, you die. It should be the same as Consig and CL in my opinion.

[kookeekwisp]

I'm prrrrrretty sure that Pest doesn't need a result. You visit him, you die. It should be the same as Consig and CL in my opinion.

You can be healed while looking at a Psychic

[dyaomaster]

Spy/Mayor/BMer/Amnesiac - Your target relies heavily on the input and influence of others.
Medium/Ret/Forger/Jester/Necromancer - Your target realizes death isn't the end.
Crusader/Ambusher/Guardian Angel/Poisoner - Your target has the patience to accomplish their goals.
Psychic/Hypnotist/Plaguebearer/Pestilence - Your target possesses a power unknown to most other humans.

Put Hex Master with Framer/Vamp/Arso.

[Shilster]

Oh yeah healing. #ShilNeedsHealing

Anyways, what attack does BG counterattack with? Powerful?

[lemonader666]

Oh yeah healing. #ShilNeedsHealing

Anyways, what attack does BG counterattack with? Powerful?

Yes

[kookeekwisp]

Oh yeah healing. #ShilNeedsHealing

Anyways, what attack does BG counterattack with? Powerful?

Yes

*not t be confused with Defense. It blocks 1 attack, no matter how powerful.