Investigator's Results Revamp

[isrlygood]

jesus, there is a lot of weight on the Bodyguard and Lookout with the experimental

[orangeandblack5]

jesus, there is a lot of weight on the Bodyguard and Lookout with the experimental

Yeah there is...

[Kiyosen]

jesus, there is a lot of weight on the Bodyguard and Lookout with the experimental

Yeah there is...

It's experimental after all.

Any problems with it though besides too much neutrals/scum paired with them/4-role result?

[Bloodringe]

I've 90% pulled out of discussing invest results since what I want isn't what others want. Yes I still like mine, but I wont hound it.

But regards to lookout/bodyguard weight.
Bodyguard-One of (if not) the most valuable town, especially since it cant confirm.
Lookout-One of the best evil claims, useful enough to pause and not confirmable.

So yes... They are very useful in balancing. And could potentially handle that much weight (since confirmable roles are shit and ruin invest results so much. 7! Instant confirms... 3 more semi.)
So out of the 4 that can't:Bodyguard,lookout,sheriff, and investigator. Bodyguard and lookout are the most valued (invest is taken by consig. And sheriff... Well...)

[Kiyosen]

I've 90% pulled out of discussing invest results since what I want isn't what others want. Yes I still like mine, but I wont hound it.

But regards to lookout/bodyguard weight.
Bodyguard-One of (if not) the most valuable town, especially since it cant confirm.
Lookout-One of the best evil claims, useful enough to pause and not confirmable.

So yes... They are very useful in balancing. And could potentially handle that much weight (since confirmable roles are shit and ruin invest results so much. 7! Instant confirms... 3 more semi.)
So out of the 4 that can't:Bodyguard,lookout,sheriff, and investigator. Bodyguard and lookout are the most valued (invest is taken by consig. And sheriff... Well...)

Awww, but I waaaant you to say your opinion...Bloodringe come baaaack to ussssss
(It helps)

[orangeandblack5]

I've 90% pulled out of discussing invest results since what I want isn't what others want. Yes I still like mine, but I wont hound it.

But regards to lookout/bodyguard weight.
Bodyguard-One of (if not) the most valuable town, especially since it cant confirm.
Lookout-One of the best evil claims, useful enough to pause and not confirmable.

So yes... They are very useful in balancing. And could potentially handle that much weight (since confirmable roles are shit and ruin invest results so much. 7! Instant confirms... 3 more semi.)
So out of the 4 that can't:Bodyguard,lookout,sheriff, and investigator. Bodyguard and lookout are the most valued (invest is taken by consig. And sheriff... Well...)

Awww, but I waaaant you to say your opinion...Bloodringe come baaaack to ussssss
(It helps)

At least Bodyguard is valuable enough to warrant letting them live.

Only the best Lookouts are valuable enough to stop the Town from just lynching them at that point.

[Kiyosen]

I've 90% pulled out of discussing invest results since what I want isn't what others want. Yes I still like mine, but I wont hound it.

But regards to lookout/bodyguard weight.
Bodyguard-One of (if not) the most valuable town, especially since it cant confirm.
Lookout-One of the best evil claims, useful enough to pause and not confirmable.

So yes... They are very useful in balancing. And could potentially handle that much weight (since confirmable roles are shit and ruin invest results so much. 7! Instant confirms... 3 more semi.)
So out of the 4 that can't:Bodyguard,lookout,sheriff, and investigator. Bodyguard and lookout are the most valued (invest is taken by consig. And sheriff... Well...)

Awww, but I waaaant you to say your opinion...Bloodringe come baaaack to ussssss
(It helps)

At least Bodyguard is valuable enough to warrant letting them live.

Only the best Lookouts are valuable enough to stop the Town from just lynching them at that point.

Thinking of switching two of the neutrals with each other or maybe even Blackmailer. Any thoughts?

[orangeandblack5]

If you give specifics.

[Kiyosen]

Possible switches:
-Witch and Survivor (My favorite out of the four)
-Witch and Jester
-Blackmailer and Survivor
-Blackmailer and Jester

I personally don't like switching the Blackmailer one but meh, showing all the possibilities anyway.

[orangeandblack5]

-Witch and Survivor (My favorite out of the four)

Swap those. Please.

[Kiyosen]

-Witch and Survivor (My favorite out of the four)

Swap those. Please.

Done, glad doing business with you.

Also would like your opinion on the others though.

[orangeandblack5]

Looking at it now, it also makes sense to have swapped Witch with Jester. In fact, it makes MORE sense. So, my bad, swap Survivor and Jester. This way it's harder to hang WW/Disguiser and GF can claim Surv.

Swapping Blackmailer is out of the question (not putting 2 mafias in one result).

[Kiyosen]

I'd like to hear thoughts on this new experimental list that I've just made.

[Gobln]

(ง ͠° ͟ل͜ ͡°)ง still not as good as oranges.

[Kiyosen]

(ง ͠° ͟ل͜ ͡°)ง still not as good as oranges.

Explain? :/

EDIT: Adopted the experimental change in my primary change. Also realized that Retributionist/VH/Vampire is on the verge of fine since Vampire has definite space to claim VH and no Vampire/VH combo means only Retributionist, which is easy to confirm as anyway.

[Kiyosen]

I am thinking of changing Vigilante/Survivor/Mafioso, Veteran/Witch/Framer, and Retributionist/VH/Vampire to Vigilante/Veteran/Mafioso, Retributionist/Witch/Framer, and Survivor/VH/Vampire.

Reasoning:
-Veteran/Vigilante/Mafioso was already good enough. Splitting that up would change Classic Mode, which should be minimalized.
-Retributionist/Witch/Framer is also fine as it's less/as easily confirmed than Veteran IMO so this is also fine.
-I'm experimenting on a practically solo Survivor result as they are the only role that actually has no set alignment for the whole game. VH and Vampire still need to be together since they have to coexist and newly converted Vampires can still have their original role to claim anyway.

Thoughts?

[orangeandblack5]

Quite like the experimental version, other than swapping SK and WW.

[Kiyosen]

Quite like the experimental version, other than swapping SK and WW.

I've asked someone(keeping you anonymous, if you want to come out, then go ahead) about the results and they said something about Werewolf having too much pressure in BG/WW/GF. That change is pretty much there only to decrease pressure on the Werewolf enough so that they won't die as much while keeping pressure on the Bodyguard still high with a Forger instead of a Godfather. Though is it bad because there's too many important scum roles in there or is there just not much point in doing it? Because if it's the latter, then I'll just assume that it's fine.

[orangeandblack5]

I saw little point, but I guess that makes sense.

[Kiyosen]

Actually, if I were to do things based on moderating pressure, I might switch up the experimental change to this:
-Doctor/Serial Killer/Forger(has many experiences with blood)- Helps keep Classic mode stay the same.
-Bodyguard/Werewolf/Disguiser(has a hidden persona)- Decreased pressure on Werewolf like with Doctor/Werewolf/Forger.
-Sheriff/Witch/Godfather(has a dominating presence)- Same decrease in pressure on Godfather and Witch.
(Blackmailer and Disguiser can be switched depending on which role should be more screwed)

Thoughts on this change?

[Kiyosen]

I am thinking of a new experimental change. The bad news is that I got stuck with Retributionist/Amnesiac/Witch.

Removed the poll as it's not giving me good enough feedback.

[Arpitr20]

I really like most of it, except for the vampire hunter, survivor, or vampire. It gives vhs a thing that that person is most likely surv or vamp, and there is never more than 1 vh in all any, so the vh will probably stake them that night or hes confirmed surv. Then surv forced to help town or lynch.

[Kiyosen]

I really like most of it, except for the vampire hunter, survivor, or vampire. It gives vhs a thing that that person is most likely surv or vamp, and there is never more than 1 vh in all any, so the vh will probably stake them that night or hes confirmed surv. Then surv forced to help town or lynch.

I'm not really into it either. How about my experimental change? That's the one I want to push for. Oh, and don't factor in modes like All Any since it's meant to be chaotic. Ranked or Classic(keep this one to a minimum) please.

[Kiyosen]

Adopted my experimental change as my primary change. Also proposed more experimental changes and a question about the Arsonist that I need answers on.

EDIT(11/30/15): Added alternate 4-role results.
EDIT(12/2/15): Adopted the Blackmailer/Disguiser/Forger switch.
EDIT(12/5/15): Thinking about switching Witch with Vampire if only using 3-role results or less. Retributionist/Amnesiac/Vampire flavor text is "can give others a second chance".
EDIT(12/6/15): Did the switch. It's now Retributionist/Amnesiac/Vampire and Transporter/Witch/Framer.
EDIT(12/7/15): Added the Vampire/VH in my review for the old/current Investigator results. Also cleaned some stuff up.

[PortalGun]

Mayor would appear alone or with spy.
They're two easily-tested roles.

"Your target seems someone living by a secret. It must be the mayor or a spy"