Adding "Leaving" as reason for report.

[EqsyLootz]

Greeting's BMG.

I regularly do the trial system in order to justify the guilty or innocence of others and I tend to find a frequent and reoccuring problem that has yet to be fixed.
In the trial system "Leaving" is considered a catagory for judging reports... The only issue is that all the leaving reports are duplicated reports by other jurors. And the reason for this is simple. There is currently no "reported" for leaving system implemented in the in game report a player function.

Overall adding a punishable by leaving will be extremely positive overall. Leaving isn't punishable by gamethrowing's rules rather if there's an accurate report of a player confession to AFK or Leaving it needs to be inno'd under gamethrow and duped to leaving.

Another thing i've noticed is Gamethrowing reports are clogged up with Leaving reports as well. At least 60% I say. And adding a "Leaving" Report option would clear up SO MUCH of the reports making managing the queues much easier as well as insuring players who break the rules dont get unnoticed due to clogged Gamethrowing queues.

Earlier today I used the trial system bot on Discord. And there is over 15k gamethrowing reports in the queue. Lots of them consist of leaving so it's better if all the leaving players get catagorized in one area so actual gamethrowers like those who out their teammates dont go under the radar by having their reports never looked at due to the high ammount of leaving reports.

TL;DR for the lazy ones.
Adding a Leaving reportable reason is a great idea as:
- Saves time for the jurors instead of having to dupe every report
- Doesn't clog up the gamethrowing queue.
- Makes town of Salem a better place by giving actual gamethrowers what they deserve.

I'm unsure whether this would fall under trial-system suggestions however i'm putting it in here none the less.

Thank you.

[cob709]

Would make it easy to just speed through a bunch of leaving reports
/support

[CapWarrior2]

No

People are always complaining about how the game kicks them out of the game or they internet cuts out.
Why would you think making ^ punishable is ok? This would only make the problem worse.
I would say only in Ranked.

(Even then probably no)

[EqsyLootz]

No

People are always complaining about how the game kicks them out of the game or they internet cuts out.
Why would you think making ^ punishable is ok? This would only make the problem worse.
I would say only in Ranked.

If you bothered to read my post you would see it's for Trial System only. I am NOT saying leaving should be a punishable offence I am saying to add it's own queue. Leaving and Afking under the terms of the trial system indicate that only if the leaver and or afker confesses to their actions before doing so.

obviously leaving wouldnt be punishable unless it follows those terms.

[Ezradekezra]

No

People are always complaining about how the game kicks them out of the game or they internet cuts out.
Why would you think making ^ punishable is ok? This would only make the problem worse.
I would say only in Ranked.

I'm pretty sure that leaving reports are for intentional leaving, like when 3 Mafia members leave D1.

[EqsyLootz]

No

People are always complaining about how the game kicks them out of the game or they internet cuts out.
Why would you think making ^ punishable is ok? This would only make the problem worse.
I would say only in Ranked.

I'm pretty sure that leaving reports are for intentional leaving, like when 3 Mafia members leave D1.

yes, exactly. Leaving isn't Guiltyable even if confessional under gamethrowing. It needs to be duped to Leaving.

[CapWarrior2]

No

People are always complaining about how the game kicks them out of the game or they internet cuts out.
Why would you think making ^ punishable is ok? This would only make the problem worse.
I would say only in Ranked.

I'm pretty sure that leaving reports are for intentional leaving, like when 3 Mafia members leave D1.

Their is no 100% way for you to know if one of them really had a proper dc or just left though.

[CapWarrior2]

No

People are always complaining about how the game kicks them out of the game or they internet cuts out.
Why would you think making ^ punishable is ok? This would only make the problem worse.
I would say only in Ranked.

If you bothered to read my post you would see it's for Trial System only. I am NOT saying leaving should be a punishable offence I am saying to add it's own queue. Leaving and Afking under the terms of the trial system indicate that only if the leaver and or afker confesses to their actions before doing so.

obviously leaving wouldnt be punishable unless it follows those terms.

I dont do the trial system, but that seems fine then.

[EqsyLootz]

No

People are always complaining about how the game kicks them out of the game or they internet cuts out.
Why would you think making ^ punishable is ok? This would only make the problem worse.
I would say only in Ranked.

I'm pretty sure that leaving reports are for intentional leaving, like when 3 Mafia members leave D1.

Their is no 100% way for you to know if one of them really had a proper dc or just left though.

The only way someone can be banned for leaving is if they say. "I'm Leaving" then leaves. If someone leaves without saying anything they have to be inno'd as it could be a dc.

[CapWarrior2]

No

People are always complaining about how the game kicks them out of the game or they internet cuts out.
Why would you think making ^ punishable is ok? This would only make the problem worse.
I would say only in Ranked.

I'm pretty sure that leaving reports are for intentional leaving, like when 3 Mafia members leave D1.

Their is no 100% way for you to know if one of them really had a proper dc or just left though.

The only way someone can be banned for leaving is if they say. "I'm Leaving" then leaves. If someone leaves without saying anything they have to be inno'd as it could be a dc.

In that case I support

[dolphina]

/support

[LevinSnakesRise]

Leaving was once available as a report reason in-game. We had to remove it due to constant abuse and botting, and now has to be duped off Gamethrowing reports.

This will not be readded. Apologies.

[Paradox12]

Leaving was once available as a report reason in-game. We had to remove it due to constant abuse and botting, and now has to be duped off Gamethrowing reports.

This will not be readded. Apologies.

The more I read this, the less sense it makes. How can a report reason be "abused"? If you're talking about false reports, that already happens a lot with gamethrowing reports. Otherwise, I don't see what can possibly constitute as "abusing" a report reason.

[dolphina]

F in the chat

[CapWarrior2]

Leaving was once available as a report reason in-game. We had to remove it due to constant abuse and botting, and now has to be duped off Gamethrowing reports.

This will not be readded. Apologies.

The more I read this, the less sense it makes. How can a report reason be "abused"? If you're talking about false reports, that already happens a lot with gamethrowing reports. Otherwise, I don't see what can possibly constitute as "abusing" a report reason.

I'm assuming someone went in with a bunch of bots to report anyone who left.

[cob709]

Leaving was once available as a report reason in-game. We had to remove it due to constant abuse and botting, and now has to be duped off Gamethrowing reports.

This will not be readded. Apologies.

The more I read this, the less sense it makes. How can a report reason be "abused"? If you're talking about false reports, that already happens a lot with gamethrowing reports. Otherwise, I don't see what can possibly constitute as "abusing" a report reason.

I'm assuming someone went in with a bunch of bots to report anyone who left.

As Town of Salem has been moved to p2p, this should no longer be an issue.

[Paradox12]

Leaving was once available as a report reason in-game. We had to remove it due to constant abuse and botting, and now has to be duped off Gamethrowing reports.

This will not be readded. Apologies.

The more I read this, the less sense it makes. How can a report reason be "abused"? If you're talking about false reports, that already happens a lot with gamethrowing reports. Otherwise, I don't see what can possibly constitute as "abusing" a report reason.

I'm assuming someone went in with a bunch of bots to report anyone who left.

As Town of Salem has been moved to p2p, this should no longer be an issue.

I mean, someone can just go in with a bunch of bots and report everyone in the game for gamethrowing...or any other reason. There's no system in place that prevents players from reporting another player for a specific reason. I don't see why leaving should be singled out. And besides, people already tend to report everyone who leaves right now, since every time you see someone disconnect, about 4 or 5 people in the game immediately start screaming to report them.

[LevinSnakesRise]

The botting and scripting mentioned was someone mass-duping and Guiltying leaving reports and causing a huge influx of reports, all you could ever find were Leaving reports (prior to filters being in Trial) because of this. It's less about botting in-game and more about botting in-Trial, however we still have 'botting' issues in-game as well, as irrelevant as that is to the argument. If myself and TP ask, we could probably get the Devs to re-add it, but I wouldn't cross fingers or get your hopes up, since this requires Dev intervention, and we want to avoid more abuse in Trial.

[EqsyLootz]

The botting and scripting mentioned was someone mass-duping and Guiltying leaving reports and causing a huge influx of reports, all you could ever find were Leaving reports (prior to filters being in Trial) because of this. It's less about botting in-game and more about botting in-Trial, however we still have 'botting' issues in-game as well, as irrelevant as that is to the argument. If myself and TP ask, we could probably get the Devs to re-add it, but I wouldn't cross fingers or get your hopes up, since this requires Dev intervention, and we want to avoid more abuse in Trial.

What stops those from botting Spamming?

[LevinSnakesRise]

The botting and scripting mentioned was someone mass-duping and Guiltying leaving reports and causing a huge influx of reports, all you could ever find were Leaving reports (prior to filters being in Trial) because of this. It's less about botting in-game and more about botting in-Trial, however we still have 'botting' issues in-game as well, as irrelevant as that is to the argument. If myself and TP ask, we could probably get the Devs to re-add it, but I wouldn't cross fingers or get your hopes up, since this requires Dev intervention, and we want to avoid more abuse in Trial.

What stops those from botting Spamming?

You can't exactly run a script that counts spamming vs running a script that checks for "has left the game". There isn't a system message written to the log to bot it.

[Paradox12]

The botting and scripting mentioned was someone mass-duping and Guiltying leaving reports and causing a huge influx of reports, all you could ever find were Leaving reports (prior to filters being in Trial) because of this. It's less about botting in-game and more about botting in-Trial, however we still have 'botting' issues in-game as well, as irrelevant as that is to the argument. If myself and TP ask, we could probably get the Devs to re-add it, but I wouldn't cross fingers or get your hopes up, since this requires Dev intervention, and we want to avoid more abuse in Trial.

What stops those from botting Spamming?

You can't exactly run a script that counts spamming vs running a script that checks for "has left the game". There isn't a system message written to the log to bot it.

I mean can't someone do that with any reason? Someone could just mass guilty all spamming reports regardless of validity and still achieve the same effect. If the leaving reports weren't valid, they would get innoed like any other invalid report. I still don't get what you mean here.

[kyuss420]

Problem with it being added for a reason to report, is that it would encourage players to report disconnects and innocent reports, as noobs would think its against the rules because the category is there.

But, like OP said, noobs are reporting it anyway and the G/T category in trials is getting spammed with inno leaving reports, where the player left day 1 or during role wheel without saying a word.

My suggestion would be to add a ''I got butthurt'' category as a reason for report, becuase if there really is 15000 G/T reports in queue, I would predict 10000 are for leaving (9000 of those would be ''left day 1''), 4000 are salt reports and 1000 would be actual guilty g/t reports

[EqsyLootz]

Problem with it being added for a reason to report, is that it would encourage players to report disconnects and innocent reports, as noobs would think its against the rules because the category is there.

But, like OP said, noobs are reporting it anyway and the G/T category in trials is getting spammed with inno leaving reports, where the player left day 1 or during role wheel without saying a word.

My suggestion would be to add a ''I got butthurt'' category as a reason for report, becuase if there really is 15000 G/T reports in queue, I would predict 10000 are for leaving (9000 of those would be ''left day 1''), 4000 are salt reports and 1000 would be actual guilty g/t reports

That is a very accurate. I tend to guilty like 1 out of 15ish gamethrowing reports. Simply due to the fact that most are leaving and more are invalid. As someone being stupid does not warrent a guilty. Only a clear gamethrow can be guiltied such as claiming your role or outing your teamates, admission to gamethrow or killing a confirmed town.

But regardless the fact is that many legit gamethrowers get away with their crimes simply because of the flood of reports. I understand it would be an issue but some people have much more time managing leaving reports then Gamethrowing reports. Regardless of botting.

[kyuss420]

yea, even when you disable ''leaving'' as a category to vote on half the gamethrow reports still have ''leaving'' ''left day 1'' etc as the description.