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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby Soulshade55r » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:11 pm

Robbytherobot wrote:I love the new 5 mafia role list, town still isnt apt to stop insane mafia pushes but it should become known soon enough. ballanced and more skill based I hate NK so this is great.


Preach it brother :)

Same I love this so much I'm actually worried about nk being put back in
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby JTWOLF » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:11 pm

CraZCanuck wrote:
JTWOLF wrote:Why does rank have to be a 15 player set up? Ranked is popular enough that it could allow for larger games and it may make it easier to balance things. Why not have a 20 player set up? If 20 is too much, why not 17 maybe? Also another thing, why does ranked have to contain only 1 set-up? It's always been done like that, maybe a change would be ideal. Shouldn't there be around 5-10 balanced set ups created for ranked? Whenever you play a ranked practice or ranked games, one of these set ups is randomly selected. This would allow variety in ranked, so people aren't playing the same boring set up all the time.

Godfather
Mafioso
Mafia Deception
Mafia Support
Random Mafia
Random Mafia

Neutral Benign
Neutral Evil
Neutral Killing
Neutral Killing

Jailor
Vigilante
Doctor
Investigator
Town Support
Town Protective
Town Killing
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town


As fun as I imagine this would be, I can only imagine how swingy this would be. 2 SKs spawn, kill 2 town N1, maf kills a townie. now evils have a 7/10 majority. This would be problematic, albeit very fun for evils. I'd predict a 50% maf winrate here, with 7-10% WR for NK, and the rest town.


The set up may not be quite right, but still my point is why does ranked have to be 15 players? Why can't it be larger? Larger games would make balancing easier. Also if it does stay at 15 players, why does there only need to be one set up? Can they not have 5-10 set ups created for ranked?
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby lemonader666 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:28 pm

Might as well post this here, GF + Mafioso duo is the best thing we have until tactical mafia killing is implemented.
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Town Investigative
Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Support
Town Killing
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Godfather
Mafioso
Random Mafia
Random Mafia
Witch
Executioner

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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby Soulshade55r » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:31 pm

lemonader666 wrote:Might as well post this here, GF + Mafioso duo is the best thing we have until tactical mafia killing is implemented.
Jailor
Town Investigative
Town Investigative
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Town Support
Town Killing
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Godfather
Mafioso
Random Mafia
Random Mafia
Witch
Executioner


Yeah it sucks cuz 3 Rm allows for diversity just mafioso is needed :/
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby DiamondRanger8 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:27 pm

Imo, this new list is too OP for mafia. I haven't had Town win a single game I've played because Mafia gets Majority so fast. Unless Mayor replaces TS I think NK should be brought back, I think.
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby Soulshade55r » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:33 pm

DiamondRanger8 wrote:Imo, this new list is too OP for mafia. I haven't had Town win a single game I've played because Mafia gets Majority so fast. Unless Mayor replaces TS I think NK should be brought back, I think.

Mayor replacing ts is a good idea

I've seen town win a lot tho
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby cob709 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:07 pm

DiamondRanger8 wrote:Imo, this new list is too OP for mafia. I haven't had Town win a single game I've played because Mafia gets Majority so fast. Unless Mayor replaces TS I think NK should be brought back, I think.

I haven't had a single Mafia win.
100% Town win rate for me.
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby DiamondRanger8 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:38 pm

cob709 wrote:
DiamondRanger8 wrote:Imo, this new list is too OP for mafia. I haven't had Town win a single game I've played because Mafia gets Majority so fast. Unless Mayor replaces TS I think NK should be brought back, I think.

I haven't had a single Mafia win.
100% Town win rate for me.



I have been playing ranked practice, and if Mafia doesn't get killed in the first few nights, Mafia destroys Town from what I've seen.
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby cob709 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:14 pm

DiamondRanger8 wrote:
cob709 wrote:
DiamondRanger8 wrote:Imo, this new list is too OP for mafia. I haven't had Town win a single game I've played because Mafia gets Majority so fast. Unless Mayor replaces TS I think NK should be brought back, I think.

I haven't had a single Mafia win.
100% Town win rate for me.



I have been playing ranked practice, and if Mafia doesn't get killed in the first few nights, Mafia destroys Town from what I've seen.

I have been playing ranked practice, and if Mafia doesn't stay in the first few nights, Town destroys Mafia from what I've seen.

Spoiler: note: this isn't the fault of the role list, rather, it's just a bunch of leavers and game throwers
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby DiamondRanger8 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:08 am

cob709 wrote:
DiamondRanger8 wrote:
cob709 wrote:
DiamondRanger8 wrote:Imo, this new list is too OP for mafia. I haven't had Town win a single game I've played because Mafia gets Majority so fast. Unless Mayor replaces TS I think NK should be brought back, I think.

I haven't had a single Mafia win.
100% Town win rate for me.



I have been playing ranked practice, and if Mafia doesn't get killed in the first few nights, Mafia destroys Town from what I've seen.

I have been playing ranked practice, and if Mafia doesn't stay in the first few nights, Town destroys Mafia from what I've seen.

note: this isn't the fault of the role list, rather, it's just a bunch of leavers and game throwers



Correction: Either Mafia destroys Town or Town destroys Mafia from what I've seen, with rarely an in-between.
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby Royee » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:52 am

DiamondRanger8 wrote:
cob709 wrote:
DiamondRanger8 wrote:
cob709 wrote:
DiamondRanger8 wrote:Imo, this new list is too OP for mafia. I haven't had Town win a single game I've played because Mafia gets Majority so fast. Unless Mayor replaces TS I think NK should be brought back, I think.

I haven't had a single Mafia win.
100% Town win rate for me.



I have been playing ranked practice, and if Mafia doesn't get killed in the first few nights, Mafia destroys Town from what I've seen.

I have been playing ranked practice, and if Mafia doesn't stay in the first few nights, Town destroys Mafia from what I've seen.

note: this isn't the fault of the role list, rather, it's just a bunch of leavers and game throwers



Correction: Either Mafia destroys Town or Town destroys Mafia from what I've seen, with rarely an in-between.

thats awful
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby TheFluffyWaffleV2 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:41 am

Godfather
Mafia Deception
Mafia Deception
Mafia Support
Mafia Killing
Mafia Support
Random Mafia
Random Mafia
Random Mafia

Jailor
Vigilante
Random Town
Random Town

Neutral Evil
Neutral Killing


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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby syjfwbaobfwl » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:19 am

TheFluffyWaffleV2 wrote:Godfather
Mafia Deception
Mafia Deception
Mafia Support
Mafia Killing
Mafia Support
Random Mafia
Random Mafia
Random Mafia

Jailor
Vigilante
Random Town
Random Town

Neutral Evil
Neutral Killing


thank you.



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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby Royee » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:51 am

syjfwbaobfwl wrote:
TheFluffyWaffleV2 wrote:Godfather
Mafia Deception
Mafia Deception
Mafia Support
Mafia Killing
Mafia Support
Random Mafia
Random Mafia
Random Mafia

Jailor
Vigilante
Random Town
Random Town

Neutral Evil
Neutral Killing


thank you.



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no no he has got a point
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby Brilliand » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:16 pm

Royee wrote:
DiamondRanger8 wrote:Correction: Either Mafia destroys Town or Town destroys Mafia from what I've seen, with rarely an in-between.

thats awful


It's the natural consequence of Mafia using a "voting together as a group" strategy. I'm hoping after a while Town will get good enough at countering that strategy that Mafia will have to switch it up.
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby Royee » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:39 pm

Brilliand wrote:
Royee wrote:
DiamondRanger8 wrote:Correction: Either Mafia destroys Town or Town destroys Mafia from what I've seen, with rarely an in-between.

thats awful


It's the natural consequence of Mafia using a "voting together as a group" strategy. I'm hoping after a while Town will get good enough at countering that strategy that Mafia will have to switch it up.

idk about you but i personally wouldn't want to play in a list that it is either town or mafia who often dominates, even if theoretically 50% winrate to each faction, which is odd ngl.
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby Robbytherobot » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:23 pm

The domination thing is now going away as town is getting very wise to d-2 mafia pushes atleast in ranked, expect it to be more close in the future. There was a mafia meta for a bit but its getting too risky now and it gets most of the mafia killed so :)
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby Ezradekezra » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:28 am

TheFluffyWaffleV2 wrote:Godfather
Mafia Deception
Mafia Deception
Mafia Support
Mafia Killing
Mafia Support
Random Mafia
Random Mafia
Random Mafia

Jailor
Vigilante
Random Town
Random Town

Neutral Evil
Neutral Killing


thank you.

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The informed majority vs. the uninformed minority

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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby Royee » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:29 pm

yea you either put a witch or i dont *** care
literally lost because in 5 v 5 v 1 jester decided to side with town
whats the point of leaving some kingmaker scenarios open
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby RiceHatMan » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:04 pm

Royee wrote:yea you either put a witch or i dont *** care
literally lost because in 5 v 5 v 1 jester decided to side with town
whats the point of leaving some kingmaker scenarios open

But just having Witch and Mafia forces Witch to side with Mafia, and a same problem that came from TT will occur. Mafia simply doesn't need Witch to win, but Witch needs Mafia to win. Personally, I don't really think Neutral Evil in general fits with this current role list.
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby Brilliand » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:34 pm

Harryyoshi wrote:But just having Witch and Mafia forces Witch to side with Mafia, and a same problem that came from TT will occur. Mafia simply doesn't need Witch to win, but Witch needs Mafia to win. Personally, I don't really think Neutral Evil in general fits with this current role list.


To be fair, the problem in TT is worse, because the Mafia there has an alternate win condition that requires the Witch to die.

(I'm not disagreeing mind you.)
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby cob709 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:33 pm

TheFluffyWaffleV2 wrote:Godfather
Mafia Deception
Mafia Deception
Mafia Support
Mafia Killing
Mafia Support
Random Mafia
Random Mafia
Random Mafia

Jailor
Vigilante
Random Town
Random Town

Neutral Evil
Neutral Killing


thank you.

Wait- you might be onto something.
All we need to do is make sure that the Mafia is not informed of each other, and the Town is.
Oh my god- you're a genius.
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby Robbytherobot » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:28 am

That would be SUPER funny if they had a reverse mode but made sure to nerf mafia or have some other sort of mafia debuff for that one mode.
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby syjfwbaobfwl » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:12 am

Since we are with test rolelist I would like to suggest this one



Vigilante+Sheriff or Mayor+Bodyguard or Jailor+escort
Town (Killing) (no jailor)
Town (Killing) (no jailor)
Town (Protective)
Town (Support) (No mayor)
Town (Investigative)
Random Town
Random Town
Godfather
Mafioso
Mafia deception (in vigi games)orAmbusher(in jailor or mayor games)
Mafia (Deception)
Mafia (Support)
Mafia (Support)

I want to try this

A real two factional game
-I would really like to see a list where neutrals dont exist at all

No jailor
-Do I need to explain this? is a test rolelist

Very agressive gameplay
-Mafia has 2 kpn so they can get majority on day 3, but town has either a mayor and a vigilante or a jailor and a vigilante (plus the other TK which is either another vigi or a veteran)
Less swing and sinergy
-Sheriff is the most basic role, all social deduction games have an equivalent and makes sinergy with vigilantes so they know who to shoot and bodyguard with mayor because if the TP is doctor then they are screwed and jailor with escort because they both roleblock
-2 random town and just 1 TI give less claimspace for mafia but if they play well, they dont need to claim, also it reduces swing and chances of LO so the meta is not that effective
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Re: Ranked Rolelists

Postby Ezradekezra » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:17 am

syjfwbaobfwl wrote:Vigilante+Sheriff or Mayor+Bodyguard or Jailor+escort

One of these makes Mafia (Deception) way more powerful than it needs to be. I don't think I need to point out which.
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