Coven vs Transporter autowin fix

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Coven vs Transporter autowin fix

Postby OreCreeper » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:00 pm

Coven Leader should autowin against the transporter since it has basic defense, and the transporter has no way of killing the CL. All other coven roles should autolose against the trans since the trans can just keep transing himself, and can make the coven member kill themselves.
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Re: Coven vs Transporter autowin fix

Postby Joacgroso » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:33 pm

If gfs autowin against transporters, cl should too. However, I don't think Medusa and the necromancer should autowin in that situation. Medusa can choose wheter to stone the transporter or stay home, while the transporter can choose wheter to swap himself with Medusa or not, which means both can win in that situation. A necromancer could kill the transporter by reanimating a ww or a vigi, so the game shouldn't end prematurely with a town win.
I'm not sure about hex masters. Does having astral visits mean that they are transporter-immune since they don't actually visit?
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Re: Coven vs Transporter autowin fix

Postby Brilliand » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:40 pm

Joacgroso wrote:Medusa can choose wheter to stone the transporter or stay home, while the transporter can choose wheter to swap himself with Medusa or not, which means both can win in that situation.


Yeah, draw resolution shouldn't activate for this.

Joacgroso wrote:A necromancer could kill the transporter by reanimating a ww or a vigi, so the game shouldn't end prematurely with a town win.


Even with a WW or Vig, she'd still have to target herself, which she can't do.

Joacgroso wrote:I'm not sure about hex masters. Does having astral visits mean that they are transporter-immune since they don't actually visit?


Astral visits do not bypass the Transporter.
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Re: Coven vs Transporter autowin fix

Postby Joacgroso » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:30 pm

What about an ambusher?
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Also, please nerf vampire hunters.
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Re: Coven vs Transporter autowin fix

Postby Brilliand » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:37 pm

Joacgroso wrote:What about an ambusher?


Oh, you're right - an ambusher would cause the Necromancer to win (if the Transporter was transporting).
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Re: Coven vs Transporter autowin fix

Postby OreCreeper » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:32 pm

Brilliand wrote:
Joacgroso wrote:What about an ambusher?


Oh, you're right - an ambusher would cause the Necromancer to win (if the Transporter was transporting).

A necromancer can't target herself with any role (only her allies if it's a non-attacking role). This is proven because you can't use doctor to self heal as necromancer (I think this applies to ambusher as well). So CL auto wins vs trans, Necro, PM, HM, and poisoner would lose, while with medusa it'll carry on.
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Re: Coven vs Transporter autowin fix

Postby Joacgroso » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:45 pm

But if the necromancer makes ambusher visit trans and trans swaps himself with necro, then the ambusher will visit the necromancer and kill the transporter.
Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.

I still hope one day the game will have private lobbies. They would really help.
Also, please nerf vampire hunters.
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Re: Coven vs Transporter autowin fix

Postby kyuss420 » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:35 am

Joacgroso wrote:But if the necromancer makes ambusher visit trans and trans swaps himself with necro, then the ambusher will visit the necromancer and kill the transporter.


Yep, same would happen if he sent a crusader to the transporter.

Providing ofc that theres an ambusher or crusader in game, that wasnt stoned or cleaned, or previously used (not often they wont be used til end game)

Also I dont think Medusa has unlimited home gazes, even with Necronomicon... tho i could be wrong.
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Re: Coven vs Transporter autowin fix

Postby PatrykSzczescie » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:34 am

Stalemates vs transporters:
Coven Leader - Coven wins (Coven Leader can't be killed).
Medusa - Coven wins (Town can't win).
Poisoner - Town wins.
Potion Master - Town wins.
Hex Master - can astral attack be transed? Yes - Town wins. No - Coven wins.
Necromancer - game doesn't end.
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Re: Coven vs Transporter autowin fix

Postby Joacgroso » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:35 am

Town can actually win against Medusa. If Medusa visits transporter and he swaps himself with Medusa, Medusa will stone herself.
Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.

I still hope one day the game will have private lobbies. They would really help.
Also, please nerf vampire hunters.
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