Transporters can only transport 3 times

[awa2001]

This would add balance in two main ways:

1. Transporter no longer OP in the endgame just by existing. I don't have a problem with them being powerful, it's the fact that they simply have no limit on their ability. Like a Veteran, Jailor, Mayor, or any other powerful Town role, a transporter would have to time their ability right in order to be powerful.

2. Transporter would be easier to lie about and harder to prove.

I don't expect this to get a lot of support because, let's face it, Transporter is pretty fun as it is. You can cause nightly chaos with pretty much no restrictions. As an evil role, however, it's much easier to see how Transporter is imbalanced. It's made worse by the fact that, unlike other "Town Power" roles, there can be many of them at once. Giving them only 3 transportation would force them to be smarter about their ability and give evil roles a legitimate chance to claim transporter.

[dolphina]

/nosupport

do I really need to explain how bad this idea is

[JakeTheSnake5963]

/nosupport

Transporters can already screw up investigative results and cause enough confusion for town as it helps. No need to nerf a cool role like this tbh.

[Brilliand]

It does need a nerf, but I don't like this method of nerfing it.

Note that this wouldn't make Transporter any less confirmable, as 3 transports is enough to visit 6 people and thus confirm yourself to half the Town. This change would just make the Transporter worse at everything besides confirming himself.

[Soulshade55r]

my change would be to allow transporter only one self transport and not sending a message to the target that was trans'd

[dolphina]

my change would be to allow transporter only one self transport and not sending a message to the target that was trans'd

Message should still be sent imo

[Soulshade55r]

my change would be to allow transporter only one self transport and not sending a message to the target that was trans'd

Messae should still be sent imo

Would let transporter try hard to self proove by making mafia kill another mafia instead of ez confirm

[dolphina]

my change would be to allow transporter only one self transport and not sending a message to the target that was trans'd

Message should still be sent imo

Would let transporter try hard to self proove by making mafia kill another mafia instead of ez confirm

interesting idea but I politely disagree

[Soulshade55r]

How would you go about "fixing" transporters easy self confirm-ability?

[OreCreeper]

How would you go about "fixing" transporters easy self confirm-ability?

You can't. The fundamental function of the role requires that it sends a message. Otherwise the role has the possibility to harm town, which would make the role negative utility. Imagine if a sheriff finds a townie transed with mafia. The sheriff calls out the townie as suspicious, but the townie doesnt know if they are transed or not. So the townie is lynched and sheriff gets executed. This kind of shit is why the transport message is needed.

[Brilliand]

How would you go about "fixing" transporters easy self confirm-ability?

You can't. The fundamental function of the role requires that it sends a message. Otherwise the role has the possibility to harm town, which would make the role negative utility.

Sort of like Vigilante?

This isn't what negative utility is. Negative utility is when it usually harms Town, even when used intelligently. And for a Transporter-with-no-messages, posting your will at the start of each day is sufficient to avoid harming the Town (unless someone botches their scumread and disbelieves your will).

Imagine if a sheriff finds a townie transed with mafia. The sheriff calls out the townie as suspicious, but the townie doesnt know if they are transed or not. So the townie is lynched and sheriff gets executed. This kind of shit is why the transport message is needed.

All the Transporter needs to do to prevent this is announce their transport. That's very basic strategy, every remotely competent Transporter will be doing it.

[Soulshade55r]

Agreed honestly it also would give scum a fake claim and another defence over "I was framed!"
There's actually no real need in the transport message it generally won't effect the actual targets result it will only affect who the person got targeted by.

The thing is that it punishes transporter for making mistakes like a lot of roles get, vig shooting town, vet killing town, escort rbing Ti's, Doctor saving a evil, If a sheriff finds a trans'd sus it's up to the transporter to out that yes they were trans'd with another player and sheriff invested "X" then town would look into hanging the other person instead based on how The trans has been acting ect.

Town night abilities can punish other town by being used wrong

[OreCreeper]

Agreed honestly it also would give scum a fake claim and another defence over "I was framed!"
There's actually no real need in the transport message it generally won't effect the actual targets result it will only affect who the person got targeted by.

The thing is that it punishes transporter for making mistakes like a lot of roles get, vig shooting town, vet killing town, escort rbing Ti's, Doctor saving a evil, If a sheriff finds a trans'd sus it's up to the transporter to out that yes they were trans'd with another player and sheriff invested "X" then town would look into hanging the other person instead based on how The trans has been acting ect.

Town night abilities can punish other town by being used wrong

Practically yes, but in reality, no. Transporters rarely come out, and just today, I was witch and I controlled a sheriff who was transported with the mafioso. The sheriff calls me witch while I accuse them of being the mafioso. The transporter didn't come out until the sheriff claim was already lynched. This was master elo ranked.

[Brilliand]

Practically yes, but in reality, no.

Huh? That doesn't make sense.

Transporters rarely come out

Wow, you are playing with some shitty players.

and just today, I was witch and I controlled a sheriff who was transported with the mafioso. The sheriff calls me witch while I accuse them of being the mafioso. The transporter didn't come out until the sheriff claim was already lynched. This was master elo ranked.

How did you get into master ELO ranked?

Oh wait, I know the answer. This season has gone on so long that even Master ELO is part of ELO hell now.

[texer]

Transporter message should definitely still happen, as if you were actually a person in the game, you would know that you were transported to another location.