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Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Retri

Postby Itsaluigi » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:20 pm

It's very annoying when you're one of these roles and the dead leave immediately before you can even do anything.
Maybe put a little prompt under the "You have died!" message telling you who's there, or put a little symbol next to their name.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby Mikemk » Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:20 pm

There is a message that says, "You have died, but don't leave yet, there might be a medium or a retributionist" the first few times.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby Villagerlover » Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:34 pm

This is an awful idea.
It just confirms the presence of Mediums and Retributionists. Town already has enough ways to confirm others.
People just need to learn to be more patient.

Mikemk wrote:There is a message that says, "You have died, but don't leave yet, there might be a medium or a retributionist" the first few times.


No there isn't.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby Mikemk » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:09 pm

Villagerlover wrote:
Mikemk wrote:There is a message that says, "You have died, but don't leave yet, there might be a medium or a retributionist" the first few times.


No there isn't.

Yes there is. I'm not going to create a new account to show you, but trust me, there is.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby KatiyaKramer » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:33 pm

Mikemk wrote:
Villagerlover wrote:
Mikemk wrote:There is a message that says, "You have died, but don't leave yet, there might be a medium or a retributionist" the first few times.


No there isn't.

Yes there is. I'm not going to create a new account to show you, but trust me, there is.

Um, no. There is not and never has been such a message.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby MoustachioMario » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:30 pm

KatiyaKramer wrote:
Mikemk wrote:
Villagerlover wrote:
Mikemk wrote:There is a message that says, "You have died, but don't leave yet, there might be a medium or a retributionist" the first few times.


No there isn't.

Yes there is. I'm not going to create a new account to show you, but trust me, there is.

Um, no. There is not and never has been such a message.


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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby shelboo » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:58 pm

OP's suggestion was:
Maybe put a little prompt under the "You have died!" message telling you who's there, or put a little symbol next to their name.


This currently is not in place. OP's suggestion implies that every time you die, presumably as a townie, you will get some sort of a message. Anyone can browse through the game's files to see the leave warning messages which are:

"Leave the game? (You will not be awarded merit points if you leave early.)"

"You can still help your team! Are you sure you want to leave? (You will not be awarded merit points and you may have to wait before you can join another game if you leave now.)

The tips aren't really that relevant to this suggestion.


With that said, I don't think it'll do much. It wouldn't be good if the game let players know that there is a Medium or Ret. Maybe you're the first townie dead and on Night 2, you're trying to communicate to the Medium. No one is responding. Is there a Medium or not? Well, there is. It's just that the Medium was jailed. It would be an unfair advantage for Townies to know for sure if there is a Ret or Medium.

A warning message that there could be one? Yeah, no harm in that but ultimately players will ignore it. Those who are team players will stick around and those who aren't will continue to leave games.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby Villagerlover » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:50 pm

Mikemk wrote:
Villagerlover wrote:
Mikemk wrote:There is a message that says, "You have died, but don't leave yet, there might be a medium or a retributionist" the first few times.


No there isn't.

Yes there is. I'm not going to create a new account to show you, but trust me, there is.


I've been playing this game since June of 2015.
There has never been a message like this, ever. So no, I don't trust you lol.
There will never be one either. It's a bad idea since it will ultimately help town, and isn't really effective on getting people to stay anyway, as shelboo has mentioned.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby Sylek » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:42 am

Villagerlover wrote:
Mikemk wrote:
Villagerlover wrote:
Mikemk wrote:There is a message that says, "You have died, but don't leave yet, there might be a medium or a retributionist" the first few times.


No there isn't.

Yes there is. I'm not going to create a new account to show you, but trust me, there is.


I've been playing this game since June of 2015.
There has never been a message like this, ever. So no, I don't trust you lol.
There will never be one either. It's a bad idea since it will ultimately help town, and isn't really effective on getting people to stay anyway, as shelboo has mentioned.


I don't see how it will outright help town as the player is already dead and cannot directly communicate to the town. If there is a medium who does its job, town can (and already does) try to confirm the exact number and relay that information. Then if there is a ret, that revived town can then relay that information themselves. If the message is displayed only to a player who has died in the manner of:
"You have died."
"There is a medium or retributionist."
then town itself is still unaware until those particular roles reveal themselves.

I won't say this idea will actually be effective in getting people to say, as I personally think Medium is generally useless.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby Mikemk » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:25 pm

Villagerlover wrote:
Mikemk wrote:
Villagerlover wrote:
Mikemk wrote:There is a message that says, "You have died, but don't leave yet, there might be a medium or a retributionist" the first few times.


No there isn't.

Yes there is. I'm not going to create a new account to show you, but trust me, there is.


I've been playing this game since June of 2015.
There has never been a message like this, ever. So no, I don't trust you lol.
There will never be one either. It's a bad idea since it will ultimately help town, and isn't really effective on getting people to stay anyway, as shelboo has mentioned.

Maybe that's why you've never seen it. I assure you, the message is there, but only for new players.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby Sylek » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:03 pm

Mikemk wrote:
Villagerlover wrote:
Mikemk wrote:
Villagerlover wrote:
Mikemk wrote:There is a message that says, "You have died, but don't leave yet, there might be a medium or a retributionist" the first few times.


No there isn't.

Yes there is. I'm not going to create a new account to show you, but trust me, there is.


I've been playing this game since June of 2015.
There has never been a message like this, ever. So no, I don't trust you lol.
There will never be one either. It's a bad idea since it will ultimately help town, and isn't really effective on getting people to stay anyway, as shelboo has mentioned.

Maybe that's why you've never seen it. I assure you, the message is there, but only for new players.

Regardless of whether or not this message exists, the way you're saying it's phrased is that there may or may not be a med/ret in the particular game. Just that the roles exist in general and affect the dead. This thread is to tell the dead "hey, there is med/ret in this game with you."
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby Mikemk » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:18 pm

/nosupport because it confirms roles.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby kyuss420 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:23 am

I still get that message, it exists. Most players who die will stay for a night or 2 to see if theres a medium/ret. Those who leave straight away, obviously dont care if theres a medium or ret, or have no info to pass on anyway, especially early game
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby MoustachioMario » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:59 am

Mikemk wrote:/nosupport because it confirms roles.


I don't see how it confirms roles.

the message:

"You have a feeling there is a medium or retributionist."

doesn't tell you which one is in the town.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby MysticMismagius » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:12 am

MoustachioMario wrote:
Mikemk wrote:/nosupport because it confirms roles.
I don't see how it confirms roles.

The message: "You have a feeling there is a medium or retributionist." doesn't tell you which one is in the town.
Step 1: be a Medium
Step 2: Someone else claims Medium/Ret in day chat
Step 3: You die
Step 4: You don’t see the message that there is a medium, because the only one (you) is dead
Step 5: You seance a townie and tell them that there’s no medium
Step 6: The other medium/ret claim is confirmed pants-on-fire and gets hanged
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby MoustachioMario » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:36 am

MysticMismagius wrote:
MoustachioMario wrote:
Mikemk wrote:/nosupport because it confirms roles.
I don't see how it confirms roles.

The message: "You have a feeling there is a medium or retributionist." doesn't tell you which one is in the town.
Step 1: be a Medium
Step 2: Someone else claims Medium/Ret in day chat
Step 3: You die
Step 4: You don’t see the message that there is a medium, because the only one (you) is dead
Step 5: You seance a townie and tell them that there’s no medium
Step 6: The other medium/ret claim is confirmed pants-on-fire and gets hanged


You still can get the other medium lynched without the message

The other medium doesn't post at night, you seance a townie and say "hey they haven't spoke to the dead at all"

They get lynched
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby MysticMismagius » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:02 am

MoustachioMario wrote:
MysticMismagius wrote:
MoustachioMario wrote:
Mikemk wrote:/nosupport because it confirms roles.
I don't see how it confirms roles.

The message: "You have a feeling there is a medium or retributionist." doesn't tell you which one is in the town.
Step 1: be a Medium
Step 2: Someone else claims Medium/Ret in day chat
Step 3: You die
Step 4: You don’t see the message that there is a medium, because the only one (you) is dead
Step 5: You seance a townie and tell them that there’s no medium
Step 6: The other medium/ret claim is confirmed pants-on-fire and gets hanged
You still can get the other medium lynched without the message

The other medium doesn't post at night, you seance a townie and say "hey they haven't spoke to the dead at all"

They get lynched
Yes, but...
- This doesn’t work with Ret fake claims. Most Rets wouldn’t revive a Medium, and they can’t talk to the dead so you can’ use that as a test.
- Not having the message buys the Medium fake-claim a night to pretend to be Medium. If the message was there, the dead Medium would know instantly that the other claim was a fake, so they’d get outed faster.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby ElderSivart » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:13 am

MysticMismagius wrote:
MoustachioMario wrote:
Mikemk wrote:/nosupport because it confirms roles.
I don't see how it confirms roles.

The message: "You have a feeling there is a medium or retributionist." doesn't tell you which one is in the town.
Step 1: be a Medium
Step 2: Someone else claims Medium/Ret in day chat
Step 3: You die
Step 4: You don’t see the message that there is a medium, because the only one (you) is dead
Step 5: You seance a townie and tell them that there’s no medium
Step 6: The other medium/ret claim is confirmed pants-on-fire and gets hanged

Make it so that the message shows up if Medium/Ret exists in the game, and not if a Medium/Ret is alive, and that fixes this problem. The dead Medium will get the message because they themselves are Medium.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby MysticMismagius » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:24 am

ElderSivart wrote:Make it so that the message shows up if Medium/Ret exists in the game, and not if a Medium/Ret is alive, and that fixes this problem. The dead Medium will get the message because they themselves are Medium.
But then, once any Medium or Retributionist dies, the message is rendered meaningless. The entire point of having the message in the first place is so that a dead person doesn’t have to wait a night to determine if it’s worth sticking around, but with this change they’d have to wait anyway.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby ElderSivart » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:29 am

MysticMismagius wrote:
ElderSivart wrote:Make it so that the message shows up if Medium/Ret exists in the game, and not if a Medium/Ret is alive, and that fixes this problem. The dead Medium will get the message because they themselves are Medium.
But then, once any Medium or Retributionist dies, the message is rendered meaningless. The entire point of having the message in the first place is so that a dead person doesn’t have to wait a night to determine if it’s worth sticking around, but with this change they’d have to wait anyway.

I'd argue it's still better than not having it at all.

If the message doesn't pop up, you can leave. If it does, wait.

Currently you have to wait no matter what.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby KatiyaKramer » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:42 am

Another problem with a potential message could be if someone dies and they get no message, meaning there is no medium/ret, what's stopping them from leaving and proving to those alive "Hey, this townie left right away, there must not be a medium or ret so anyone claiming to be one is evil."

There is just too many negatives to having this message that could drastically alter gameplay.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby Flavorable » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:44 am

ElderSivart wrote:
MysticMismagius wrote:
ElderSivart wrote:Make it so that the message shows up if Medium/Ret exists in the game, and not if a Medium/Ret is alive, and that fixes this problem. The dead Medium will get the message because they themselves are Medium.
But then, once any Medium or Retributionist dies, the message is rendered meaningless. The entire point of having the message in the first place is so that a dead person doesn’t have to wait a night to determine if it’s worth sticking around, but with this change they’d have to wait anyway.

I'd argue it's still better than not having it at all.

If the message doesn't pop up, you can leave. If it does, wait.

Currently you have to wait no matter what.


No one's ever died from waiting out till a game is done.

As for the general idea.. I am against this for a multitude of reasons, some being:

- It's unnecessary.
- If there's a message saying there is a Ret/Med, silent meds are suddenly no longer a valid strategy.
- "All town are leaving.. Guess all Med/Ret claims are fake!"
- Encouraging leaving a match prematurely is always a bad idea.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby Zyprexa2024 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:13 am

Mikemk wrote:
Villagerlover wrote:
Mikemk wrote:
Villagerlover wrote:
Mikemk wrote:There is a message that says, "You have died, but don't leave yet, there might be a medium or a retributionist" the first few times.


No there isn't.

Yes there is. I'm not going to create a new account to show you, but trust me, there is.


I've been playing this game since June of 2015.
There has never been a message like this, ever. So no, I don't trust you lol.
There will never be one either. It's a bad idea since it will ultimately help town, and isn't really effective on getting people to stay anyway, as shelboo has mentioned.

Maybe that's why you've never seen it. I assure you, the message is there, but only for new players.


he's right, it's a tip those things that pop up for a while when you are first playing, but also this is completely irrelevant to the discussion. I like the idea of a "there is a medium or retributionist" message when you die and there is. This is a thing that would help town, and town right now doesn't need a buff.
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby kyuss420 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:52 am

:idea: There actually is a way to tell if theres a medium in game....wait 30 seconds until the night phase, and see if one speaks :idea: :idea: :idea:
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Re: Give the dead a way to tell when there is a Medium or Re

Postby Google » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:16 pm

kyuss420 wrote::idea: There actually is a way to tell if theres a medium in game....wait 30 seconds until the night phase, and see if one speaks :idea: :idea: :idea:

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