Dev Update 12/04/2018

[DragonClaw66]

Do you guys even play this game? Just asking....

Are you asking because you think the Sheriff change is bad?

[InvinciblePlay]

Hello! I have noticed that as a Grandfathered account owner, I am currently unable to create reference codes. Is this intended or not?

[slasherslayer]

So. On the subject of ranked changes, when do we finally see ret removed from ranked? It's been broken since forever, and usually if ret pulls off the rez town wins.

The changes made are ehh, imo. I'm fine with sheriff change, happy to see nk's getting some claim space. As far as ww is concerned, I don't like it at all, as a strategy would be to ask a known jailor to jail you, and then kill any tps on him without suffering. The last thing werewolf needed was a nerf.

[TGambitG]

All really good changes. The spam improvements are good, but heavy-handed, but I don't see how you could do it otherwise without a LOT of coding. So I completely understand it.

The Jailor/WW and Sheriff fixes are great, really gives a bit of a buff to NK with the second change.

Could you also look into the problem of people using extremely similar names in order to cause confusion? That is a serious issue in a lot of ranked games lately.

**EDIT** Because people choosing similar names BEFORE knowing roles can cause serious issues because if they're on the same team, and someone checks them/frames/etc it causes mass confusion when there really shouldn't be. Not to mention it's done simply to troll.

[Parallax7]

Achilles - will the Frame + Focus Framer be implementated post Unity?

[Achilles]

Hello! I have noticed that as a Grandfathered account owner, I am currently unable to create reference codes. Is this intended or not?

Yes only premium users get referral codes. Free users who got grandfathered do not get them unless they upgrade to premium.

[Achilles]

The changes made are ehh, imo. I'm fine with sheriff change, happy to see nk's getting some claim space. As far as ww is concerned, I don't like it at all, as a strategy would be to ask a known jailor to jail you, and then kill any tps on him without suffering. The last thing werewolf needed was a nerf.

It was a bug fix. It's like if Blizzard fixed a bug that allows Genji to animation cancel his ult and then people say that he got an unneeded nerf.

[Achilles]

Achilles - will the Frame + Focus Framer be implementated post Unity?

Either focus or ability to swap investigative results with another person will likely be the Framer change

[Litterial]

I like all of the changes except the sheriff change. In it's state right now, it's a nerf to Town, Serial Killer and Werewolf. Sometimes, Town wants to opt into killing a Mafia member rather than the NK and this change takes away the ability to differentiate both.

[123zane321]

tldr; rip sheriff

[Parallax7]

Achilles - will the Frame + Focus Framer be implementated post Unity?

Either focus or ability to swap investigative results with another person will likely be the Framer change

I’d restrain from swapping investigatives ~ disallows interaction with Lookout/Tracker.

[Parallax7]

I like all of the changes except the sheriff change. In it's state right now, it's a nerf to Town, Serial Killer and Werewolf. Sometimes, Town wants to opt into killing a Mafia member rather than the NK and this change takes away the ability to differentiate both.

Scum is scum if you aren’t killing scum you’re bad, pretty point blank.

[Chemist1422]

I like all of the changes except the sheriff change. In it's state right now, it's a nerf to Town, Serial Killer and Werewolf. Sometimes, Town wants to opt into killing a Mafia member rather than the NK and this change takes away the ability to differentiate both.

Scum is scum if you aren’t killing scum you’re bad, pretty point blank.

I disagree. In a situation with Sheriff/2 whatever townies (Med/TI/ret that's used its ability/etc)/2 mafia/SK being able to differentiate between mafia/SK is important, as lynching a mafia and having the SK kill the other mafia leads to a win, when lynching the SK is a lose.

[Parallax7]

I like all of the changes except the sheriff change. In it's state right now, it's a nerf to Town, Serial Killer and Werewolf. Sometimes, Town wants to opt into killing a Mafia member rather than the NK and this change takes away the ability to differentiate both.

Scum is scum if you aren’t killing scum you’re bad, pretty point blank.

I disagree. In a situation with Sheriff/2 whatever townies (Med/TI/ret that's used its ability/etc)/2 mafia/SK being able to differentiate between mafia/SK is important, as lynching a mafia and having the SK kill the other mafia leads to a win, when lynching the SK is a lose.

If town got itself into that situation it doesn’t really deserve to win, imo.

I.E: Kingmakimg is bad.

[Litterial]

I like all of the changes except the sheriff change. In it's state right now, it's a nerf to Town, Serial Killer and Werewolf. Sometimes, Town wants to opt into killing a Mafia member rather than the NK and this change takes away the ability to differentiate both.

-Town needs a Nerf
-But NK now can claim framed easily, that's the point.
-NK shouldn't get wins just because their NKs

I'm actually fine with the change nerfing town. I just think it does more harm than good for NK. To me, the ability to say you got framed or that executioner is pushing you as a "Town" doesn't seem like a big enough buff for these NK's compared to the negative of being found by the sheriff as the Serial Killer or WW.

[NateNate60]

The sheriff change seems a bit odd because a nerf to sheriff is absolutely not needed as the role is already ridiculously easy to claim.
Nerfing werewolf seems like an absolute son of a gun change. There's nothing wrong with Werewolf at the moment and it's not terribly unbalanced. Why even do this? I also disagree with the idea the promotional purchases don't make you a premium user. I understand that the 1300 TP referral bonus for a $1 purchase opens the doors for abuse, but a fairer system would probably be to only award the referral bonus after the purchases reach $5. If you spend any sum of money at all, I think the odds are quite high that you're not a bot. I don't think bot makers are willing to spend a single cent on their "activity".

Why are you all wasting your time applying balance changes to Werewolf and Sheriff? They're fine the way they are. There are a lot of better things to do, the most notable of which:

[*] Fixing the taunts and not allowing their use as a method of communication. Dead players cannot taunt/their taunt can only be seen by other dead players.
[*] Fixing the achievements providing information that they shouldn't. Show them at the end of the game.
[*] Buff Serial Killer instead. It's arguably the worst NK right now since it loses in a stalemate to all other NKs, is not Detection Immune, ever, and has the lowest attack value.

tl;dr fix your game before doing this useless flummery

[Villagerlover]

The sheriff change seems a bit odd because a nerf to sheriff is absolutely not needed as the role is already ridiculously easy to claim.
Nerfing werewolf seems like an absolute son of a gun change. There's nothing wrong with Werewolf at the moment and it's not terribly unbalanced. Why even do this? I also disagree with the idea the promotional purchases don't make you a premium user. I understand that the 1300 TP referral bonus for a $1 purchase opens the doors for abuse, but a fairer system would probably be to only award the referral bonus after the purchases reach $5. If you spend any sum of money at all, I think the odds are quite high that you're not a bot. I don't think bot makers are willing to spend a single cent on their "activity".

Why are you all wasting your time applying balance changes to Werewolf and Sheriff? They're fine the way they are. There are a lot of better things to do, the most notable of which:

[*] Fixing the taunts and not allowing their use as a method of communication. Dead players cannot taunt/their taunt can only be seen by other dead players.
[*] Fixing the achievements providing information that they shouldn't. Show them at the end of the game.
[*] Buff Serial Killer instead. It's arguably the worst NK right now since it loses in a stalemate to all other NKs, is not Detection Immune, ever, and has the lowest attack value.

tl;dr fix your game before doing this useless flummery

Um...
With this new implementation, there is now more room for Serial Killers and Werewolves to claim since they no longer appear as their respective roles...I don't see why you need to complain about this. A sheriff can still find out when a person is an opposer to town or not, so it's not at all a big deal like you're making it out to be. As a sheriff, you shouldn't care if the person is a "higher priority to kill" or not anyway. You should just know that anyone who opposes you needs to be lynched or killed like your goal states.

[greenrabbit7]

I don't like the I am blackmailed. change. I'd usually spam it so people would see that, yknow, im not just posting it once and being done.

[BasicFourLife]

This change may be good but it’s not enough. Although there are some easily codable changes I could think of more such as:

Making Bodyguard unable to saved if it successfully protects someone
Reducing the amount of bullets Vigilante has to 2 and making it throw away all remaining bullets instead of committing suicide upon shooting a Townie
Making Veteran’s alerts also protect you from harmful actions such as Dousing and Infecting (a Vet alert is supposed to give you full immunity)

[eoJ1]

Agree with the concerns about sheriff and spam/BM messages.

I think in regards to spam, a better solution would be harsher warning messages (e.g. 'Please don't spam the chat. If you continue to do so, you may be banned') and more discretion available to judges and jurors (as you say, I see plenty of people with only one instance of reasonable spam who I feel I have to guilty, as well as many people who don't technically meet the criteria for spamming, but clearly are).

[Litterial]

The sheriff change seems a bit odd because a nerf to sheriff is absolutely not needed as the role is already ridiculously easy to claim.
Nerfing werewolf seems like an absolute son of a gun change. There's nothing wrong with Werewolf at the moment and it's not terribly unbalanced. Why even do this? I also disagree with the idea the promotional purchases don't make you a premium user. I understand that the 1300 TP referral bonus for a $1 purchase opens the doors for abuse, but a fairer system would probably be to only award the referral bonus after the purchases reach $5. If you spend any sum of money at all, I think the odds are quite high that you're not a bot. I don't think bot makers are willing to spend a single cent on their "activity".

Why are you all wasting your time applying balance changes to Werewolf and Sheriff? They're fine the way they are. There are a lot of better things to do, the most notable of which:

[*] Fixing the taunts and not allowing their use as a method of communication. Dead players cannot taunt/their taunt can only be seen by other dead players.
[*] Fixing the achievements providing information that they shouldn't. Show them at the end of the game.
[*] Buff Serial Killer instead. It's arguably the worst NK right now since it loses in a stalemate to all other NKs, is not Detection Immune, ever, and has the lowest attack value.

tl;dr fix your game before doing this useless flummery

Um...
With this new implementation, there is now more room for Serial Killers and Werewolves to claim since they no longer appear as their respective roles...I don't see why you need to complain about this. A sheriff can still find out when a person is an opposer to town or not, so it's not at all a big deal like you're making it out to be. As a sheriff, you shouldn't care if the person is a "higher priority to kill" or not anyway. You should just know that anyone who opposes you needs to be lynched or killed like your goal states.

There are multiple 3 vs 3 vs 1 and 4 vs 4 vs 1 situations where if Town kills the NK, they give Mafia full control of the game and lose the game where as if they killed the a Mafia, they can outplay to force a draw or a win depending on what Town roles are still left in the game.

[rushofpower]

The sheriff change seems a bit odd because a nerf to sheriff is absolutely not needed as the role is already ridiculously easy to claim.
Nerfing werewolf seems like an absolute son of a gun change. There's nothing wrong with Werewolf at the moment and it's not terribly unbalanced. Why even do this? I also disagree with the idea the promotional purchases don't make you a premium user. I understand that the 1300 TP referral bonus for a $1 purchase opens the doors for abuse, but a fairer system would probably be to only award the referral bonus after the purchases reach $5. If you spend any sum of money at all, I think the odds are quite high that you're not a bot. I don't think bot makers are willing to spend a single cent on their "activity".

Why are you all wasting your time applying balance changes to Werewolf and Sheriff? They're fine the way they are. There are a lot of better things to do, the most notable of which:

[*] Fixing the taunts and not allowing their use as a method of communication. Dead players cannot taunt/their taunt can only be seen by other dead players.
[*] Fixing the achievements providing information that they shouldn't. Show them at the end of the game.
[*] Buff Serial Killer instead. It's arguably the worst NK right now since it loses in a stalemate to all other NKs, is not Detection Immune, ever, and has the lowest attack value.

tl;dr fix your game before doing this useless flummery

Um...
With this new implementation, there is now more room for Serial Killers and Werewolves to claim since they no longer appear as their respective roles...I don't see why you need to complain about this. A sheriff can still find out when a person is an opposer to town or not, so it's not at all a big deal like you're making it out to be. As a sheriff, you shouldn't care if the person is a "higher priority to kill" or not anyway. You should just know that anyone who opposes you needs to be lynched or killed like your goal states.

There are multiple 3 vs 3 vs 1 and 4 vs 4 vs 1 situations where if Town kills the NK, they give Mafia full control of the game and lose the game where as if they killed the a Mafia, they can outplay to force a draw or a win depending on what Town roles are still left in the game.

Come on, how many games have you played? in those tight-knit situations, when its far down the game, its SO blatantly obvious who the NK is and who the mafia is. Minimum its around day 4, and trust me, at that point everyone knows whos who. We dont need a sheriff to tell us "oh yea he showed up as mafia and hes ww". People are nitpicking scenarios and trying to make it seem like its going to drastically affect it- NO. It wont. Even if in a cirucmstance everyone is so unsure (unlikely at that point) Its easy for NK to just kill and put in their deathnote their name or to kill someone whos posing as mafia, or whatever.

[Metrion]

Achilles - will the Frame + Focus Framer be implementated post Unity?

Either focus or ability to swap investigative results with another person will likely be the Framer change

I’d restrain from swapping investigatives ~ disallows interaction with Lookout/Tracker.

Not if you make if affect those roles.

[BS4125]

I like all of the changes except the sheriff change. In it's state right now, it's a nerf to Town, Serial Killer and Werewolf. Sometimes, Town wants to opt into killing a Mafia member rather than the NK and this change takes away the ability to differentiate both.

It doesn’t nerf the NKs because they can now claim to be Framed, before once they were found they immediately got lynched. Also the cases where Town have to lynch specifically the NK as opposed to the Mafia are rare, and scum need that buff anyway so I don’t see the problem

[Villagerlover]

The sheriff change seems a bit odd because a nerf to sheriff is absolutely not needed as the role is already ridiculously easy to claim.
Nerfing werewolf seems like an absolute son of a gun change. There's nothing wrong with Werewolf at the moment and it's not terribly unbalanced. Why even do this? I also disagree with the idea the promotional purchases don't make you a premium user. I understand that the 1300 TP referral bonus for a $1 purchase opens the doors for abuse, but a fairer system would probably be to only award the referral bonus after the purchases reach $5. If you spend any sum of money at all, I think the odds are quite high that you're not a bot. I don't think bot makers are willing to spend a single cent on their "activity".

Why are you all wasting your time applying balance changes to Werewolf and Sheriff? They're fine the way they are. There are a lot of better things to do, the most notable of which:

[*] Fixing the taunts and not allowing their use as a method of communication. Dead players cannot taunt/their taunt can only be seen by other dead players.
[*] Fixing the achievements providing information that they shouldn't. Show them at the end of the game.
[*] Buff Serial Killer instead. It's arguably the worst NK right now since it loses in a stalemate to all other NKs, is not Detection Immune, ever, and has the lowest attack value.

tl;dr fix your game before doing this useless flummery

Um...
With this new implementation, there is now more room for Serial Killers and Werewolves to claim since they no longer appear as their respective roles...I don't see why you need to complain about this. A sheriff can still find out when a person is an opposer to town or not, so it's not at all a big deal like you're making it out to be. As a sheriff, you shouldn't care if the person is a "higher priority to kill" or not anyway. You should just know that anyone who opposes you needs to be lynched or killed like your goal states.

There are multiple 3 vs 3 vs 1 and 4 vs 4 vs 1 situations where if Town kills the NK, they give Mafia full control of the game and lose the game where as if they killed the a Mafia, they can outplay to force a draw or a win depending on what Town roles are still left in the game.

I don't think you play enough games to realize how rare of a scenario that is. Those conditions you're stating do occur, sure, but it's not at all an every-game experience. The Serial Killer and Werewolf both greatly benefit from having this Sheriff nerf now that they're not singled out by the confirmed townie. Now you can at the very least, claim something different for an explanation of why you showed up as suspicious.