Dev Update 11/20/2018

[BS4125]

The Sheriff change is a pretty easy server only change (and a little client XML) if there is a lot of agreement on that.

Yes, me and others would highly recommend it

[Parallax7]

The Sheriff change is a pretty easy server only change (and a little client XML) if there is a lot of agreement on that.

Yes, me and others would highly recommend it

+1

Note:
TG’s sheriff functions as such.

[DragonClaw66]

The Bodyguard is dealt an unstoppable attack when counterattacking (can no longer be healed or protected during a counter).

[ManateeDude]

I would agree on changing the Sheriff, it helps out SKs/WWs especially and I can't really see any major lashback on it happening

[orangeandblack5]

I'm down with a Sheriff change in the manner described.

[Razbae]

Gotta love it when a small minority decide what's best for the entire community. Just saying if you make changes without community involvement it's extremely risky. It's not just the devs or the few in this thread that play the game. Something that sounds great to you guys might have inherent issues with others that play a different mode, play a different strategy, etc.

If it seems like I'm ranting about nonsense then I'd like to ask if anyone here can remember the history of the transporter role alone. Yikes.

[BasicFourLife]

Gotta love it when a small minority decide what's best for the entire community. Just saying if you make changes without community involvement it's extremely risky. It's not just the devs or the few in this thread that play the game. Something that sounds great to you guys might have inherent issues with others that play a different mode, play a different strategy, etc.

If it seems like I'm ranting about nonsense then I'd like to ask if anyone here can remember the history of the transporter role alone. Yikes.

The difference between that and this, is that the small minority consisted of only the Developers and they barely have any balance knowledge proven by their history of balancing the game solely themselves. While here, the change has been confirmed and accepted by anyone who can think logically.

[Parallax7]

Gotta love it when a small minority decide what's best for the entire community. Just saying if you make changes without community involvement it's extremely risky. It's not just the devs or the few in this thread that play the game. Something that sounds great to you guys might have inherent issues with others that play a different mode, play a different strategy, etc.

If it seems like I'm ranting about nonsense then I'd like to ask if anyone here can remember the history of the transporter role alone. Yikes.

If the majority wanted a game that consisted of very poorly balanced roles, for example Firefighter, the people who desire balance would stop playing it. As many "balancers" already have.

The issue with a mafia style game like Town of Salem, is that not everyone has the potential to be happy at the moment. So yeah, a small minority making the decisions for this game isn’t a bad thing, if this supposed majority cared so much, we wouldn’t be a minority, now would we? No, we wouldn’t. There is no excuse not to get involved and voice your desires as a player, or get involved with the community(ies) that provide a medium for this.

As far as I’m concerned these players’ desires are irrelevant. Login to your forum account and contribute to this minority of people.

[MysticMismagius]

The Sheriff change reminds me of those terrible Exes/Jesters who would claim Sheriff and claim that their target was “sus” without any details. It feels weird to me that such an obvious lie would become the truth with this update even though that’s probably the point.

I wonder how much easier it will be to fake-claim Sheriff effectively because of this change.

[orangeandblack5]

Gotta love it when a small minority decide what's best for the entire community. Just saying if you make changes without community involvement it's extremely risky. It's not just the devs or the few in this thread that play the game. Something that sounds great to you guys might have inherent issues with others that play a different mode, play a different strategy, etc.

If it seems like I'm ranting about nonsense then I'd like to ask if anyone here can remember the history of the transporter role alone. Yikes.

You're here. What do you not like? Why?

Is it the suggested Framer change? Is it the suggested Sheriff change?

What's wrong with these ideas?

If you are seeing issues we don't, please vocalize them so they can be improved.

[Kikigiri]

It wouldn't hurt to create a thread for that proposed change in particular and run it for a week to collect feedback before implementing it, anyway. If nothing else it would help get the news out so more people know about mechanics changes in advance. Maybe start something for it both here and on the /r/TownOfSalem subreddit if the idea is to get the word out before it happens.

[Parallax7]

The Sheriff change is a pretty easy server only change (and a little client XML) if there is a lot of agreement on that.

I HIGHLY encourage making Arsonist detectable by Sheriff/appears “Suspicious” when this change is made. It only further levels Sheriff with Investigator.

[orangeandblack5]

The Sheriff change is a pretty easy server only change (and a little client XML) if there is a lot of agreement on that.

I HIGHLY encourage making Arsonist detectable by Sheriff/appears “Suspicious” when this change is made. It only further levels Sheriff with Investigator.

Sounds good to me

[Achilles]

It wouldn't hurt to create a thread for that proposed change in particular and run it for a week to collect feedback before implementing it, anyway. If nothing else it would help get the news out so more people know about mechanics changes in advance. Maybe start something for it both here and on the /r/TownOfSalem subreddit if the idea is to get the word out before it happens.

All BMG staff will not communicate on reddit anymore. The mods allow known botters and trolls like Grenze to post anti-dev propaganda and even reward him with unique flairs.

The Sheriff change is done and prepped for the next update.

[orangeandblack5]

Is it possible to usurp the Reddit mods?

That seems like a bad thing to have in your name.

[MysticMismagius]

The Sheriff change is a pretty easy server only change (and a little client XML) if there is a lot of agreement on that.

I HIGHLY encourage making Arsonist detectable by Sheriff/appears “Suspicious” when this change is made. It only further levels Sheriff with Investigator.

Sounds good to me

Does Arsonist really need the nerf, though? I think it doesn't.

[Jerme]

Since doused players receive the Arsonists invest result groups, its very likely that they also receive the Arsonists sheriff results.
If its not happening atm, please add this Achilles.

[MysticMismagius]

Since doused players receive the Arsonists invest result groups, its very likely that they also receive the Arsonist's sheriff results.
If its not happening atm, please add this Achilles.

Regardless of whether dousing frames people as "sus" to the Sheriff or not, it's still an unnecessary nerf to the Arsonist to have Arsonists count as "sus".

[Parallax7]

Since doused players receive the Arsonists invest result groups, its very likely that they also receive the Arsonists sheriff results.
If its not happening atm, please add this Achilles.

Small change but please make Arsonist detectable, yes.

Since doused players receive the Arsonists invest result groups, its very likely that they also receive the Arsonist's sheriff results.
If its not happening atm, please add this Achilles.

Regardless of whether dousing frames people as "sus" to the Sheriff or not, it's still an unnecessary nerf to the Arsonist to have Arsonists count as "sus".

It’s a needed nerf.

Currently ~ Arsonist is immune to Sheriff, which is bad in an of itself, since it’s resistant to other Investigatives, (Lookout/Investigator), not immune. This is a counterbuff to Sheriff, and a balancing modification to keep Arsonist from being literal god tier.

[WittyRecluse]

Since doused players receive the Arsonists invest result groups, its very likely that they also receive the Arsonists sheriff results.
If its not happening atm, please add this Achilles.

Small change but please make Arsonist detectable, yes.

Since doused players receive the Arsonists invest result groups, its very likely that they also receive the Arsonist's sheriff results.
If its not happening atm, please add this Achilles.

Regardless of whether dousing frames people as "sus" to the Sheriff or not, it's still an unnecessary nerf to the Arsonist to have Arsonists count as "sus".

It’s a needed nerf.

Currently ~ Arsonist is immune to Sheriff, which is bad in an of itself, since it’s resistant to other Investigatives, (Lookout/Investigator), not immune. This is a counterbuff to Sheriff, and a balancing modification to keep Arsonist from being literal god tier.

Arsonist is already the weakest role and nerfing it is not the way to go.

[Jerme]

@Rekcah: The Arsonist is immune to every protective role, do you honestly think they are the weakest role ingame?

[Parallax7]

Since doused players receive the Arsonists invest result groups, its very likely that they also receive the Arsonists sheriff results.
If its not happening atm, please add this Achilles.

Small change but please make Arsonist detectable, yes.

Since doused players receive the Arsonists invest result groups, its very likely that they also receive the Arsonist's sheriff results.
If its not happening atm, please add this Achilles.

Regardless of whether dousing frames people as "sus" to the Sheriff or not, it's still an unnecessary nerf to the Arsonist to have Arsonists count as "sus".

It’s a needed nerf.

Currently ~ Arsonist is immune to Sheriff, which is bad in an of itself, since it’s resistant to other Investigatives, (Lookout/Investigator), not immune. This is a counterbuff to Sheriff, and a balancing modification to keep Arsonist from being literal god tier.

Arsonist is already the weakest role and nerfing it is not the way to go.

One, this nerf would hardly be noticeable.

Two, this is a compensatory buff for Sheriff, seeking consistency for all TIs.

Finally, no, it isn’t, it’s immunity to Bodyguard puts it ahead of Serial Killer, easily.

[WittyRecluse]

@Rekcah: The Arsonist is immune to every protective role, do you honestly think they are the weakest role ingame?

Yes they are, and any ranked player can tell you the same.

The immunity to bodyguard was a negligible change that was mostly targeted at the Jailor meta, rather than arsonist strength. Arsonist is the weakest role because of its extremely low kill rate.

[MysticMismagius]

Since doused players receive the Arsonists invest result groups, its very likely that they also receive the Arsonists sheriff results.
If its not happening atm, please add this Achilles.

Small change but please make Arsonist detectable, yes.

Since doused players receive the Arsonists invest result groups, its very likely that they also receive the Arsonist's sheriff results.
If its not happening atm, please add this Achilles.

Regardless of whether dousing frames people as "sus" to the Sheriff or not, it's still an unnecessary nerf to the Arsonist to have Arsonists count as "sus".

It’s a needed nerf.

Currently ~ Arsonist is immune to Sheriff, which is bad in an of itself, since it’s resistant to other Investigatives, (Lookout/Investigator), not immune. This is a counterbuff to Sheriff, and a balancing modification to keep Arsonist from being literal god tier.

Arsonist is already the weakest role and nerfing it is not the way to go.

One, this nerf would hardly be noticeable.

Two, this is a compensatory buff for Sheriff, seeking consistency for all TIs.

Finally, no, it isn’t, its immunity to Bodyguard puts it ahead of Serial Killer, easily.

Maybe in an endgame situation it does, but SK is still better overall. I still hear plenty of people saying Arsonist is the worst NK role even after the bypassing TP buff.

[Achilles]

I’m already thinking about an NK buff pass coming soon. Current ideas I’m mulling around: arsonist can douse 2 people each night, WW can do a basic attack on non fullmoon nights, sk gets powerful attack