Introducing the Vampire and Vampire Hunter!

[orangeandblack5]

We're still contacts on Skype. Don't try to get out of this by claiming that 1/3 of the people I said I'd have review it aren't active on the Forums anymore.

[ShortcutButton]

Sorry, I misspoke. In reality I could create a balanced conversion role.

I could and did.

Your Cthulu is not a balanced role

[Tormental]

Both of you do it then.

PM me your roles. I will have Cyantic, SHITTY, and the Council review them, and if you made a balanced conversion role I'll publicly declare defeat.

I don't really seek to impress, and the only opinion that actually matters is BMG's, really. I'll most likely just post a thread.

[murat1996]

Both of you do it then.

PM me your roles. I will have Cyantic, SHITTY, and the Council review them, and if you made a balanced conversion role I'll publicly declare defeat.

I don't really seek to impress, and the only opinion that actually matters is BMG's, really. I'll most likely just post a thread.

Of course you will, but generally it can't be done.

[Tormental]

Lots of deity-level knowledge up in this thread.

[murat1996]

Lots of deity-level knowledge up in this thread.

You sure? doesn't seem like it though.

[orangeandblack5]

Lots of deity-level knowledge up in this thread.

You sure? doesn't seem like it though.

He's making fun of people that dislike the negative effects Vampire has on the game's balance. Just ignore him.

[orangeandblack5]

Well guys after trying the Vamps, they seem balanced. I mean, they can silenty convert, nobody suspects them, they do a good job messing Townies up... and they tend to win. VH, from the other hand, is the huge UP role and useless. Vig does a better job, despite him also being UP. VH are usually only 1 in number, they die easily, leaving a fair chance for the Vamps to win. Stop whining about how Vamps ruin the game's balance, and try to fix the VH instead

You're kidding, right?

Because no way could you possibly say that Vampire Hunter is underpowered against Vampires with a straight face.

Plus, if we're talking about how balanced Vampires themselves are, they're actually fairly underpowered. Which is the huge problem with conversion roles: they are extremely swingy. They're either OP and must be killed by Day 3 or else they win unless they're really unlucky, or they're UP and usually lose unless they're really lucky. Either way, conversion roles inherently destroy balance, and Firefighter-type roles like the Vampire Hunter (and Framer) are the worst way to attempt to balance anything.

Vampire Hunter strategy guide:
1: Claim VH Day 1.
2: Have nobody kill you (even Mafia and Neutrals) because they need you.
3: Start visiting people, checking for Vampires. If you want, you can tell people who you're going to visit and ask them to kill other people.
4: Eventually kill all of the Vampires.
5: Don't tell people you've turned into a Vigilante.
6: Put yourself into an advantageous position.
7: Shoot the last non-town for a win.

[Kikigiri]

Vampire Hunter strategy guide:
1: Claim VH Day 1.
2: Have nobody kill you (even Mafia and Neutrals) because they need you.

How do the Mafia need the VH?

Currently, Mafia have no reasons to care about vampires at all. To the Mafia, a vampire is like a town with no ability who takes away other town's abilities -- the Mafia can kill them themselves and the Vampires can't do anything. Sure, it's nice if the VH kills some of them, but since the VH itself is a reliable Town vote, the Mafia has no particular reason not to kill him as soon as he reveals (or maybe a bit later in case of Town Protectives.) The Mafia will always win against vampires if they don't get killed by someone else.

(I mean sometimes Vampires can identify maf by noting down who is immune to conversion, but it's not a huge threat considering that that's the sole ability of multiple people and they can't easily reveal what they discover except in their wills.)

[orangeandblack5]

*cough*majority*cough*

[Metazoxan]

Well guys after trying the Vamps, they seem balanced. I mean, they can silenty convert, nobody suspects them, they do a good job messing Townies up... and they tend to win. VH, from the other hand, is the huge UP role and useless. Vig does a better job, despite him also being UP. VH are usually only 1 in number, they die easily, leaving a fair chance for the Vamps to win. Stop whining about how Vamps ruin the game's balance, and try to fix the VH instead

I'm sorry if you actually serious but ARE YOU SERIOUS!?! Silently converting is not as easy as you'd think since the mafia and any night immune roles can't be turned meaning every night vampires run into one is a night lost to convert, docs, escorts, and jailors also stop them. and VH is a constant threat that can reck vampires in a single night. Not to mention vampires are helpless against mafia who tend to win when with vampires because vampires will end up biting the jailor or invest which means they lose their ability and become just another vampire. But since vampires cannot do anything to mafia that means as far as mafia are concerned a turned towny was just rendered powerless.

VH on the other hand is extremely OP. Vampires can only turn every other night but Vampire Hunter can kill vampires EVERY night meaning vampire hunter's kill rate can easily surpass the vampires spread rate even if vampires turn every night they are able. Also since VH kills any vampire that visits them the only thing vampires can do is hope someone kills or lynches the vampire hunter. Getting majority is damn near impossible because vampires currently have a 4 man cap so if the town numbers are low enough for 4 vampires to have voting power vampire hunter has probably found a few vampires and started killing them. So a vampires ability to win against a vampire hunter is 100% dependant on luck and other roles just happening to target him. This is extremely unfair as it means vampires win rate is completely luck dependant and has little to no influence on the skills of the player. The only thing vampires can do to help themselves win is be good guessers at who can't be turned so they don't waste nights. But since they can't do anything besides turning other roles that is where the strategy ends and they just have to hope they don't get lynched or attacked by anyone and I mean anyone.

Vampire Hunter strategy guide:
1: Claim VH Day 1.
2: Have nobody kill you (even Mafia and Neutrals) because they need you.

How do the Mafia need the VH?

Currently, Mafia have no reasons to care about vampires at all. To the Mafia, a vampire is like a town with no ability who takes away other town's abilities -- the Mafia can kill them themselves and the Vampires can't do anything. Sure, it's nice if the VH kills some of them, but since the VH itself is a reliable Town vote, the Mafia has no particular reason not to kill him as soon as he reveals (or maybe a bit later in case of Town Protectives.) The Mafia will always win against vampires if they don't get killed by someone else.

(I mean sometimes Vampires can identify maf by noting down who is immune to conversion, but it's not a huge threat considering that that's the sole ability of multiple people and they can't easily reveal what they discover except in their wills.)

Vampires can become troublesome for mafia if several manage to survive to end game and they are left with only one guy. If the mafia can keep just 2 mafia then the chances of vampires having majority vote late game is hard. But if they only have one left then vampires only need to keep two guys around to win. Since Vampire Hunter can't kill anything besides vampires they aren't a threat to mafia and they are good insurance to keep the vampire population from being too high. There isn't a very high chance of this happening even without Vampire Hunter but again they are no threat to mafia so why not keep them around?

At the very least they aren't a high priority target so most mafia tend to just let them go since there are more important targets to find.

[chitownmvp01]

Vampire Hunter strategy guide:
1: Claim VH Day 1.
2: Have nobody kill you (even Mafia and Neutrals) because they need you.

How do the Mafia need the VH?

Currently, Mafia have no reasons to care about vampires at all. To the Mafia, a vampire is like a town with no ability who takes away other town's abilities -- the Mafia can kill them themselves and the Vampires can't do anything. Sure, it's nice if the VH kills some of them, but since the VH itself is a reliable Town vote, the Mafia has no particular reason not to kill him as soon as he reveals (or maybe a bit later in case of Town Protectives.) The Mafia will always win against vampires if they don't get killed by someone else.

(I mean sometimes Vampires can identify maf by noting down who is immune to conversion, but it's not a huge threat considering that that's the sole ability of multiple people and they can't easily reveal what they discover except in their wills.)

Mafia need the VH because if there ends up being too many Vampires late in the game because they aren't killed, they can outnumber Mafia. I like the idea if claiming VH Day 1, but the only negative of it is the Mafia/Neutral Killings not realizing that they need you to help kill Vampires.

[Metazoxan]

Vampire Hunter strategy guide:
1: Claim VH Day 1.
2: Have nobody kill you (even Mafia and Neutrals) because they need you.

How do the Mafia need the VH?

Currently, Mafia have no reasons to care about vampires at all. To the Mafia, a vampire is like a town with no ability who takes away other town's abilities -- the Mafia can kill them themselves and the Vampires can't do anything. Sure, it's nice if the VH kills some of them, but since the VH itself is a reliable Town vote, the Mafia has no particular reason not to kill him as soon as he reveals (or maybe a bit later in case of Town Protectives.) The Mafia will always win against vampires if they don't get killed by someone else.

(I mean sometimes Vampires can identify maf by noting down who is immune to conversion, but it's not a huge threat considering that that's the sole ability of multiple people and they can't easily reveal what they discover except in their wills.)

Mafia need the VH because if there ends up being too many Vampires late in the game because they aren't killed, they can outnumber Mafia. I like the idea if claiming VH Day 1, but the only negative of it is the Mafia/Neutral Killings not realizing that they need you to help kill Vampires.

Really they don't need VH since they can easily kill vampires themselves. But since VH doesn't hurt mafia he's not a threat and having something to guarantee vampires won't get majority helps. So really it's just a matter of "might as well leave him alive" since there are more important targets to find and kill.

[Nytirri]

Has the reward codes for this update gone out yet? If it has I didn't get it like the other two.

[Metazoxan]

Has the reward codes for this update gone out yet? If it has I didn't get it like the other two.

Yes they did. You'll need to try emailing them.

[Nytirri]

Has the reward codes for this update gone out yet? If it has I didn't get it like the other two.

Yes they did. You'll need to try emailing them.

How do I contact them? I went and looked for a contact email but I'm not sure where to find it.

[shapesifter13]

Email Info@BlankMediaGames.com, or you can send us a message on Kickstarter. Make sure to send the email you backed with, and your username with the email.

[likeaboss1810]

I loved these new roles. i really hate when i get a good role and get bitten, but these are still fun roles. xD

[Magiconic6252]

Why would Vampires have a majority from the start?

they can convert the entire town, so the entire town should vote with the vampire once the vampire hunter dies, if even there is one

there is little incentive for the town (other than the vampire hunter, if there even is one) to actually lynch vampires

pretty much now the town wincon has changed to "lynch every criminal and evildoer" to "lynch every criminal and evildoer, or get converted to a vampire and lynch every mafia / night immune neutral"

since there is no endgaming, once the vampire hunter dies or there is confirmed not to be one the town should just hunt mafia / night immune neutrals while the vampires convert the rest of the town and win

Y'know, I know im severely late to this, but thats asking ALOT from the town to coordinate that. ESPECIALLY if they are trying not to revealwho they are.