Patch 3.3.1c Update New Ranked Role List!x2

[shapesifter13]

Hey Townies!

Thank you for all the testing of the new Ranked Rolelist you all have done over the weekend. We hear your feedback on the new list, have looked over our data, and have determine that we missed the mark. We are going to update the list by changing a Random Town to a Random Mafia making the game a 9 v 5 v 1, and we are changing the Ambusher back to a Mafioso to prevent issues of the Godfather getting constantly roleblocked. We know some of you will still not be happy with this as you wanted a Neutral Killing in the list, but we want to give the Town V Mafia list a chance before we get rid of it completely. Please continue to give your feedback! We will be monitoring the data, and that feedback over the coming days. Below is the list that will be going live shortly.

Jailor
Town Investigative
Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Killing
Town Support
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Godfather
Mafioso
Random Mafia
Random Mafia
Random Mafia
Neutral Evil

Edit: New thread here: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=113013

[Soulshade55r]

Oh boy this role list looks kinda cool I don't know how the community will respond to this

[superdog551]

Looks a lot better to me, gotta try it out to be sure though

[Cookazoo2]

First impressions: wow ok we can have 5 maf/coven in a game cool

Second impressions: still no NK but if you want to get experimental remove Jailor as a guarantee and add an NK, see how that goes

[Soulshade55r]

First impressions: wow ok we can have 5 maf/coven in a game cool

Second impressions: still no NK but if you want to get experimental remove Jailor as a guarantee and add an NK, see how that goes

Very unbalanced to have randomly spawning jailors :/

[Cookazoo2]

First impressions: wow ok we can have 5 maf/coven in a game cool

Second impressions: still no NK but if you want to get experimental remove Jailor as a guarantee and add an NK, see how that goes

Very unbalanced to have randomly spawning jailors :/

*Minecraft flashbacks*

Fair enough.

3 RT seems to be the right amount, Jailor either needs to never spawn or always spawn, and two TI guaranteed is the right amount. Guarantee one of every other role, and I'd say that's about as good as Town'll get for now.

5 Mafia, let's see how it goes.

One neutral evil means 33% chance (plus scrolls :c ) that Mafia gets a bonus member. If NE contained a more wildcard role I'd be down for it.

[Soulshade55r]

I think 5 mafia makes up for the lack of nk they have very strong voting power but less kill power (just evil kill power can't screw over mafia)

Man tho this has got me in the mood to try this list out

Quick edit

Also I hope the devs see this part but is there a way in the mear future mafioso gets a ability like a ninja aka astral to help combat jailor meta

[MysticMismagius]

We are going to update the list by changing a Random Town to a Random Mafia making the game a 9 v 5 v 1, and we are changing the Ambusher back to a Mafioso to prevent issues of the Godfather getting constantly roleblocked.

But the Ambu slot was fine
It did the job of replacing NK's anti-KPN while preventing the swingy bullshit that arises from having an NK slot
Just, please implement TMK, it is the only way this problem will be truly solved

[Soulshade55r]

Maybe in future It could be considered I don't know if the devs would rewlly doTMK because it requires a lot of work to be done but it's something I'd support

[Finaleee]

it's way better than the last role list, although it does look a bit shaky, i'll have to play a few games to get my full opinion on it

[Cookazoo2]

I think 5 mafia makes up for the lack of nk they have very strong voting power but less kill power (just evil kill power can't screw over mafia)

Man tho this has got me in the mood to try this list out

Quick edit

Also I hope the devs see this part but is there a way in the mear future mafioso gets a ability like a ninja aka astral to help combat jailor meta

yes yes yes yes yes

[Soulshade55r]

I think 5 mafia makes up for the lack of nk they have very strong voting power but less kill power (just evil kill power can't screw over mafia)

Man tho this has got me in the mood to try this list out

Quick edit

Also I hope the devs see this part but is there a way in the mear future mafioso gets a ability like a ninja aka astral to help combat jailor meta

yes yes yes yes yes

One thing I liked about nks is they had decent tools to deal with it

Only arso was the consistent Jailor killer tho and they'd be outed, while ww would normally wrekt everyone on jailor n2 and sk would find it hard to deal with jailor but add a lot of kpn fire to the mix.

I do think nk suffers from a lot of problems and rather see it gone but they do need to make it fair for evils without making it too powerful.

I think people forget the devs do want to listen and even if they do suggest a hated idea I think the tos community can voice stuff enough for them.

[Ezradekezra]

:o

Lemme go try this out

[Soulshade55r]

It's not out on steam far as I know I checked mobile it is for some reason

[lemonader666]

5 Mafia, let's see how it goes.

One neutral evil means 33% chance (plus scrolls :c ) that Mafia gets a bonus member. If NE contained a more wildcard role I'd be down for it.

I think 5 mafia makes up for the lack of nk they have very strong voting power but less kill power (just evil kill power can't screw over mafia)

While I definitely like this rolelist alot more than the previous one, it's pretty obvious there's still a disparity between witch and the other 2 NEs. Whaddya think about swapping 1 RM and the NE slot for a guaranteed Witch and a 50/50 between Exe and Jester? Mafia would still mostly retain the 5-man voting power, but it will make it less likely a 6 is gonna occur.

[RothXQuasar]

Definitely looks better than the 10v4v1. I'm not sure whether I'll like it as much as the old list still, but I'll reserver passing judgement until I try it. I'm certainly interested to see how it goes. I'll come back here with feedback once I've played a few games with it.

I'm curious how well having a 2nd NE slot instead of a 5th mafia would go. If this is a bit of an experimental period, maybe you could try that as well at some point? To be honest, I think there's some potential in a Town v Mafia format. It's just that I really enjoy the 3 faction dynamic, and it helps make Town of Salem feel a bit unique among social deduction games. It'd be neat to have both modes playable at once, but I'm not sure the playerbase is big enough to split it like that. Maybe we can introduce more rotating game modes.

I think ultimately, I would like the ranked mode to have NK, but again I'll give this mode a try before passing too much judgement about it.

[Cookazoo2]

One thing I liked about nks is they had decent tools to deal with it

Only arso was the consistent Jailor killer tho and they'd be outed, while ww would normally wrekt everyone on jailor n2 and sk would find it hard to deal with jailor but add a lot of kpn fire to the mix.

I do think nk suffers from a lot of problems and rather see it gone but they do need to make it fair for evils without making it too powerful.

I think people forget the devs do want to listen and even if they do suggest a hated idea I think the tos community can voice stuff enough for them.

Would it perhaps be better to have the Town Vs. Mafia list as a Normal mode in Standard Salem, separate from ranked?

[Soulshade55r]

5 Mafia, let's see how it goes.

One neutral evil means 33% chance (plus scrolls :c ) that Mafia gets a bonus member. If NE contained a more wildcard role I'd be down for it.

I think 5 mafia makes up for the lack of nk they have very strong voting power but less kill power (just evil kill power can't screw over mafia)

While I definitely like this rolelist alot more than the previous one, it's pretty obvious there's still a disparity between witch and the other 2 NEs. Whaddya think about swapping 1 RM and the NE slot for a guaranteed Witch and a 50/50 between Exe and Jester? Mafia would still mostly retain the 5-man voting power, but it will make it less likely a 6 is gonna occur.

Tbf witch is a 6th mafia member while exe and jester aren't really evils

I do think there's a bigger difference between exe and jester as I feel like jester is literally neutral benign abd exe is slightly evil sided nb

[DiamondRanger8]

We are changing the Ambusher back to a Mafioso to prevent issues of the Godfather getting constantly roleblocked.

Solution while still having Ambusher show up often: Change Random Mafia to Mafia Killing, so it'll randomize between Mafioso and Ambusher, and make it so Ambusher can target Mafia members.

[lemonader666]

5 Mafia, let's see how it goes.

One neutral evil means 33% chance (plus scrolls :c ) that Mafia gets a bonus member. If NE contained a more wildcard role I'd be down for it.

I think 5 mafia makes up for the lack of nk they have very strong voting power but less kill power (just evil kill power can't screw over mafia)

While I definitely like this rolelist alot more than the previous one, it's pretty obvious there's still a disparity between witch and the other 2 NEs. Whaddya think about swapping 1 RM and the NE slot for a guaranteed Witch and a 50/50 between Exe and Jester? Mafia would still mostly retain the 5-man voting power, but it will make it less likely a 6 is gonna occur.

Tbf witch is a 6th mafia member while exe and jester aren't really evils

I do think there's a bigger difference between exe and jester as I feel like jester is literally neutral benign abd exe is slightly evil sided nb

Yeah I'm the same with ya, I was originally just gonna suggest having Witch and Exe seperately but I figured it would just piss people off since no jester ree

We are changing the Ambusher back to a Mafioso to prevent issues of the Godfather getting constantly roleblocked.

Solution while still having Ambusher show up often: Change Random Mafia to Mafia Killing, so it'll randomize between Mafioso and Ambusher, and make it so Ambusher can target Mafia members.

this

[kiromishiro21]

Is there a possibility that this list is the official list for ranked games? [Town vs Mafia]
And that the old list continues in the classic mode but with this change?

Jailor
Town Investigative
Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Killing
Town Support
Town Support or Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Godfather
Mafioso
Random Mafia
Random Mafia
Neutral Killing


It's complicated ... Because a small change changes the winrate a lot, although drastic winrate changes are normal when players are not used to it.
I think that many will miss being the neutral killing and winning alone, although it is still very complicated (but it is fun)

The mofia has received a strong buff but it still requires a lot of skill to win and that is good. The town has to be able to distinguish the lies and be more tryhard.

[Ezradekezra]

First game was a Mafia win (albeit a slim one), so this bodes well for this list's chances.

[superdog551]

Played a few games and I gotta say, 5 member mafia is really fun. Of the games I've played so far town only won one of them

[Soulshade55r]

Played a few games and I gotta say, 5 member mafia is really fun. Of the games I've played so far town only won one of them

They feel a lot closer tbf I had this one game where vet killed 2 maf and bg killed mafioso n1 but in general it seems pretty good

[Ezradekezra]

There's a player with the ign "Jerkoff" that keeps going around and fucking things up (intentionally using bad plays that aren't considered gamethrowing by the current rules, switching claims randomly, etc.), so it's hard to get an accurate gauge of how good the current list is.

Hopefully they get banned soon enough.