orangeandblack5 wrote:@OreCreeper the fact that a lot of these buffs still only work again X out of Y roles is part of my concern?
I feel like it's been relatively common knowledge that Framer in particular is highly dependent on which TIs roll, and this buff does nothing to alleviate that. It's not the only one either, with Disguiser being another such role. I am concerned that some of these changes, while they are sure to increase Mafia's win rate, will add more frustration and more swing to the game, which could in some ways be a step backwards.
On the whole, I think the general direction is right, and that's really good, but some of the specifics concern me, especially because it feels like some of these ideas (permaframes in particular) have already been shown to be decently swingy/anticompetitive
Kinda feels like the Mayor whisper nerf in that regard? We'll see, maybe I'm just wrong
Yeah this is the only weird thing. Instead of Framer being the Anti-TI mafia it just counters sheriff even harder (and soft-counters invest), but sheriff wasn't exactly the strongest TI.
Disguiser and Framer together can counter every (classic) TI role, but it seems there's no guarantee maf rolls the right ones.
It would've been nicer if Framer was the Anti-TI and disguiser got its own niche, but still, this is a lot better than nothing.