Patch 3.2.5 Neutral Killing Buffs!

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Re: Patch 3.2.5 Neutral Killing Buffs!

Postby Brilliand » Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:12 pm

Venusupreme wrote:
Brilliand wrote:I'll just note that SK killing Escorts is thematically appropriate, because it's what Jack the Ripper famously did.

Yeah, but balance comes before lore :)


No, dude. They're both important. You don't ignore lore entirely just because you have a decent balance idea.

"Balance before lore" only applies when they're unavoidably in conflict.
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Re: Patch 3.2.5 Neutral Killing Buffs!

Postby Venusupreme » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:19 pm

Uh... SK being FORCED to kill escorts/consorts just because it’s “thematically appropriate” isn’t a good argument. Make sure the game is balanced, and then base lore around that.
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Re: Patch 3.2.5 Neutral Killing Buffs!

Postby Brilliand » Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:23 pm

Venusupreme wrote:Uh... SK being FORCED to kill escorts/consorts just because it’s “thematically appropriate” isn’t a good argument.


Nor was I making that argument.

I was just suggesting that some form of Escort-killing should be left in the SK's mechanics somewhere, in deference to the lore. Perhaps giving the SK a choice between "if you are roleblocked you kill the Escort" and "you are roleblock-immune" (essentially, the current system but the SK is only roleblock-immune when cautious) would be an appropriately-balanced version of that.
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Re: Patch 3.2.5 Neutral Killing Buffs!

Postby Venusupreme » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:14 pm

Alright, that’s fair. Though honestly, the role is pretty OP now and would be better off just being entirely reverted. It was more balanced before, the only NK role not seriously underpowered.
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Re: Patch 3.2.5 Neutral Killing Buffs!

Postby Villagerlover » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:53 pm

I haven't played this game in forever but dang! I can't wait to play it again. The NK buffs are all pretty radical!

I'm not sure if it's more "balanced" per say. I'm sure someone's willing to tell me otherwise, but honestly I don't give a kick the bucket. I just wanted SOMETHING new to work with.
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Re: Patch 3.2.5 Neutral Killing Buffs!

Postby OreCreeper » Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:39 am

Venusupreme wrote:Alright, that’s fair. Though honestly, the role is pretty OP now and would be better off just being entirely reverted. It was more balanced before, the only NK role not seriously underpowered.

Honestly the more I've played with these changes, the more I feel like the werewolf change is the most problematic one cuz it mainly causes late-game mafia wins to become ww wins, while the change affects town much less since after N4, it's unlikely werewolf will get more than 1 kpn due to half the town being dead by that point, while the ww is more likely to take out mafia for the town due to its rampage and powerful attack.
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Re: Patch 3.2.5 Neutral Killing Buffs!

Postby Venusupreme » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:34 am

OreCreeper wrote:
Venusupreme wrote:Alright, that’s fair. Though honestly, the role is pretty OP now and would be better off just being entirely reverted. It was more balanced before, the only NK role not seriously underpowered.

Honestly the more I've played with these changes, the more I feel like the werewolf change is the most problematic one cuz it mainly causes late-game mafia wins to become ww wins, while the change affects town much less since after N4, it's unlikely werewolf will get more than 1 kpn due to half the town being dead by that point, while the ww is more likely to take out mafia for the town due to its rampage and powerful attack.

Yeah, but Town still sided with NK over Mafia anyway even before this change. It's better than the way it was before, albeit not perfect.

The most problematic change is still the Lookout change, because as stated before, the fact that LO is now an RNG-based role is broken on a fundamental level.
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Re: Patch 3.2.5 Neutral Killing Buffs!

Postby SkorumpowanyGlut » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:01 am

Why the implemented changes are so bad after many great ideas from the community? Devs, I think it may be a good idea to visit the 'feedback' forum section.
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Re: Patch 3.2.5 Neutral Killing Buffs!

Postby Maki999 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:59 pm

When is the update/next patch coming out anyways?
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