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Flake wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:Tfios was very obvious town .
The All push on tfios was bad , including shooting them .
Not blaming You much for closing PoE , but still it wasnt The way to go .

mhm, as soon as tfios started doing things d3 i knew they never flipped scum, too bad i wasn't alive to say anything about it

pushing tfios prior to d3 was not bad imo, though gut told me they flip town based on their bluntness

Tfios was only pushed for me Trying to Get Him off PoE
And that happened after I flipped scum
Which is ???
by UzayAltay
Mon May 27, 2019 10:23 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: SK win #rekt

https://discord.gg/4GAa5x = Maf-chat ( It seems Over forget it )


ejjinami wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:Not much to speak , tfios shoot was bad

IT WASN’T
I still believe shooting tfios was the best choice I could have made.

We were in 6:1, had I not shot or had my shot failed, we’d have ended up in MyLo (5:1=>3:1) instead of LyLo (4:1=>2:1).
I thought that unless my reads were terribly wrong, maf-immune SK wouldn’t have allowed me to shoot and trying to shoot a town-immune SK wouldn’t have been any different from not shooting at all.
The best course of action was to try to shoot a scummy and easily ML-able TOWNIE to make PoE easier. Trying to kill SK would have been bad play.

I re-read chemist’s iso and kind of changed my mind about him being scum.
People seemed to SR him and tfio the most though, so I thought shooting among them should be a good idea.

Now then, fair chances are, if chemist was SK, he would have blocked me. It’s very likely that SK!chem (even if town immune) would have done the math and figured out that letting me shoot (and getting to LyLo instead of MyLo) is a bad idea. He’s just that kind of player
Because of that, successfully shooting another townie should have been a good argument for chem being town.
Aaaaand I hoped town!chem would have been able to defend himself better than town!tfio ):
But the townies didn’t think of analyzing the NKs that way and chem didn’t even try to defend himself seriously…………

Tbh the way he gave up in LyLo was kinda saddening
“We might lose, but I’ve won anyways because seth was wrong”
“I could defend myself with WIFOM, but I won’t do it at all cuz it’s useless”

Wtf ):

Tfios was very obvious town .
The All push on tfios was bad , including shooting them .
Not blaming You much for closing PoE , but still it wasnt The way to go .
by UzayAltay
Mon May 27, 2019 6:45 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: SK win #rekt

Qvapil wrote:I thought you'd switch cop and doc n1, or swap doc with vig if you were afraid.

We Actually make A detailed analyze on " How past SK's Played ? "

1) SK : No switch ( W-immune ) ( Day Start)(VFM 22 )
2) SK : No - switch ( not immune , Setup start with 8v3v1 and night start ) ( Open 5 )
3) SK : Cop + vig switch ( V-immune , Open 430 , Night Start )
4) SK : Doc switch ( W - immune , nightstart , open 449 )
5) SK : Vig switch ( W-immune , night start , open 483)
6) SK : No Switch ( W-immune , night start , open 502)
7) SK : Cop switch ( V-immune , night start , open 704)

We realized V-immune SK always turned cop , and thought there is A V-immune SK here .

Also funny fact : Rick thought killing You at one part of Day 1 with thinking You are PR , but prevented it with saying " I am not thinking he is PR , Like even SK is 2 times More likely Than PR "
by UzayAltay
Mon May 27, 2019 4:09 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: SK win #rekt

Dash was thinking Rick is town , it was Why We avoided Dash kill Night 1. Rick Powerread Phone , which was truth . Rick was thinking Dash may be SK at some point of Day 1 , Than I am remembering I read Him PR .Tried to convince Rick but at Last We agreed on Phone , Actually I agreed with Rick's PR read after reading their ISO .
We were Actually SK hunting .
From Day 2 We were Actually thinking as Chem.
I considered You , but was thinking it is Chem until Over Said to us it is You ( he Said it at 2v1 )
by UzayAltay
Mon May 27, 2019 4:00 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 3

Qvapil wrote:
ejjinami wrote:
Flake wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Unless you banked on seth being dense

given how seth has been this entire game.yes i would bank on.seth being dense

:clap:

so, SK hunting sucks. I'm also not going to wifom the night kill because it doesn't work.

let's rewind back to the tfios shot from ejji. why did the sk not switch ejji off?

two options, could be combined
1. stupid
2. wasnt in any danger

does either apply to me?

why did no one care about the obvious argument alluding to qva being SK

it just went ignored for some reason and no one even suspected qva even slightly because of it

Well........... the town knowing that I was allowed to shoot was another reason why I wanted to shoot tfio
They didn't know if SK chose town or mafia immunity though, so if anything my shot should have proven that the SK didn't notice that letting me mis-shoot would have lead to the game ending in LyLo instead of MyLo.
This probably cleared chemist, cuz I feel he should have noticed it as SK, regardless of what immunity he chose... but idk if it should be telling for the other players

/shrug


Well my dumb ass with vig immunity thought 4 townies is better than 5 townies so it was telling yeah

What Did You switched at nights ?
Us : N1-Doc/Vig , N2-Cop ,
by UzayAltay
Mon May 27, 2019 3:14 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: SK win #rekt

Gg Qva
My notes after me dying ( include salt ) :

20 May 2019 Spoiler: First , I want to congratulate All town for winning from 8v3 , which never happened before in That Setup .
(Writing This before Game ends , so If Rick or SK ( Guessing as Chemist )
There was some other salt things earlier , but I am not remembering them .
It is Also Why I am keeping that as diary.

Flake wrote:I think Mafia team is {cupcake, uzay, tfios}

Flake , You were good at reading me . TBH I was suprised I Hadnt Meta read after that Day 1 .
What happened Day 1 ? I Will Spoke .
But The topic at there is Flake thinking I Will throw my Last buddy into fire
Without knowing I would die tonight
It was an important fail , probably not mattered much , but it was important .
ejjinami wrote:/vote tfio

I Dont know How me pushing tfios make tfios scummier .
Like I was just Trying to Get out of PoE .
So many people slipped V , And it is just annoying as Mafia .
TBH If I Ever open an alt , I would slip as town every Game intentionally .
ejjinami wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Six town (one vig), one mafia, one SK

If we mislynch and misshoot we're in LyLo if the vig dies and technical LyLo if the vig lives

Vig shouldn't be claiming unless they get wagoned

Now: 6:1:1
After a ML: 5:1:1
After N3 (2 scum kills and a mis-shot): 2:1:1

If the vig shoots town, dies and the scums don’t cross-kill, we’ll have no chance to win.
So depending on the situation we could be in lylo rn?

:Facepalm:

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Strongly disagree on vig revealing. They get 2 more bloody free shots by not revealing. Also nice one vig.


Antivig Soft on ToS Style
This seems A bit fake , wont be suprised If they flip Vig

Qvapil wrote:Guys I won't be able to be very active today but I will be here tomorrow to help solve this. Or try to, seeing as I've townread both uzay and cup this game so my reads haven't been very accurate. But uzay has had way more interactions than cupcake so I'm confident we can find the last maf from his posts. I'll pop in later to post more thoughts.

TBH I Dont think I would be able to read cupcake as well
But , as town , I would stay off from main wagons
Actually , as Mafia , I would bus Cupcake
Which would end with I start Celebrating at Day 3 probably
TBH It would may be better If Rick stayed with Nicecomeback account , so I can not listen them even though I made crazy things

tfiosforevah wrote:Okay guys, here’s a very important question

Due to the two kills n1 vs the 3 kills n2, are we thinking the vig was shut off or maf/vig hit night immune sk?


/shrug

#3174320: Wait , I just realized Why Flake thought I am scum with tfios .
My voting post and This post is just too close to each other
This is Actually hilarious due Flake thinking I coached tfios , even not say that

#3174325 : Good .
It is More better and better as More as my and Rick's ISO Dont read , Rick can always put magic at that moments .

#3174396 : rip
At least it Gave me moralle about Rick turning that game
Unless You are faking This

Rickdaily12 wrote:Ok, so here's my approach to today.

When my computer stops being a nazi, I'm going to try to do another indepth analysis of VCA again. Hopefully in that time I can stop being absolutely enraged in the process.

After that, I'm going to update my reads.

In the meantime, I have a suggestion.

As it is currently effectively MyLo, the Vig should claim today. I know a lot of people have already argued against this so far, and I don't know if you did it for shortsighted reasons or if you don't understand the consequences of this, but the claim needs to happen now. Reasons why:

1. If people keep being themselves and searching for two scum who cannot associate with each other from now on, if someone's strongest SR 24 hours from now is the Vig, they have wasted the entire day for nothing and you now force that person to guess within their remaining PoE with weaker accuracy.

2. Building on the above, everyone's PoE becomes stronger with one less suspect on the list, as we'll have more time to look over everyone else between now and EoD.

3. The Vig has a high likihood of dying after tonight if we mislynch regardless. Outting the Vig also increasing the chances of Scum targetting the same player (we WIFOM mafia and SK into hitting the same target if they try to gamble on whether to be the one to kill the vig or not)

Basically I see every reason for the vig to out and virtually zero reasons not to. With the amount of killing power in the game, it just really doesn't matter at this point. Vigs should claim in every MyLo anyway, it's pretty much straight forward meta.

Let's not waste any time today.

If anyone has any questions that I'm not about to spend time answering anyway, please bump them and I'll get back to them later at some point, but I'm going to start with the flips.

Rick's magic starts
It is A townie post , which seems logical from Town's PoV
But town is missing one thing , ( at least The claim-Wanters )
Maf and SK didnt crosskill Night 2
It , just , wont Work .
#3174427If they are scum

Debil's reads : I was just Trying to pressure Ejji .
Than Everyone started TR me /shrug
#3174480 : When Rick is Trying to push Chem without broking me :)
#3174485 : I didnt bus
Due You preventing me
Like If Nicecomeback was here , I would bus without A second think
( Maybe can say " I bussed " Like I Did at tracker claim )
#3174505: How can sb bus better Than purgatory Game ?
( Every Mafia legit bussed 3 Mafia )
#3174506 :mrgreen:
#3174513 ( I Also Do it that Game , too )
I wish I had Said it .


22 May 2019 / Wednesday

Spoiler: I didnt want to write Last evening , due low WIM on thread .
Rick didnt put magic , want to congratulate village here , Rick tried their best , If Ejji wasnt Vig it could went different .
Ejji again read me Correct , after NFM 48 , second time with me being scum and them being village , and again A loss. What went wrong ? Okay , both me and Rick are better as town , but ...
Still , half of The town was just Okay , not good , not bad prob but not good . Flake was good , Ejji was good , Chem was good but not town , Dash was good , but not on right track , Era ?
Wait Era ? Why SK killed Era ? Only Player who would Do that is Chem IMO , but may be wrong.
Yes , I was speaking about How Did Game go down ?
It started went down from Day 1 .
We need to decide How to Get around with cupcake .
Cupcake , Please never Ever play Like that again .
I think not bussing was First strategic mistake , I think it is due rick thinking cupcake can Save theirselves later , objectively , without Dash 's check they Will lynched anyways at one point .
Nightkills , Rick didnt know I was good at kill choices , and I didnt say that . It is A mistake on my part . Rick's kill was good , too , I cant blame them for them .
SK Not closing Vig , Like What was they expecting ? Bad play from that part .
#3175591: Not aggreeing on my part .
Cup wagon appeared at Last 24 hours anyway .
And as town , I probably stay off-wagon .
With commenting on main wagon Maybe .
I think The indicative thing Was me really commenting on there .

UzayAltay wrote:24 May 2019 / Friday

Spoiler: Not much to speak , tfios shoot was bad , and If Chem isnt SK he need to back to NFM with that quickhammer.
But he probably is .
TBH I am not trusting Qva , feeling they may be secret SK here .
Which should be congratulated.
If Chem is SK and they win , Everyone Except Chem needs to back to NFM .
With Chemist hosting it .




Qva , was your townreads on Mafia was geniune ?
by UzayAltay
Mon May 27, 2019 3:09 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Flake wrote:I’m really busy right now but I’m just gonna make some quick comments, sorry if I am dodging people but I don’t have time to make lengthy arguments and stuff

Ejji my sudden shift in now believing you are not mafia is because you overlooked dash’s redcheck on cupcake, implying you were very likely not in a mafia chat, it is possible that you faked this or mafia just didn’t make the comment in mafia chat, but I doubt it

Same goes for Zucker

Tfios I am relatively unsure on, but I think they actually flip town for being blunt, but that is an uncertain read

Most of my meta reads make complete sense imo, namely the ones on proto and tfios, I’m not seeing how they are shitty at all, I think they are indiciative to at least some extent


Yes, ejj, Will you say sth?
by UzayAltay
Sat May 18, 2019 2:40 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

ejjinami wrote:off topic
@uzay, are you posting on mobile or on PC?
if on PC, have you considered downloading an app that checks for grammar/spelling mistakes? Google “grammarly” or sth
I don’t actually remember which app I’m using, but I think it has helped me A LOT. :P
so you know, I absolutely recommend you to try sth like that out as well.


From 41 games, i had a max around 100 posts i sent From pc (probably less than that ).
Rest is mobile.
by UzayAltay
Sat May 18, 2019 2:33 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

ejjinami wrote:off topic
@uzay, are you posting on mobile or on PC?
if on PC, have you considered downloading an app that checks for grammar/spelling mistakes? Google “grammarly” or sth
I don’t actually remember which app I’m using, but I think it has helped me A LOT. :P
so you know, I absolutely recommend you to try sth like that out as well.


From 41 games, i had a max around 100 posts i sent From pc (probably less than that ).
Rest is mobile.
by UzayAltay
Sat May 18, 2019 2:33 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

ejjinami wrote:now that I think of it, @uzay, you seemed to be TRing Crimson a bit more than SRing, so why exactly did you end up voting him?

:Thonk:
Are you sure you read it correct?
Pretty sure it is Not close to the case.
by UzayAltay
Sat May 18, 2019 2:30 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Chemist1422 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Chemist you're seriously not helping your case

I'm trying, okay?

You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.

Wait What This is completely wrong .
If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip
But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip
Than This is LAMIST
Which is FoS
Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI )
Happily take The cred from Flake
But refusing SRs
Actually This deserves A vote
But I Will Wait for your explanation

Quoting again for that being visible again

I missed this post

Dash wasn’t acknowledging my points, Flake was

See this

I answered it right here

Make sure you don't miss this post

I missed This .

The thing is It isnt What You First Said .
You Said that " If Dash want to Scumread me , he need to refute my points "
The thing is with that Logic , nobody can read sb based on sth .
How ?
Flake is townreading You based on that slip and afterward , right ?
Okay , Let's wrote , " If Flake want to TR You , they need to refute Dash's point/ points which Show You may be scum . "

If You Gave A reaction Like " Dash , If You aren't listening me and my points , You are just tunneling without thinking I am town , and your scumread is just baseless " , Okay , but This reaction is just Scummy IMO .
by UzayAltay
Sat May 18, 2019 1:42 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

And Chem , can You stop dodging me?
by UzayAltay
Sat May 18, 2019 11:25 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Flake wrote:uzay is mafia for barely acknowledging cupcake's existence up until Dash's check on cupcake

only things they had on cupcake were their last 2 posts end of d1:

UzayAltay wrote:/vote Crimson

İ couldn't be ale to read proto with this sleep
But i am Remembering hım contributing,
And Crimson contributing less than cupcake with more post, more experience is just showing FUTR to me (fly under the radar )

Wont be against cupcake Lynch, TBH İ would vote them without reading ISOs but after isos ,Crimson is just textbook FUTR here.
And i am thinking Cup should almost always lynched if He keep that attitude day 2 , And not lynched day 1.
And i need sleep :Salute:

"I would vote them if..." seems incredibly wolfy, seems like you're trying to justify not voting your mafia buddy

UzayAltay wrote:#3168007#3169004: Weird entire posts, first one is a bit concerning. He isnt experienced like Crimson or Seth, but this isnt a meta like tfios as i know. TBH i want to classify this same with Crimson, but if Wè exclude read looking, they are different, but from read Wise it is same with Crimson , it give me Weird vibe, but cant exactly tell "this is scummy "

#3168026 , feels geniune.
#3168032 , tbh seems geniune on one hand, when but at the other hand seems off.

Last Post : (PS -also includes cooments about their vote on me )
Pro -v , include 2 reads (më +dash )
About their vote, it dont seem geniune to me, seems like a memevote but we Arent in memephase and He also didn't acted like in memephase much.

Comment on post 3168007 is incredibly fence-sitty, lengthy analysis to basically conclude "lol idk if it's scummy tbh"

Comment on post 3168026 is just stupid, scum can easily state the obvious so i don't see how it's genuine by any stretch of the imagination, this take seems very forced

Comment on post 3168032 is fence sitting again

uzay is supposed to be at least decent at the game and basically never had a not fence sitting take on pre check cupcake as town???

not buying it

1) I just caught up and went at The time before Dash's check .
You are just legit tunneling without Actually look The Player here .
And How many players really Spoke about Cupcake , or pushed cupcake ?
2) It isnt " I would vote them If X Dont happen/Y happen " .
It is A comparation of my vibe before ISO -reads and after ISO - reads .
3) Okay , What should I Said ? " Lol This opening post is definitely Coming from scum " ? How many of players Said that ? Answer : 0 .
I state I am getting Weird vibe , even cant exactly say " Scummy " . You was The one saying " it isnt anti-town " , I Dont want to say " Scummy " Because even it is anti-town , Crimson is The example town can Also Did that .
4) I looked The tone
It seems More likely to me town!cupcake shading Zucker Than scum .
5) In one hand , that seems A geniune reason , on The other hand , that seems A blockage for not producing comment .
6) You Literally ignored my Last point .
" Last Post : (PS -also includes cooments about their vote on me )
Pro -v , include 2 reads (më +dash )
About their vote, it dont seem geniune to me, seems like a memevote but we Arent in memephase and He also didn't acted like in memephase much."
I Said their Last post is protown .
And due to they Actually townreading me , their post which they voted me is Scummy ( not geniune ) .
Which I [post]/post] before , but not explained at that time , due I need their Last post for comment about That.


Flake wrote:I think Mafia team is {cupcake, uzay, tfios}

Why would Mafia!me Will try to change Your tfios read ?
You started making less and less sense .
by UzayAltay
Sat May 18, 2019 11:23 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Flake wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Oof I am mafia too now? I would like to hear your reasoning as to why proto/ejj are town. Ejj I can somewhat see now but proto has nothing going for him imo.

proto is very likely to be town here by meta, i made an argument for him being town at some point

ejji is likely town for a reason which i'd rather not state yet

What... please don't say you are a PR.

Please :BlobStop:
by UzayAltay
Fri May 17, 2019 12:51 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Flake wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Oof I am mafia too now? I would like to hear your reasoning as to why proto/ejj are town. Ejj I can somewhat see now but proto has nothing going for him imo.

proto is very likely to be town here by meta, i made an argument for him being town at some point

ejji is likely town for a reason which i'd rather not state yet

I can say town .
Because as I understand You are again anglereading .
When I am trusting my metaread on that .
And I know your angleread is NAI , but You are lucky it goes Same place .
by UzayAltay
Fri May 17, 2019 12:36 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Uzay could you explain what you mean by pockety? When you were talking about ejji and me townreading you

Psicologically , people tend to act good to Player they are acted good by , and vice versa .Also Applies from " bad act" .
So , scum can try acting good / townread The players who think they can effect their read with , with hope that Will cause A townread on them , or A Choose which benefit them later at Game .


Oh I get it. Thanks, you're being really helpful.

is it just me that finds this fake

Why somebody Understanding my English is that Weird ?
I am remembering Qva asking questions that Game A lot .
Should look their past Game for comparation
by UzayAltay
Fri May 17, 2019 12:33 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

UzayAltay wrote:
0verki11 wrote:Crimson | 8 | Qvaril, Dash2, Uzayaltay, Flake, Chemist1422, Zucker, Tfoisforevah, Rickdaily12 , ; Cupcakej2 |3 | Grumpygoomba, Ejjinami, Protozigg ; Dash2 | 1 | Eragon1329 ; Uzayaltay | 1 | Cupcakej2 ; Chemist | 1 | , Crimson97,


TBH I am thinking different than Flake here .

My Pool is
Either
1( Goomba , protoo ) , 1 ( Qva , Chem , Rick )
Or 2 ( Qva , Chem , Rick , Zucker , tfios}

About tfios , there are posts Like #3169181 or #3169935I Dont Like , so not aggreeing on tfios being lock-town with Flake .


PS - forget to add : Zucker/ tfios is objectively impossible .
If either Zucker or tfios is Maf , they need to be coached .
by UzayAltay
Fri May 17, 2019 12:28 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

0verki11 wrote:Crimson | 8 | Qvaril, Dash2, Uzayaltay, Flake, Chemist1422, Zucker, Tfoisforevah, Rickdaily12 , ; Cupcakej2 |3 | Grumpygoomba, Ejjinami, Protozigg ; Dash2 | 1 | Eragon1329 ; Uzayaltay | 1 | Cupcakej2 ; Chemist | 1 | , Crimson97,


TBH I am thinking different than Flake here .

My Pool is
Either
1( Goomba , protoo ) , 1 ( Qva , Chem , Rick )
Or 2 ( Qva , Chem , Rick , Zucker , tfios}

About tfios , there are posts Like #3169181 or #3169935I Dont Like , so not aggreeing on tfios being lock-town with Flake .
by UzayAltay
Fri May 17, 2019 12:26 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Flake wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Uzay do you think there are wolves on cupcake?

Aggreeing with Flake here .
1 or none
But not aggreeing with clearing protoo and grumby
With saying " Only Ejji can be scum there "

if i say "probably always" i'm usually not believing it is 100%

:)

TBH I generally use that as " Unless I somehow wrong on A read I am 100% sure .
by UzayAltay
Fri May 17, 2019 12:10 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Flake wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
Flake wrote:1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake), 1 mafia on cupcake and 1 on crimson would make sense

or

1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake) and 2 mafia on crimson

if it's the former, the mafia on cupcake is probably always ejji, and the 3rd mafia is probably Uzay, giving {cupcake, uzay, ejji}

if it's the latter, i think it's probably {cupcake, uzay, rick/qva}


Why uzay?

PoE on crimson's wagon

Which means your PoE sucks
1) You immadieatly assumed Both Goomba and protoo as town .You are probably right about there is max 1 scum ( expecting SK , SK can always change Numbers .) , but You are forgetting Goomba / protoo can be coached .
2) You assumed Ej/me , me/Pool , but not Ej/Pool .
If I am in A Pool with other players , You not accepting Ejj/Pool should have A reason.

I know 1 isnt connected to me , but it is still A mistake.

1) Then let me give a pool assuming one of goomba and proto is Mafia

We know cupcake is mafia, and they will not have coached Goomba or Proto to do that

Which then implies that the 3rd Mafia member is someone who can coach Goomba or Proto to do that, were they to be Mafia

Which can only be like you, rick or ejji

And Ejji is unlikely to be mafia due to a prior happening

So the other plausible pool assuming 1 mafia on Crimson and 1 mafia on cupcake would be

{Cupcake, Uzay/Rick, Goomba/Proto}

and a more restrictive version of this based on my reads specifically would be

{Cupcake, Uzay/Rick, Goomba} as I believe proto to be town

2) Ejji/Pool is impossible assuming 2 Mafia were on the Crimson wagon, because Ejji was not on the Crimson wagon, so your point doesn't make sense, unless I'm misunderstanding


Yes You are :)

1 wasnt about me , it was More about " If one scum is On Crimson , it has to be Ejji " thinking .
For example , cupcake / Chem / Goomba , even unlikely , possible .
2 was about You considering Ejj/me , but not considering sth Like Ejj/(Rick/Qva) .
Why You didnt consider that ?
by UzayAltay
Fri May 17, 2019 12:08 pm
 
Forum: Game Threads
Topic: VFM 49: SK win #rekt
Replies: 2307
Views: 10229

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Chemist1422 wrote:Uzay do you think there are wolves on cupcake?

Aggreeing with Flake here .
1 or none
But not aggreeing with clearing protoo and grumby
With saying " Only Ejji can be scum there "
by UzayAltay
Fri May 17, 2019 11:59 am
 
Forum: Game Threads
Topic: VFM 49: SK win #rekt
Replies: 2307
Views: 10229

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

UzayAltay wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Chemist you're seriously not helping your case

I'm trying, okay?

You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.

Wait What This is completely wrong .
If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip
But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip
Than This is LAMIST
Which is FoS
Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI )
Happily take The cred from Flake
But refusing SRs
Actually This deserves A vote
But I Will Wait for your explanation

Quoting again for that being visible again
by UzayAltay
Fri May 17, 2019 11:58 am
 
Forum: Game Threads
Topic: VFM 49: SK win #rekt
Replies: 2307
Views: 10229

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Chemist1422 wrote:
Zucker wrote:I’m 100% Certain this is scum.

/Vote Proto

Wagon This! ^_^

Why

Quote exact posts

:Facepalm:

I Dont know How Chem isnt raged yet .
by UzayAltay
Fri May 17, 2019 11:55 am
 
Forum: Game Threads
Topic: VFM 49: SK win #rekt
Replies: 2307
Views: 10229

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Spoiler:
ejjinami wrote:[spoiler]Summary:
Zuck: claim cit
RvS
Uzay: regret joining this game, the cit claim is dumb.
Dash: agree with uzay
Rick: agree
Uzay: asked eragon why are they posing music, when it’s NAI now.
Dash: what’s the point of pushing a shitpost?
Qvap: excited to play with Zucker and Grumpy
Uzay: curious. /vote Qvap (joke-team with Zucker and Grumpy)
Qvap: omgus /vote uzay. Uzay’s question was innocen, dash overreacted. Joke about 0ver making unwinnable setups.
Ejj: the game shouldn’t have started because of SK.
Crim: stop, I’m already angleshooting
Qvap: same
Ejj: uzay is townie. Qvap’s post about unwinnable setups is townie
Crim: disagree with ejj about uzay being townie
Qwap: Why not (townie)? I like uzay’s reaction to dash’s questioning.
Ejj: grump, do you prefer town or scum? My TR on uzay was mostly because of tone
Qvap: /unvote uzay. I think he’s town


VC (end of page 3/post 74) (unofficial)
Qvapil (2) UzayAltay, Dash2
host (1) GrumpyGoomba
Dash2 (1) Eragon1329
Zucker (1) Crimson97
GrumpyGoomba (1) Ejjinami

Not voting: Chemist1422, tfiosforevah, cupcakeaj2, Rickdaily12, Zucker, Flake, Phone0lx, ProtoZigg, Qvapil


My notes:
----

Spoiler: Summary:
Rick: Crimson’s entrance is townie. Paranoid of eragon and ejj. I want to avoid killing the SK, cuz they want mafia dead as well.
Flake: town again, fuck. Zucker is seth and he’s trying to gain towncreed (failed). Qvap town for his entrance. Uzay is pretending that he believes the claim.
Tfio: as always, I’m def a cit.
Uzay: this is VFM, why is everyone claiming cit?
Grumpy: 3 bloody claims, why do you yall do this…
Dash: /vote tfios, wolfy entrance
Uzay: ejj is tonally normal, but might have wanted to pocket me.
Grumpy: makes sense
Flake: tfios’s entries are always wolfy. Nai… whyyy is uzay townie?
Dash: no (won’t elaborate on the read on Uzay)
Uzay: 0-1 players are scum trying to pocket me. Ejj not SvS with dash, dash not SvS with Qvap
Flake: /vote dash for his refusal
Uzay: ejj should have said TL on me instead of TR
Grumpy: Don’t like dash’s response
Uzay: Eragon is readable as maf/not maf
Dash: the request to elaborate was stupid because I already said all I had to say
Uzay: fake is scum, cuz he was ok with Zucker’s cit claim
Flake: Dash TRs someone based on meta, yet doesn’t want to elaborate on meta :thinking:
Dash: flake is purposefully being bad
Zucker: Dash voted only because he wanted to vote someone. Tfios always claims D1 and they’re usually cit. Hmm, so dash TR uzay because everyone did it
Uzay: /unvote flake, like his reaction, though I disagree
Zucker: Dash’s read on Uzay is no-effort, his refusal is bad, /vote dash
Flake: /unvote
Qvap: I thought dash was trying to go with the flow, by SRing dash, but his last read on dash is great
Zucker: Confident in scum!dash. They’re just trying to fit in and not help town
Qvap: flake is worse in that manner
Zucker: flake at least explains, dash should be lynched. Flake is still scummy
Chem: Zuck is meta-town


VC (end of page 8/post 174) (unofficial)

Dash2 (2) Eragon1329, Zucker
host (1) GrumpyGoomba
Zucker (1) Crimson97
GrumpyGoomba (1) Ejjinami
tfiosforevah (1) Dash2

Not voting: Chemist1422, tfiosforevah, cupcakeaj2, Rickdaily12, Phone0lx, ProtoZigg, Qvapil, UzayAltay, Flake


My notes:
-----

Spoiler: Summary:
Qvap: idk about meta, which is why I’m against voting dash
Flake: Dash is just ignorant, it’s fair to call him out. Nai though
Qvap: still don’t think he was bad though
Dash: Zuck is doing nothing except for shading me /vote zucker
Chemist: You just haven’t played with him before
Dash: yeah, I realized midway /unvote zuck. Or no, fuck that, zucker explain.
Uzay: Zucker vs Dash isn’t SvS
Dash: Grumpy didn’t do much until flake pushed me. Zucker supposedly skipped a lot and only read my posts as catchup and skipped the response to flake. At least 1 is prob scum. Flake is hypocritical
Phone: Flake’s vote on Dash is bad. Tfio is scum most of the time, not cit btw.
Dash: phone is town
Chemist: agree
Dash: we should kill the SK
Rick: I like uzay’s posts, but not the progression on flake. Let’s talk about SK
Flake: I’m not a hypocrite
Dash: Flake is pushing a dead argument, move on. @rick, your thoughts on the push on me
Grumpy: I haven’t done anything helpful yet, I’ll get better later
Rick: dash wasn’t in any danger of being wagoned. Flake’s push and dash’s responses were normal. Gomba is noise, but isn’t opportunistic. Zuck is opportunistic, his push on dash is bad even as for seth. Grumba, you should post.
Dash: town should kill SK asap
Rick: Phone is more confident than normal, which is weird, but I agree with him a lot. Chemist is passive. I like flake’s defense of tfios.
Phone: how am I confident, lol? Dash’s and chemist’s TRs on me are weird, because I didn’t write a lot. Fake’s explanations are townie
Rick: I remember phone flailing more as town
Dash: My TR on phone is because of the natural entrance
Chem: same
Dash: chem is just sheeping me
Phone: Flake said he might do sth like that as scum, bon bon, he’s town. Chem should stop sheeping
Rick: flake’s sef-meta is nai, phone rewarding him for that is gross.
Phone: self-meta is not scummy, it’s townie.
Dash: phone’s reason for TRing flake is weak
Rick: meta is nai. TLing flake, but phone’s reasons for doing that are gross
Chem: I’m not sheeping
Zuck: tfios always claims cit d1. And I didn’t read the game, only isoed Dash
Dash: why did you skip?
Zuck: chem Has been off and unhelpful. I always skip and iso the most scummy peep.
Dash: I don’t see why flake is townie (@rick). I’m blocking Zuck
Zuck: it’s gamethrowing
Rick: Flake it town bc of meta and pure progression. Zuck is ignoring my question
Qvap: we should lynch SK . Chem seems less helpful, but it might be due to RL. Let’s not talk about alts
Rick: Qvap’s post about lynching SK screams townie to me
Dash: have been TRing Qva for a while
Zuck: same. TR: Qva, Uzay. At least 1 scum in: flake, Dash, Chem
Rick: @chem, why is Zuck town again?
Rick: we should kill SK
Dash: rick misread the RCs. The mafia want to use the cop and vig, so they won’t switch
Rick: Qva is still town. And mafia always turn cop and doc off after SK dies
Ejj: we should kill SK
Dash: mafia can just use cop to find the PRs
Ejj: I don’t like grumpy’s shitposts, Flake&Zuck are not SvS, Uzay was town for being chill. Tfios isn’t SK for the tone of the cit claim, grumpy’s posts are lamist. Scared scum for not voting dash. I don’t like Uzay’s reaction to flake’s push. Zuck and dash not SvS.
Qvap: mafia don’t have a cop
Dash: they do, FUCK, I’M RETARDED
Ejj: zucker’s read on Dash is fake.
Flake: Dash it spewed town
Ejj: Qvap is hella townie.
Flake: Dash doesn’t fake a townslip like that
Dash: rick was right about SK
Tfio: take my claim as real or not, but the tone being bad is NAI.
Dash: /vote tfios (the post makes no sense from town-pov)
Ejj: I feel Zucker’s push on dash might have been pressure, the confidence is suicidal (not scummy)


VC (end of page 15/post 349) (unofficial)

Dash2 (2) Eragon1329, Zucker
Zucker (1) Crimson97
host (1) GrumpyGoomba
GrumpyGoomba (1) Ejjinami
Tfiosforevah (1) Dash2

Not voting: Chemist1422, tfiosforevah, cupcakeaj2, Rickdaily12, Phone0lx, ProtoZigg, Qvapil, UzayAltay, Flake


My notes:
It’s very unlikely for Flake and Zuck to be scum together based on the way Flake revealed Zuck’s main and criticized him for pretending not to be seth.
Zucker wrote:
Flake wrote:can you stop pretending to not be seth it's annoying


How did you know though? :/

It’s strongly not MvM imo.
The way tfio has claimed makes her unlikely to be SK, I think.

Spoiler: Summary
Ejj: dash’s post is townie
Dash: Scum is within (tfio, Grumpy, Zucker + low posters)
Ejj: both Dash and zuck might be town
Uzay: TL dash because of the interactions with flake. Flake and seth are not SvS. My main issue with flake previously was claiming being anti-town, but I liked his answer. It was also supposed to be pressure.
Eragon: Ejj can bleed town if town, agree with rick about SK. Uzay was making a big deal out of flake’s reaction to tfi’s claim.
Flake: dash, phone =town, [tfi, Qva, Uzay, Zuck, ejj] TL, rick-50% scum
Eragon: why is rick scum?
Dash: why is rick so low?
Flake: don’t want to tell or rick will adapt
Chem: Effort is AI eragon. Dash can still be SK
Flake: I’m testing my read on rick, I want him to post more.
Cupcake: multiple negations- claim doc.
Dash: if that’s legit, I’m replacing out
Flake: chem has to post more.
Ejj: rick’s null-read on grumpy makes no sense and I don’t like him pushing an easy ML (Seth) as an alternative. I want to lynch grumpy today. And zucker is townie because otherwise he’d be suicidal.
Chem: busy with school
Ejj: phone’s posts look natural
Cup: zucker is an alt and he doesn’t want to explain himself
Ejj: is zuck actually confident in dahs being scum? Zuck and chem Are not SvS
Cup: let’s support horrible reads /vote uzay
Ejj: dash is town cuz of his slip. Eragon shouldn’t read me based on meta from MS.
Cup: I hate ejj, I wanted to TR dash first. I like uzay’s explanations as well (don’t ask why I voted him). Phone is townie for noticing stuff
Rick: Qvap it town cuz of purity, Chem is town cuz of his SK reasoning. I wish tfios didn’t approach every game like that. Zuck is bad cuz he didn’t even try to analyze dash. His posts are garbage. But he’s VI, but it’s not a reason to TR him. Uzay’s conversation with flake is weird.
Ejj: Cup’s read on Uzay is townie and not SvS. TR [Qvap, dash], [phone, uzay, zuck] TL, [Rick, grumpy] SL
Rick: I liked crims’s entrance. Flake has to explain his read on me. Agree with ejj that grumpy’s post quality is shit. Grump is null. I despise Zuker’s play, idk what to say about me pushing an easy ML. Seth pisses me off. I don’t like ejj not liking my lack of TR on zuck. Ejj always SRs me. Flake is avoiding engaging me.
Chem: %%%%% if SK is killed. We’re in a town-sided mountainous
Tfio: we should wait with killing SK until at least 1 maf is dead.
Zuck: disagree
Dash: tfio parroted what I said earlier. I want to lynch them if they keep posting useless stuff. Hope cup is not a doc.
Chem: I’m not ok with lynching tfio, they play at their own pace.
Dash: cupcake can’t be town. Tfios should replace out if they don’t have time to play
Zuck: I didn’t like cup’s vote either, but he’s always bad. Same with tfio. Dash is saying all of that to avoid the lynch. His previous question to rick about his wagon was bad. Scared scum
Dash: quote. If bad, I’ll ignore you for the rest of the game. Actually, tfio isn’t the best option /vote cup
Zuck: Dash is trying to distract the lynch


VC (end of page 20/post 499) (unofficial)

Dash2 (2) Eragon1329, Zucker
Zucker (1) Crimson97
host (1) GrumpyGoomba
GrumpyGoomba (1) Ejjinami
UzayAltay (1) cupcakeaj2
cupcakeaj2 (1) Dash2

Not voting: Chemist1422, tfiosforevah, Rickdaily12, Phone0lx, ProtoZigg, Qvapil, UzayAltay, Flake


My notes:
If I remember it correctly nearly 1 day has passed, yet no real wagons have formed. It’d say Dash’s push on cup was the first “serious” push of the game.

Spoiler: Summary:
Dash: Zuck can’t read, replace out
Chemist: OMGUS
Dash: phone is null
Zuck: Dash is pushing an easy ML. nothing he did is townie
Dash: chemist is not contributing
Dash: chem Is protecting dash
Dash: zuck’s tunnel is unhelpful
Crims: ejj is lying about short phases
Zuck: chem Seems SvS with Dash
Dash: Zuck not-mafia-slipped
Chem: Eragon is solid town for reads, Cupcake is bad. Zucker is meta town, Phone is townie.
Zuck: dash can’t give their reads, they’re scum
Dash: Uzay&cupcake are not SvS cuz of cupcake’s vote. Tfios’s parroting is not townie
Crimson: won’t vote dash- (serious) joke
Dash: I want to lynch cupcake
Crims: Flake should have null-read Rick
Tfio: Dash it townie, phone ok, Zucker is normal, Crimson is slight meta scum
Dash: mixed signals from tfios, null.
Grump: I was reaction-testing Dash. It backfired. I worded the post about inactivity in a bad way. I wanted to claim PR and waste a kill on me.
Dash: stop fcking claiming. Not buying the “reaction test”
Grumpy: I know I’m a pain. You’re gonna hate me when I flip town
Dash: grumpy seems forced
Qvap: SK, SK, SK
Uzay: wtf, cup’s claim
Qvap: Ejj is townie, tfio is meta less townie. Grumpy should talk, he should have stuff to say if town
Uzay: NK, NK, NK
Qvap: willing to vote grumpy. Too defeated to be town
Grump: Town [Rick > Uzay, chem, Dash, Qvap] scum [Zuck, Cup]
Grump: /vote cup, strongest SR
Qvap: Grump&Cup are not SvS


VC (page 24/post 576) (official)

Dash2 (2) Eragon1329, Zucker
Zucker (2) Crimson97, ProtoZigg
cupcakeaj2 (2) Dash2, GrumpyGoomba
GrumpyGoomba (1) Ejjinami
UzayAltay (1) cupcakeaj2

Not voting: Chemist1422, tfiosforevah, Rickdaily12, Phone0lx, Qvapil, UzayAltay, Flake


My notes:
Grumpy’s vote on cup should make them less likely to be MvM imo.
Their strongest SRs were cupcake and Zuck, and both reads have been explained p well, so Grumpy could have voted either without looking suspicious. There were others who didn’t like Zuck’s behavior, so it would have been incredibly easy for grumpy to push a ML imo

Spoiler: Summary:
Chem: Qvap’s interaction read is surface level. Didn’t like Grump’s AtE, but their wall is good.
Zuck: No one is listenting to me. Dash is still scum
Dash: Grump&cup are not both mafia
Grump: hopefully cop checks me
Eragon: Switch, switch, switch (dunno how SK works) /vote zuck, bad play, omgus. Qvap is townie
Flake: Phone=meta town, tfios claimed so is town, Zuck is strong town for not-mafia-slipping and being dumb, rick is null, cuz my scum-tell is wrong. Support a cake lynch, trash iso
Eragon: top town: Dash, Qvap, Grump. (for effort)
Flake: Agree on grumpy, could be good newb scum though
Eragon: They’re not frozen, scum would
Flake: not frozen = good scum
Eragon: slacking is NAI
Dash: Grump isn’t town, town doesn’t reveal their claim idea, their AtE is bad. The cop-check post is AtE. Rick is townie for setup spec. Flake’s read are all meta
Grumpy: Me revealing the claim idea is wifom and I really wanted cop to check me
Dash: 1-st response is bad
Proto: Grumpy could be newbtown, NAI
Flake: Meta is good. Rick talking about SK is NAI /vote cupcake
Dash: rick’s iso is townie, but might be good scum
Flake: leave him fn, see his progression. Lynch priority: [cup>crim>Proto]. Maybe crim over cup
Grumpy: scum keeping me alive is the reason for me abandoning the plan
Phone: Flake’s read on me is townie and well explained. Dahs, why has your read on me changed?
Dash: cuz you’re unproductive
Uzay: agree that Grump and cup aren’t SvS. Grumpy’s townclaim feels genuine. Why is flake SRing Zuck and not doing anything? Dash’s post about switches doesn’t seem genuine
Dash: I was explaining how it works, lol
Uzay: not genuine slip
Chem: ok with proto today
Dash: no proto lynch, proto should be prodded for lack of content
Chem: they should comment, or I’m ok with the lynch
Dash: there are better lynches
Uzay: dash’s post is fake
Grump: we shouldn’t go for proto, don’t know anything about them. Cupcake better
Chem: but not leaving till endgame
Uzay: I like flake’s lynchpool. Sk, SK, SK
Dash: SK, SK, SK
[conversation about SK -_-]
Tfio: ok. with either cup or crimson, don’t lynch proto cuz of Lack of activity.
Proto: shut up tfio /vote tfio
Flake: hi triangular
Grumpy: replace out proto
Dash: Proto should still be replaced for lack of content
Flake: tfio is likely town cuz he’s progressive and not scum with either cup or crimson due to his reads.
Qvap: I have a bunch of TRs, but no scum
Flke: PoE is good. And scum might be inactive or good
Ejj: my read on cupcake was bad, he’s frozen scum.
Dash: ejj, wagon cup with me
Flake: both cup and crim are bad. Cup’s read on uzay might be too reckless for scum.
Ejj: rick reverse-shaded tfio. I misunderstood rick’s post about Grumpy and Seth. It’s ok now. Seth is still town for his suicidal actions. Rick misunderstood my post. I might have a tendency to SR rick. /vote cup
Proto: you crying? /vote grum
Dash: I want Proto replaced
Proto: grow a backbone. Chem, Qva –locktown
Qvap: Cupcake seemed better as scum, they might be town
Proto: Cup is locksucm
Ejj: Zuck’s read on dash is fundamentally wrong
Proto: Phone is scummy, flake unreadable. Flake ignored me
Qvap: explain your reads Proto
Ejj: doubt the meta TR on cup, but I’ll look at it later
Proto: won’t explain. Cupcake, phone- scream scum. Don’t waste my time, you’re town.
Flake: one of Crim/cup will get lynched
Grump: why is phone scum, proto?
Qvap: help me with my reads prot
Proto: Qvap’s meta read on cup is BS. Grumpy cried. Phone is scum for not being challenging and logical. He’s buddying flake, crying for towncreed, lazy, posts are garbage. Flake is locktown
Proto: TOWN: [color=#0080FF]Dash2
, Flake, SCUMTEAM: Qva, Cupcake, Phone, Goomba <-cuz annoying
Qvap: Cupcake is still meta-not scum, crimson hasn’t done anything. I don’t want to lynch cup /vote crims
Proto: /vote cup disagree
[/color]


VC (page 31/post 768) (unofficial)
cupcakeaj2 (5) Dash2, GrumpyGoomba, Flake, Ejjinami, ProtoZigg
Zucker (2) Crimson97, Eragon1329
Dash2 (1) Zucker
UzayAltay (1) cupcakeaj2
Crimson97 (1) Qvapil

Not voting: Chemist1422, tfiosforevah, Rickdaily12, Phone0lx, UzayAltay


My notes:
I feel flake shouldn’t be bussing cupcake here. I don’t think he’s the type to give up that early, especially not after people said they’re interested in voting crimson. Prob not MvM.

The wagon on crimson started slooooowly, without anyone intending to push it seriously.
Qvapil wrote:I quickly read through crimson and cupcake's isos. I still think cupcake feels different from our scum game together. Crimson hasn't really done anything. They don't have enough content for me to comfortably read them but I don't want to lynch cupcake rn. I'll place my vote here for lack of better alternatives and I hope I'll wake up early enough tomorrow to maybe switch.
/vote crimson

Qvap’s vote on crimson was the very first one and besides Zuck (who was voted by 2 conf townies) that was the only real “counterwagon”.

It’s p clear that the scums had no intention of defending cupcake imo. It’s a rather good argument for him being town, but I feel that regardless it’s very likely for at least 1 mafia to have been on his wagon back then.

Prob 1-2 mafia among: [Grumpy, Flake, Proto]
3 are very unlikely imo.
0-1 maf among: [Zuck, Cup, Qvap]
0-2 maf among: [Chem, tfio, Rick, Uzay]

Honestly, I still feel that Grumpy has nice scum equity.
The fact that they were SR when a wagon on Cup (and crimson) was forming, but no one seemed to want to vote Grumpy (to distract either lynch) is weird.
There were way more reasons for suspecting grumpy (lamist, bad jokes, being unhelpful, constant AtE) than crimson (inactivity) and some people did question/push Grumpy before, so a wagon not forming on grump probably implies that if Grump was town/SK, cup has to be town/SK as well.
It’s possibly town-indicative for cup regardless, and possibly mafia-indicative for Grump, but I’m not entirely sure if I can confidently read them based on that.

Spoiler: Summary:
Rick: Zucker&dash can both be town. Strugling to read Grumpy
Dash: I’d rather lynch for wolfy comments than no comments. Qvap’s logic is flawed
Zucker: Dash is scum so Cup is town and all who vote them are sus. Qva is town, chem isn’t townie. Proto is scum for TRing chem
Grump: why do u think cup will flip town?
Proto: Zuck’s arguments about town!cup are shit. Read on chem is ok though
Zucker: I don’t like Proto’s reaction, screams scum. He and Chem are mafia. Don’t think I’m wrong on Dash, but if town, needs to act townier. /vote proto I also don’t like the read on Qvap, give reasoning. Cup is town cuz they’re bad as town, they try as mafia
Grump: Still feel cup is scum, but the reasoning is plausible. Thoughts on Crimson?
Zuck: ok with crimson /vote crimson
Dash: [crimson’s posts] hmm, still think there isn’t much to go off. Can see wolf, but prefer cup
Zuck: cuz bad? Never lynch cuz bad
Dash: if I was voting for bad play, I’d be pushing u zuck
Grumpy: I don’t see why u find dash scummy, they’re townie
Flake: unlikely that seth replicated their meta so well
Chem: most null people are going for cup, so I prefer crim. Cup’s wagon is more wolf-driven
Flake: completely disagree
Chem: Grump and tfio are both pushing cup. People are ignoring crim. Tfio’s ony reasons for lynching cup are inactivity and them being the top wagon. Team: tfio/crim/grump
Flake: disagree on tfio, grumpy is too high for newb scum
Rick: not!SK slip/claim? Grumba might have wanted to everyone to think he isn’t SK. Tfios’s reads make no sense. Disagree with ejj’s stance on zuck, but ok.
Uzay: Crim is weird because all of their posts are nai. Some posts were genuine though. Sleepy and need to read at least 2 more players to vote. Flake’s lynch-pool is good.


VC (end of page 35/post 874) (unofficial)

Crimson97 (5) Qvapil, Zucker, Dash2, UzayAltay, Flake
cupcakeaj2 (3) GrumpyGoomba, Ejjinami, ProtoZigg
Zucker (2) Crimson97, Eragon1329
UzayAltay (1) cupcakeaj2
Tfiosforevah (1) Chemist1422

Not voting: tfiosforevah, Rickdaily12, Phone0lx


My notes:
Honestly, Zucker being so detached and voting everyone around him while ignoring the main wagon looks p bad for him as well, especially if the wagons were TvT.
It feels like he didn’t give a shit about his vote and about the lynch. The only thing he seemed to care about was his “perfect scum-team”, which honestly, could have been a great excuse for not getting involved in pushing the likely MLes.
IF cupcake is mafia with zuck, I think Zuck might have been more likely to take the lynch a bit more seriously and at least try to push a real wagon…
I think

Uzay didn’t seem to want to jump onto crimson when he first made a read on him. (post 809). He seemed to be “passively analyzing his posts” and didn’t seem in a rush to push anyone. The lack of interest prob means that he wasn’t interested in cup getting lynched either.
Not MvM with cup? Possibly, though considering the situation the post feels townie to me regardless.
UzayAltay wrote:And i need to read at least 2 more player for commit a vote
And i dont have much time for that, i am about to forfeit to sleep.

^ same here, he doesn’t seem in a rush, despite the day ending. Very possibly not MvM with cup

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Fun fact, there were a lot more people who talked about crimson with no voting intentions than those who voted him. No one was clearly “confident” in them being scum and no one seemed to have had any actual reasons for SRing them either, yet the wagon grew to an enormous size later.

Honestly, I still doubt scum were the ones who pushed the wagon first. IF they wanted to protect maf!cupcake, I think they would have been more likely to push someone like grumpy or zuck, whom they’d be able to scum-case, instead of someone who has been just “inactive”.
There was NO counterwagon and the only ones on Zuck’s “counterwagon(?)” were (now confirmed) townies.
Again, that prob hints to cup being either bussed or town and to the first voters being townies.

I really doubt there was no scum involvement in the wagon though.
Voted: [Qvap, Zuck, Dash, Uzay, Flake] (0-1 mafia)
Supported Crimson’s lynch but weren’t on wagon: [tfio, grumpy, chemist(?)]
(chemist was on the wagon later, but jumped on only after a big wagon formed. He seemed unwilling to vote before crimson arrived…)
I think there’s a fair chance there’s at least 1-2 scum among [tfio, grumpy, chemist]

Among them both tfio and grumpy had solid SRs on cupcake. Chem seemed to have had a TR, but it was based on interactions only. Idk what to make of it, but I thought I’d write it just in case, so that I don’t forget about it later.

Spoiler: Summary:
Rick: I hate proto’s slot. Both he and cup and jesters, want them lynched, but don’t have a read on them
Flake: Triang is always a jester
Rick: agree with dash that Grump might be SK, ok with lynching. Lynch order: Grump>proto=cup>crims. My read on crims isn’t that good anymore
Cup: shade on Dash. Idkif I should read my rc or not
Chem: can we PL cup
Dash: refuse to believe in cup gamethrowing.
Cup: ok
Dash: I want cup dead ASAP
Uzay: Flake is weird, but idk if scummy
Flake: cup is trying to make a fake-slip, bye scum
Cup: agreed
Flake: frozen. The fact that cup immediately understood the meaning of my post is funny
Dash: /vote crimson, fck that, I’m not ML-ing over stupidity
Cup: but you think I’m scum, what?
Dash: cup might have not read his RC, not taking the risk
Uzay: /vote crim, proto contributed, crimson is flying under the radar and posted less content than cup with more posts. Crimson is textbook FUTR, but I don’t mind lynching cupcake. Cup should always be lynched if he keeps it up
Chem: there’s always 1 town/SK in crim/cup cuz of the wagon progression. There are no other counterwagons and there should be if MvM
Flake: cup wrote about not reading his RC before the push on him, so it was a genuine not-maf slip? (cuz of maf-chat). Yeah, lynch crimson.
Chem: it’s not a slip cuz of discord
Flake: the game wouldn’t have started
Cup: /unvote
Cup: Zuck’s tunnel is bad
Chem: /vote tfio
Flake: explain
Chem: tfio’s read on cup is bad
Rick: Disagree with proto’s TR on phone, but it was pro-town. Proto’s read change on Qva is weird. Proto and zuck aren’t SvS. Crimson is normal. Grumpy is not mafia due to the cop bait. Tfio and crim are only MvM if the scums don’t care at all. Cup is as bad as zucker. I don’t believe he didn’t check his RC /vote Grumpy. Crims’s wagon looks purer than Cup’s
Dash: chem’s vote on tfio is shit
Flake: make sure that crim dies, gn
Chem: eragon is meta town
Rick: don’t want to lynch cup cuz crimson’s wagon is more pure
Chem: tfio is wolf for the post about cup/crim, grumpy’s AtE was bad. Proto is weird
Rick: why is ejj scummy flake
Dash: why is ejj scummy
eragon: ….shitposts
Rick: Flake or ejj might be deepwolves (but townie)
Crimson: I’m getting lynched for nothing
Dash: useless
Chem: crim might be frozen
Zuck: Scum: Crim/dash & chem, town: Uzay, Era, Qva. Eragon cuz he voted dash and had a townie read on chem
Crim: there’s no read on me, so I can’t answer it
Era: I never voted dash
Dash: zuck is bad
Crim: zucker’s SR on me came out of nowhere
Zuck: it’s because you and Dash are puppeting each other. SK/M
Dash: zuck doesn’t know what he’s doing
Rick: crim is flailing. The pushes on Dash and Zuck are bad
Crim: Qvap should vote someone else if they’re not SRing me. Zucker’s arguments are bad
Chem: I don’t like crim’s defense. Flailing, not solving
Rick: it’s impossible to understand zuck
Dash: Crims scumclaimed
Rick: crims isn’t persuasive
Crim: I wanted to address all points against me before solving. Chem is trying to not get MLed
Dash: crim’s reactions are obv forced
Chem: crim deflected
Crim: chem is twisting words
Dash: crim can’t be town
Chem: /vote crim
Crim: one of chem/dash is scum with zuck. The wagon is led by scum
Zuck: chem is still scum, bussing
Rick: try to solve @crim
Crim: chem was waiting for a not-scummy opportunity to vote me
Zuck: I caught 3 scum
Crim: chem dismissed my case, zuck is useless
Dash: crim’s posts are useless, except for the last one
Zuck: Rick is shading me, he feels like SvS with crim
Crim: scum is pushing me, chem wanted an excuse to vote
Chem: zuck, explain how am I scum with Crim/dash
Crim: chem is scum, Zuck is scum
Zuck: I’m ok with anyone on my scum-list. But not SK cuz I want to mess with them
Dash: Zuck is proven not-mafia, @crim
Era: it still doesn’t stop anyone
Dash: u saying zuck is SK?
Crim: Chem was looking for an excuse, Zuck is trash, you’re coordinating
Zuck: no, it’s u and chem, we can vote chem
Dash: crim is sucking up to me
Zuck: Dash SK slipped (shade)
Eragon: no
Chem: both zuck and crim are trying to paint me as mafia
Zuck: crim didn’t vote so he’s chem’s buddy
Chem: no
Crim: I was already voting him /vote chem
Dash: zuck is zuck. Crim is bad
Zuck: /vote chem
Chem: my posts make sense, I won’t towncase myself
Rick: crim mafi-slipped (joke?) Zucker has low chances of being mafia
Dash: crimson’s reads are crap. Chem is bad as well
Rick: I don’t want to lynch chem
Zuck: chem and crim are never a ML. They’re going for town-creed and want to lynch me later
Chem: I’m not caling u scum zuck, you’re dumb
Crim: forgot to defend against flake
Eragon: /vote crim
Zuck: /vote crim
Dash: I like neither chem nor crim
Era: /unvote


VC (end of page 44/post 1099) (unofficial)

Crimson97 (6) Qvapil, Dash2, UzayAltay, Flake, Chemist1422, Zuck
cupcakeaj2 (3) GrumpyGoomba, Ejjinami, ProtoZigg
Zucker (1) Crimson97
UzayAltay (1) cupcakeaj2
GrumpyGoomba (1) Rickdaily12

Not voting: tfiosforevah, Phone0lx, Eragon1329


My notes:
Intense push.
I don’t think I can say anything new here. Zuck seemed opportunistic with his votes, but idk if it’s AI.

Spoiler: Summary:
Rick: I’m TRing chem
Zuck: If I die, vote chem.
Dash: tinfoil, Chem&crim bussing SvS
Chem: will happily eat the SK kill tonight
Dash: bad post
Rick: /vote zuck he claimed SK
Crim: told you he’s scum /vote zuck
Rick: no, this is even worse /unvote
Tfio: /vote crim, I was first to SR them, their lack of content is still scummy
Rick: reeeee, do I hammer
Crim: no
Eragon: I feel tfios doesn’t understand what Zucker did, but is trying to fit in
Dash: hammer
Crim: /vote chem
Chem: crimson town-spewed me
Rick: /vote crim hammer


VC (HAMMER, page 47/post 1169)
Crimson97 (8) Qvapil, Dash2, UzayAltay, Flake, Chemist1422, Zuck, tfiosforevah, Rickdaily12
cupcakeaj2 (3) GrumpyGoomba, Ejjinami, ProtoZigg
UzayAltay (1) cupcakeaj2
Chemist1422 (1) Crimson97

Not voting: Phone0lx, Eragon1329


My notes:
All scum had to have been voting
I still think that if scum are on the wagon, they should be on its later parts.
Again, the wagon being lead by town and no one being interested in making another wagon before that happened prob means that cupcake is town… :/
Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the mafia were divided equally on the wagon
Meaning, 1-2 among: [(Qvap/Uzay/Flake/Zuck), tfios, rick]
1-2 among: [Grumpy, Proto, cupcake]

That’s prob where I’m at rn.

[Qvap, Dash]
[Uzay, zuck, flake]
[rick, cupcake]
[tfio, chemist]
[proto, grumpy]

I’d like to lynch among [tfio, chem, proto, grumpy] today
I’ll explain my reads in more detail (and catch up) when I come back home

This is town.


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by UzayAltay
Fri May 17, 2019 11:54 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Flake wrote:uzay just has like

nothing going for him

and he's fully within the realm of his scum meta

:)
It just started to be funny .
Okay , explain further How I am in my " scum Meta "
You can say PoE , but This is wrong .
by UzayAltay
Fri May 17, 2019 11:47 am
 
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