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Re: VFM 49: SK win #rekt

Dash2 wrote:One gripe I have about this game is that town constantly misused "slips". My so-called slip wasn't even a townslip. Chemist forcing his own slip honestly made me believe he was scum and I'm upset that he wasn't. If you're town there's literally no reason for you to try and force a slip. If we were on any other site Chemist would have likely been lynched in this scenario.

Also we could have potentially avoided the doc being killed N1 if it wasn't for the early claims.

Your mistake quite obviously came from Town

Chemist didn't force a slip, and his reaction to the situation was one of the main things that made me think he was Town

I completely disagree with the notion that hiccups were "misused", the ones from Ejji, Zucker and you all reigned true, and was one of the main things that made my D2 PoE significantly better than basically everyone else
by Flake
Mon May 27, 2019 4:55 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Crimson97 wrote:Oh fuck i didn't see that vote rip. You got me.

I'm still confused as to how this even flipped Town

What town says "rip. You got me" after being lynched LMAO
by Flake
Mon May 27, 2019 1:48 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: SK win #rekt

Chemist1422 wrote:This is a call out post

Seth calling me more SK than the SK is dumb given that he tunneled me as mafia for the first two days

Seth's everything in this game was dumb
by Flake
Mon May 27, 2019 11:21 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: SK win #rekt

My shot priority in that gamestate would have been

Proto > Qva > Goomba > Chemist > Seth = Tfios
by Flake
Mon May 27, 2019 11:16 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: SK win #rekt

Flake wrote:They were the most town player in that game state other than you imo

actually i lie

seth existed
by Flake
Mon May 27, 2019 11:15 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: SK win #rekt

ejjinami wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:Not much to speak , tfios shoot was bad

IT WASN’T
I still believe shooting tfios was the best choice I could have made.

We were in 6:1, had I not shot or had my shot failed, we’d have ended up in MyLo (5:1=>3:1) instead of LyLo (4:1=>2:1).
I thought that unless my reads were terribly wrong, maf-immune SK wouldn’t have allowed me to shoot and trying to shoot a town-immune SK wouldn’t have been any different from not shooting at all.
The best course of action was to try to shoot a scummy and easily ML-able TOWNIE to make PoE easier. Trying to kill SK would have been bad play.

But the thing is

Tfios never flipped scum based on things they said D3, and now that I think about it, I should have trusted my meta reads on Tfios more than I actually did, the chance of them flipping scum ever was low

They were the most town player in that game state other than you imo

It required understanding Tfios' meta, they are blunt as town and happy-go-lucky as scum
by Flake
Mon May 27, 2019 11:12 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: SK win #rekt

UzayAltay wrote:Tfios was very obvious town .
The All push on tfios was bad , including shooting them .
Not blaming You much for closing PoE , but still it wasnt The way to go .

mhm, as soon as tfios started doing things d3 i knew they never flipped scum, too bad i wasn't alive to say anything about it

pushing tfios prior to d3 was not bad imo, though gut told me they flip town based on their bluntness
by Flake
Mon May 27, 2019 9:11 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: SK win #rekt

lowkey mad that i lost the game when i'd have solved all mafia during d3 tfios where they made it blatant that they flip town

qva played decently up until f3 where i feel they actually became obvious, lots of hedging and woe is me, and also in that f3 specifically the argument as to why SK would leave vig switch off comes into play massively, since chemist or debil both could easily have been shot, but no one cared about it
by Flake
Mon May 27, 2019 2:46 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 3

Chemist1422 wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Unless you banked on seth being dense

given how seth has been this entire game.yes i would bank on.seth being dense

:clap:

so, SK hunting sucks. I'm also not going to wifom the night kill because it doesn't work.

let's rewind back to the tfios shot from ejji. why did the sk not switch ejji off?

two options, could be combined
1. stupid
2. wasnt in any danger

does either apply to me?

why did no one care about the obvious argument alluding to qva being SK

it just went ignored for some reason and no one even suspected qva even slightly because of it
by Flake
Mon May 27, 2019 2:39 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Forgot I had cupcake voted lol
by Flake
Sat May 18, 2019 2:47 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

/unvote
by Flake
Sat May 18, 2019 2:47 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Someone unvote now
by Flake
Sat May 18, 2019 2:46 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

gtg bye
by Flake
Sat May 18, 2019 2:34 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

I’m really busy right now but I’m just gonna make some quick comments, sorry if I am dodging people but I don’t have time to make lengthy arguments and stuff

Ejji my sudden shift in now believing you are not mafia is because you overlooked dash’s redcheck on cupcake, implying you were very likely not in a mafia chat, it is possible that you faked this or mafia just didn’t make the comment in mafia chat, but I doubt it

Same goes for Zucker

Tfios I am relatively unsure on, but I think they actually flip town for being blunt, but that is an uncertain read

Most of my meta reads make complete sense imo, namely the ones on proto and tfios, I’m not seeing how they are shitty at all, I think they are indiciative to at least some extent
by Flake
Sat May 18, 2019 2:33 pm
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

uzay is mafia for barely acknowledging cupcake's existence up until Dash's check on cupcake

only things they had on cupcake were their last 2 posts end of d1:

UzayAltay wrote:/vote Crimson

İ couldn't be ale to read proto with this sleep
But i am Remembering hım contributing,
And Crimson contributing less than cupcake with more post, more experience is just showing FUTR to me (fly under the radar )

Wont be against cupcake Lynch, TBH İ would vote them without reading ISOs but after isos ,Crimson is just textbook FUTR here.
And i am thinking Cup should almost always lynched if He keep that attitude day 2 , And not lynched day 1.
And i need sleep :Salute:

"I would vote them if..." seems incredibly wolfy, seems like you're trying to justify not voting your mafia buddy

UzayAltay wrote:#3168007#3169004: Weird entire posts, first one is a bit concerning. He isnt experienced like Crimson or Seth, but this isnt a meta like tfios as i know. TBH i want to classify this same with Crimson, but if Wè exclude read looking, they are different, but from read Wise it is same with Crimson , it give me Weird vibe, but cant exactly tell "this is scummy "

#3168026 , feels geniune.
#3168032 , tbh seems geniune on one hand, when but at the other hand seems off.

Last Post : (PS -also includes cooments about their vote on me )
Pro -v , include 2 reads (më +dash )
About their vote, it dont seem geniune to me, seems like a memevote but we Arent in memephase and He also didn't acted like in memephase much.

Comment on post 3168007 is incredibly fence-sitty, lengthy analysis to basically conclude "lol idk if it's scummy tbh"

Comment on post 3168026 is just stupid, scum can easily state the obvious so i don't see how it's genuine by any stretch of the imagination, this take seems very forced

Comment on post 3168032 is fence sitting again

uzay is supposed to be at least decent at the game and basically never had a not fence sitting take on pre check cupcake as town???

not buying it
by Flake
Sat May 18, 2019 9:43 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Makes sense why I'd be kept alive if that were the case

If my D1 reads were decent I think I'd be dead
by Flake
Sat May 18, 2019 5:39 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

I think Mafia team is {cupcake, uzay, tfios}
by Flake
Sat May 18, 2019 5:38 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

UzayAltay - 8
tfiosforevah - 7
Rickdaily12 - 5
ProtoZigg/TheDebil - 4
Chemist1422 - 4
Qvapil - 3
Goomba - 3
ejjinami - 2
Zucker - 2
Dash - 1

Mafia equity list based upon interactions with cupcake & other things

From 0-10, 0 being least likely to be mafia, 10 being most likely, 5 being default probability of being mafia (2/10 = 0.2) with Flake, Eragon, Phone and Crimson as known Town and Cupcake as known Mafia from my PoV
by Flake
Sat May 18, 2019 5:32 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Qvapil wrote:
cupcakeaj2 wrote:To vote or not to vote?

To sheep or not to sheep?

To not copy Shakespeare or not?

tfiosforevah wrote:I’m okay with either a cupcake Lynch or a crimson lynch, proto zigg should never be lynched at this point in this case since their slot is unreadable at the moment due to inactivity , hopefully a more active player replaces in

As to crimson and cupcake, they have both been actively inactive, crimson moreso than cupcake, by posting barely anything helpful from a townie perspective. IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either


"Crimson is more scummy than cupcake but cupcake is getting votes so ok."

What


This was cup's response, for reference. I can't derive anything from it, it seems NAI. What do you think?

Seems NAI
by Flake
Sat May 18, 2019 4:53 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

@tfios

are you scum?
by Flake
Sat May 18, 2019 4:33 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

tfiosforevah wrote:I’m okay with either a cupcake Lynch or a crimson lynch, proto zigg should never be lynched at this point in this case since their slot is unreadable at the moment due to inactivity , hopefully a more active player replaces in

As to crimson and cupcake, they have both been actively inactive, crimson moreso than cupcake, by posting barely anything helpful from a townie perspective. IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either

Actually yeah, re-reading I do not like this at all, given cupcake lynch was more likely at time of post

It seems odd for town!tfios to explicitly say "I think crimson is worse than cupcake", and then go on to say "I'm fine with either" regardless

I feel Town would push the lynch they prefer here irrespective of whether the lynch you don't prefer is being pushed more or not
by Flake
Sat May 18, 2019 4:29 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Flake wrote:hm

actually looking at it again, i don't like the tfios post i previously liked, where she talks about preferring a crimson lynch over cupcake lynch

i thought at the time it was converging to a crimson lynch, but it wasn't

that could be mafia!tfios trying to push lynch onto crimson, but hard to tell
by Flake
Sat May 18, 2019 4:17 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

hm

actually looking at it again, i don't like the tfios post i previously liked, where she talks about preferring crimson over cupcake

i thought at the time it was converging to a crimson lynch, but it wasn't

that could be mafia!tfios trying to push lynch onto crimson, but hard to tell
by Flake
Sat May 18, 2019 4:17 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:I know you're townreading chemist, but why not tfios?

i said stuff about tfios at some point in my iso

that stuff still holds, like the opening read and stuff

also i doubt mafia!tfios pushes the idea that killing mafia first over SK is a good idea

also probs mafia!tfios doesn't say this knowing cupcake is mafia:

"IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either"

Since it'd run the risk of making her look bad after crimson green flip



I searched your iso and I disagree. Both on the meta part, though I'm willing to ignore that, and on your other two points. Whether they prefer mafia or SK to die first is irrelevant, they could say whatever as either alignment, especially since it was purely hypothetical discussion. And your point about that quote being too incriminating is ???. It's scummy exactly because it's incriminating

tl;dr "they could"

yes, they COULD, but the point is I don't deem those things likely based on tfios' meta; I don't think she is one to make takes potentially hurting her alignment to some extent when she doesn't need to do so, i don't think she tries to earn towncred in that way as mafia

ebwop
by Flake
Sat May 18, 2019 2:16 am
 
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:I know you're townreading chemist, but why not tfios?

i said stuff about tfios at some point in my iso

that stuff still holds, like the opening read and stuff

also i doubt mafia!tfios pushes the idea that killing mafia first over SK is a good idea

also probs mafia!tfios doesn't say this knowing cupcake is mafia:

"IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either"

Since it'd run the risk of making her look bad after crimson green flip



I searched your iso and I disagree. Both on the meta part, though I'm willing to ignore that, and on your other two points. Whether they prefer mafia or SK to die first is irrelevant, they could say whatever as either alignment, especially since it was purely hypothetical discussion. And your point about that quote being too incriminating is ???. It's scummy exactly because it's incriminating

tl;dr "they could"

yes, they COULD, but the point is I don't deem those things likely based on tfios' meta; I don't think she is one to make takes potentially hurting her alignment to some extent when she doesn't need to do so, i don't think she tries to earn towncred in that way as scum
by Flake
Sat May 18, 2019 2:15 am
 
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