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EvilDeanius0 wrote:Elusivebellend and Gaylork are now canon

Continuing to call me that might be a good way to become Alzar.

I want to see the mafia chat for this game.

ElusiveBelle wrote:I was interested in the game just by the theme, but rolling mafia killed my interest pretty hard and then finding it more and more blatantly town sided killed it even further. Rip, was fun nonetheless but I'd have questions to the balance team from this. Particularly looking at the roles and abilities alone alongside the fake claims.

Everything was just stacked against scum from the get go when looking at the spreadsheets.

Yeah, I noticed town had some powerful shit, was thinking mafia had 5 memberd to counterbalance that.

Only 4 mafia, lol.
Would have been hard for us to lose then.

GG

That's fine, no reason for us to bond anymore anyways.

I was attacked but metrino saved me.
Wabbit perk is as Jalandh described and Wabbit only has 2 frags from Jalandh.


Seems ZSS would be scum from this.

Hmm

metrino wrote:/vote elu

w/e I don't think we're in lylo

We're not, it's just mafia can put in their and win real fuckin quick.
Way quicker than I'm comfortable with.

@Town
Elder, don't bother trying to protect town, attempt to roleblock mafia inside of ZSS, Wabbit, Jalandh.
Jalandh, set your venge kill to ZSS or Wabbit.
ZSS, switch fragments between Wabbit and Evil, metrino, myself, or Non.

We're taking this game home.

Also, I knew he would have to lie, that's why I lied earlier about what my what my perk is, so if he was scum he would likely fall for it and take the easy bait.
Considering he didn't take the bait and the fact he responded way faster than I expected him to, I believe he is entirely town.
Also the fact that his ability didn't interfere with my results or my own ability.

metrino wrote:

metrino wrote:

metrino wrote:hi my name is moon how are you all doing tonight ah yes everyone has been playing a stalled game and we can't even lynch lowposter scum ah yes I forgot that feeling

ah yes, hello moon, nice to meet you too I too have partook in that suffering and continue to walk these lonely threads unable to unwind why thread refuses to make snap decisions to satisfy my need for answers these are struggles in which we may immerse ourselves in together comrade

hi moon! should we join this new wagon? we can be like varanus and hammer. why moon, why would we do that when we are so sure non is scum because moon this is our destiny to revive a dead thread by chatting amoungst ourselves what a great idea moon

Non can't be scum kappa.
(nah he can be, but it's super unlikely, and on such a topic I wouldn't bother trying to save a 3rd rate mafia member)

EvilDeanius0 wrote:@Gaylork
Are you sure that scum aren't told what the town version of the perk they receive would be?

Also:

taylork2 wrote:But the scum version, they're told the number of powerful town PRs on the lynch wagon.

1) This is obviously not a town ability, so even if they weren't told, scum would know they have to lie here.
2) How can you define what a "Powerful PR" is in a role madness game?

Yeah, town and scum are only told their specific version. It specifically states in my results that a town/scum player will only be told about their version, not any others.
I don't know, but I assume that roles like Non(assuming town), Gobln, and maybe Evan wouldn't be considered a Strong Town PR. I can try to find out though real quick.

metrino wrote:i think a large part of how I want to play the game rn conflicts with the nature of the game

I don't really want to care about mechanics, clears, or the shard thingies past "hey I can do things i guess" largely since I haven't been playing this game all day and there hasn't been any wide reason to be engaged with the mechanics when considering where the game sits

yes, so and so can have a clear or a cop on so and so, but when scum is leaking from that corner I find it hard to attempt to tinfoil that claim as true, and I'd much rather prefer to blitz right through the player and lynch them

see, take Taylor's tinfoil of "how elder and I can be scum with a town non". I hate how it reads, with the ingenuine entry of "I actually thought of...", the justification segemented into the second half of the post. content wise, it's a weird note to make. like why would you be discussing such a specific route? it's near tmi but I can't write it off as such due to the environment we're playing in?

I can thus say that I don't care about the content and, factoring in that minimal grasp and care of mechanics, I could happily vote Taylor and still be satisfied with a mislynch since the post in itself is scummy

I do, I like playing with those types of mechanics and I can clearly see that it conflicts with how you like to play.

But the fact of the matter still remains and

metrino wrote:thread is so slow and the major arguments are riding on mechanical cops and clears; there's no reason not to pressure a vote in that vaccum when you know what answer you're going to receive from the active half of the playerlist

Since I know what the answer is, it doesn't really matter then does it? It just comes to a matter of preference then.
My preference is to not vote. You can take that as you want, but I weird behaviors compared to most players.

Here, I'll vote Elusive then, I wanted to be online for when the lynch happened.
I'll unvote in like 15 minutes if you don't.

/vote Elusive

metrino wrote:@taylor honestly thou, why haven't you been voting all day

The place my vote is going will be obvious and I feel like talking and that simply pressuring other players won't help.

metrino wrote:it's because the non wagon is sexy, and I want to lynch him

td;lr over

it basically gives us a good shot at a scum lynch since there has to be more than two scum remaining, and also gives us another night to obtain useless amounts of information

there's also the fact that elu and Jal can't be the stupid witching role so idrc about them; elder is probably no the witch so idrc; other people aren't the witch so idrc, so let's lynch non

mmm, I'd say Jalandh can't be assuming his vengeful isn't a lie.
Players can have up to two abilities so Jalandh probably can't be, but Elusive can. I don't think being roleblocked at night would effect their ability for their day action.

Jalandh wrote:

taylork2 wrote:

Jalandh wrote:

ZSSDistortion wrote:

non271103 wrote:Just thought of something, we've all been set on the idea of 5 scum, but what if there's only 4?

and water is wet. unnecessary wall incoming.

Spoiler: I really hate myself for this kind of speculation however: The setup definitely leans towards only having 4 mafia members. I believe the typical way to determine town members is by taking the number of mafia, multiplying that number by 3 and adding 1 to get town members. So assuming we have 4 mafia and we go by the formula mentioned we'll end up with 13 town, making 17 players in total. You had Monotaro as a miller, the rest of the Monokubs are the mafia and theres 16 students total in DRV3, with 4 of them being fakeclaims for the Monokubs and the remaining 12 being town alongside the miller Monotaro.

I'll say it again. If you think Monokuma is a role in this game, you're wrong. Nothing hints towards him being a role tbh. The rolecards imply that the Monokubs are the only scum faction to exist, and yes whilst the game is bastard it would be reasonable to include a "You may spare anyone else" message or something along those lines to imply the existence of more than just the Mafia.

12 v 5 is also unbalanced from my point of view, especially with a fair amount of the roles seeming kinda unpowerful tbh. Mafia would have too much co-ordination tbh with day-chat on and it wouldn't take long to get to a MyLo/LyLo situation.

tl:dr: yes theres only 4 scum now how about we focus on Elusive/Non with the time we have left tyvm

If we focus on this, then a scum team could be Tay/Non/elder. What are your thoughts about that as a potential team?

Well, if there is only 4 mafia/scum total, then it's impossible for us to be a scum team together and Elusive is scum.
This is due to Elder clearing me, and me clearing non.
Even if Elder is scum, Elusive would still be scum as well due to non's result.

Untrue. Non would be scum and easily planned out to lie. If non is scum, he would have no reason to tell the truth.

How would non be scum?
Elder's given a clear on myself, and I've given a clear on Non. There should be no way for Non to have known what my perk was beforehand, scum(and town for that matter) are only told one version of that perk, and I've also ability cleared non(as in his prank doesn't affect normal results, nor does the stated action occur).
Can you explain how Non could be scum in greater detail?


I actually though of a way that Elder and I could be scum, but it would still require Non to a town member to have been tricked into believing Elusive is scum. (Elder fake clears me, I use my ability to see my own perks and do my rant to set up a fake scum trap for Non, Non is convinced I'm town and Elusive is scum).

taylork2 wrote:

Jalandh wrote:

ZSSDistortion wrote:

non271103 wrote:Just thought of something, we've all been set on the idea of 5 scum, but what if there's only 4?

and water is wet. unnecessary wall incoming.

Spoiler: I really hate myself for this kind of speculation however: The setup definitely leans towards only having 4 mafia members. I believe the typical way to determine town members is by taking the number of mafia, multiplying that number by 3 and adding 1 to get town members. So assuming we have 4 mafia and we go by the formula mentioned we'll end up with 13 town, making 17 players in total. You had Monotaro as a miller, the rest of the Monokubs are the mafia and theres 16 students total in DRV3, with 4 of them being fakeclaims for the Monokubs and the remaining 12 being town alongside the miller Monotaro.

I'll say it again. If you think Monokuma is a role in this game, you're wrong. Nothing hints towards him being a role tbh. The rolecards imply that the Monokubs are the only scum faction to exist, and yes whilst the game is bastard it would be reasonable to include a "You may spare anyone else" message or something along those lines to imply the existence of more than just the Mafia.

12 v 5 is also unbalanced from my point of view, especially with a fair amount of the roles seeming kinda unpowerful tbh. Mafia would have too much co-ordination tbh with day-chat on and it wouldn't take long to get to a MyLo/LyLo situation.

tl:dr: yes theres only 4 scum now how about we focus on Elusive/Non with the time we have left tyvm

If we focus on this, then a scum team could be Tay/Non/elder. What are your thoughts about that as a potential team?

Well, if there is only 4 mafia/scum total, then it's impossible for us to be a scum team together and Elusive is scum.
This is due to Elder clearing me, and me clearing non.
Even if Elder is scum, Elusive would still be scum as well due to non's result.

Wait I take this back, there's the possiblity that Elder and I are scum and he fakecleared me and then I decided to do this whole charade with stopping us from lynching Jalandh and him from shooting non for...some reason?

Jalandh wrote:

ZSSDistortion wrote:

non271103 wrote:Just thought of something, we've all been set on the idea of 5 scum, but what if there's only 4?

and water is wet. unnecessary wall incoming.

Spoiler: I really hate myself for this kind of speculation however: The setup definitely leans towards only having 4 mafia members. I believe the typical way to determine town members is by taking the number of mafia, multiplying that number by 3 and adding 1 to get town members. So assuming we have 4 mafia and we go by the formula mentioned we'll end up with 13 town, making 17 players in total. You had Monotaro as a miller, the rest of the Monokubs are the mafia and theres 16 students total in DRV3, with 4 of them being fakeclaims for the Monokubs and the remaining 12 being town alongside the miller Monotaro.

I'll say it again. If you think Monokuma is a role in this game, you're wrong. Nothing hints towards him being a role tbh. The rolecards imply that the Monokubs are the only scum faction to exist, and yes whilst the game is bastard it would be reasonable to include a "You may spare anyone else" message or something along those lines to imply the existence of more than just the Mafia.

12 v 5 is also unbalanced from my point of view, especially with a fair amount of the roles seeming kinda unpowerful tbh. Mafia would have too much co-ordination tbh with day-chat on and it wouldn't take long to get to a MyLo/LyLo situation.

tl:dr: yes theres only 4 scum now how about we focus on Elusive/Non with the time we have left tyvm

If we focus on this, then a scum team could be Tay/Non/elder. What are your thoughts about that as a potential team?

Well, if there is only 4 mafia/scum total, then it's impossible for us to be a scum team together and Elusive is scum.
This is due to Elder clearing me, and me clearing non.
Even if Elder is scum, Elusive would still be scum as well due to non's result.

Jalandh wrote:

ElderSivart wrote:I don't understand the wagon on non.
The only way he could be mafia is if non, taylor, and I are all mafia. Taylor, through her results, is vouching for non being town, and I'm vouching for taylor to be nonmafia.
From an outside perspective even taylor would be a better wagon than non.

I honestly agree. Taylor was also against my shot on Non.

I was actually thinking the same thing earlier, but then I started thinking that if I was mafia I could theoretically be pulling this with a town Non so that he was lynched and flipped town everyone would be like, ahh, Taylor's totally town, but then secretly I wouldn't be town.
But if I was lynched everyone would be like "non's totally scum too" and then I'd have created a mislynch.
But I think all t effort as scum just wouldn't be worth it compared to just staying quiet.

If you're wanting to know why I was against non shot with a Jalandh lynch was because I wasn't certain either was scum and as that could have left 3 town dead and would have probably been a loss.
The possibility that the town could have lost right then was entirely unacceptable and I stand by my earlier statements on this.


Also something else I don't get is why not kill one of Evil/metrino, like they ha've a private chat together in which they coordinate and considering how much they don't actually discuss in thread I don't get why the mafia didn't kill them first. It kinda really pisses me off that the mafia wouldn't kill them. I'd have to guess it has to do with who they were each suspecting and allowing them to continue the way they were heading.

ZSSDistortion wrote:/unvote

no early hammers thanks

Thank you for doing so.

TheWabbit wrote:i'm not getting any of these odd mechanics

so taylork checks the different perks their target gives???????
then you get to know if they have frags they're not supposed to have and stuff?

what

TheWabbit wrote:it feels too complex ngl
also feels too convenient

taylork2 wrote:First the town version
Then the scum version

Last I am told their fragments they have from each player*

That's all I'm told each night I successfully visit a player.

Doesn't mention that players have two different version on my rolecard though, that's why I had my whole spasm over ZSS and the "makeup" the next day.

metrino wrote:if team is Taylor/jal, there's still another member

if team is wabbit/elu or elu/other shitters, there's still another scum

wow, I wonder what non is

Non’s some shitter prankster role that doesn’t even hide results. I thought he could have been scum earlier due to him targeting FML and giving a witch control results, but he definately didn’t transport me last night.

Jalandh wrote:

taylork2 wrote:

EvilDeanius0 wrote:How do you know what the town/scum versions of your perks are.

I am informed upon visiting a player.

First the town version
Then the scum version

Last I am told their fragments.


I am informed of their perks and fragments like this even if they are both the same, such as Elder's.
I am not informed of the perks name or how many fragments are needed, but I have a theory the max for every perk is 3.

It's ausible that only players with perks that specify players of an alignment have actuay different versions.
It's possible only players with natural investigative abilities have different versions.

Paraphrase your ability as best as you can as you were given

Each night I can use my fantastic magic(that’s only drawing a card out of a deck) on someone else to learn what their relationship perk is and how many fragments they have from each player.



Fuck my life, I have a power outage and my phone is fried, I’ll see what I can do today.

EvilDeanius0 wrote:How do you know what the town/scum versions of your perks are.

I am informed upon visiting a player.

First the town version
Then the scum version

Last I am told their fragments.


I am informed of their perks and fragments like this even if they are both the same, such as Elder's.
I am not informed of the perks name or how many fragments are needed, but I have a theory the max for every perk is 3.

It's ausible that only players with perks that specify players of an alignment have actuay different versions.
It's possible only players with natural investigative abilities have different versions.

No, not proof. Evidence.
Evidence can be faked or real. Given by town or scum.
If Elder was dead and flipped town, then I'd say that's proof I can't be mafia.

Jalandh wrote:

taylork2 wrote:

Jalandh wrote:

taylork2 wrote:That's right, what I said before was fake.

In fact, since he got it so fucking quick, I don't think he's mafia at all.

Alright, let me explain.
When I checked Elder yesterday, what I found out was that everyone has two different versions of their perk. One is for town, and one is for scum.
Unfortunately with Elder's perk, I was told that scum and town get the same thing.

However with my own, the town version is non says.
But the scum version, they're told the number of powerful town PRs on the lynch wagon.

If there is a mafia chat then I think this could be fake. Planned it all out to try to frame Elusive. He already explained his perk earlier and Non didnt seem to surprised that it was different then how Taylor explained it. Who did you check day 1?

I tried to check Evan but was roleblocked by Elder.

...and Elder used the Sheriff check on you to confirm you didnt he?

No, he used a perk that allowed him to see the last target a dead player visited.

Now on the theory that I am covering for my scumbuddies, no.
My meta from all almost all my previous games is that I throw my allies under the lynch as I see fit. I take no risks about lying to fake confirm them.

Jalandh wrote:

taylork2 wrote:That's right, what I said before was fake.

In fact, since he got it so fucking quick, I don't think he's mafia at all.

Alright, let me explain.
When I checked Elder yesterday, what I found out was that everyone has two different versions of their perk. One is for town, and one is for scum.
Unfortunately with Elder's perk, I was told that scum and town get the same thing.

However with my own, the town version is non says.
But the scum version, they're told the number of powerful town PRs on the lynch wagon.

If there is a mafia chat then I think this could be fake. Planned it all out to try to frame Elusive. He already explained his perk earlier and Non didnt seem to surprised that it was different then how Taylor explained it. Who did you check day 1?

I tried to check Evan but was roleblocked by Elder.

Jalandh wrote:Do mafia have a day chat?

Look at OP under setup.

Almost forgot something wow, the list of shit I knew and wrote up for helping to choose my target.



EvilDenius0- Unknown/Known by metrino

Soulshader- NA

TheWabbit- T?S? Loved

FMLSheWas12- Unk/Known by FML

ZSSDistortion- T?S? Last action dead check

TeamMystic- NA

EvanMan^3- T? S? Double vote partner

taylork2- Unknown

realMandingo- Unknown

ElderSivart- Both: Lynch immune/bulletproof

Jalandh- T:Dayvig S?

ElusiveBelle- Unknown

Non- T?S? Invisible vote

KingoftheRocks- NA/Known by FML

TiltedComedian- T?S? Headsman vote

metrino- T: Known by Evil S?

Gobln- NA