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ChamAlien wrote:

non271103 wrote:1. I am not Vigilante.
2. Menace, why would Evan scum read me if he was scum? He knows who scum is and he has no reason to bus them. He even puts me on the same level Lynch as Claudia, who was town.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT SCUM has CHOSEN THE TRAITOR TRAIT

ChamAlien wrote:/vote uzayaltay

Non, what are your scumreads?

Fenraiser wrote:

non271103 wrote:

Fenraiser wrote:
@Non
Just to make it clear, and this is what everyone wants to know, what made you think that the flip of either me or desert would be alignment indicative of the other's alignment? Connection? POE? Tell me.

Right, so I guess I didn’t explain this well. So my thought is your reads on desert seems genuine. So if desert flips scum, it will be likely that you’re town. But if he flips town, I will still hold my reads which is that you’re scum.

Kinda weird but I kinda get it. So, your reasoning on me is conditional on the flip not because of association but the apparent genuineness of my read on Desert, not really bad, and your read on me doesn't change if Desert flips scum.

MafiaMenace wrote:

non271103 wrote:

ChamAlien wrote:I read everything and I think it is uzay/rhawkeye
Maybe Evan


First 2 players are more active when they are town and I know that rhawkeye has a lurky scum meta, their post about what mafia would choose seemd weird idk
also uzays town meta has more posts like in 14D he had mant posts at first pages but in this game he appears very rarely

Evan had 2 TR's from first post and he led a lynch on desert, Im not really sure about him but I dont have good feelings

Also this game needs more activity so Ill do something after I check something

Pedit: why would it be non and poly?

I like this post, Cham could’ve easily sheeped either mine or poly’s wagon, but they didn't, making their own reads.
My read on Cham is town.

Thanks for telling us that if you flip scum cham is susp.

Fenraiser wrote:
@Non
Just to make it clear, and this is what everyone wants to know, what made you think that the flip of either me or desert would be alignment indicative of the other's alignment? Connection? POE? Tell me.

ChamAlien wrote:I read everything and I think it is uzay/rhawkeye
Maybe Evan


First 2 players are more active when they are town and I know that rhawkeye has a lurky scum meta, their post about what mafia would choose seemd weird idk
also uzays town meta has more posts like in 14D he had mant posts at first pages but in this game he appears very rarely

Evan had 2 TR's from first post and he led a lynch on desert, Im not really sure about him but I dont have good feelings

Also this game needs more activity so Ill do something after I check something

Pedit: why would it be non and poly?

EvanManManMan wrote:

non271103 wrote:

Jamezbeast wrote:After doing a little bit of digging though non's games I noticed a few things, which are kinda contradictory. (FYI, bolded yellow parts in quotes are stuff I have bolded to emphasise.)

The main thing I noticed is that scum non kinda tries to make their posts (especially readlists and the like) look more useful then they actually are.

Case in point:

non271103: NFM 53, blackmailer wrote:This is a VCA (Vote Count Analysis). For those who don't know, this is a type of read which relies on finding scum based mostly on voting patterns.

khakha1036|7|MafiaMenace,JoltikIsDubby,TheNightmareFox,gabby100,cupcakeaj2,Blackwolfe99,basedblue3
TheNightmareFox|1|pinkkittyprincess
MafiaMenace|1|Exacerbated
Jamezbeast|1|Jamezbeast

So there isn't much info from yesterdays vote, but this was the most significant one, the final votes. From this, I think there is at least 1 scum on khakha's wagon, she is locked to be lynched yesterday so scum, by voting, can get easy towncred. So I want to lynch within {Mafmen,Joltik,TNF,gabby,cupcake,Blackwolfe,baseblue} today.

non271103 wrote:Okay, we're more than half a day in, we should figure out who to lynch today.
Here are my reads so far
{Jamez,Gabby}
{eeel, Evan}
{Titled, teaser, Claudia, Hawkeye, Uzay, Desert} Null Line
{Fen}

Titled - 1 post so far, needs to post more. Null
Jamez - Town slipped on his first post and helpful Town
Fen - His main posts are about 1)Angleshooting (NAI) 2)Jamez experience which I don't like him asking about because it felt very random. Slight Scum
Evan - Quite helpful, like other games I've been in with him. I don't know if that carries over to scum!.Evan though. Slight Town
Teaser - 3 posts, nothing much. Null
eeel - My gut is saying that eeel's question won't come from scum, although I wouldn't bet on it. Slight Town
Non - Scummiest person here for obvious reasons Scum
Claudia - 4 posts, can't read much into them. Null
Hawkeye - 1 post. Null
gabby - First post was a town slip, nothing else AI in her ISO. Town
Uzay - Nothing much, Argument with Evan takes up like 80% of his ISO. Null
Desert - 3 posts, should post more. Null

So maybe I'm reading too much into town slips but I doubt gabby and jamez planned those out before hand. I am also pretty confident in eeel and Evan not being scum. So I think all 3 scums are in Null + Fen. But don't trust my shitty reads too much.

Both posts kinda feign ignorance (shitty reads, not much info etc) which seems to be a part of their scum meta, they try to make their reads appear useful, yet also kinda distance themselves from them and actively lowering their "usefulness" to others.

So, I can understand and get behind a non lynch, this does appear to be more like non's scum meta.

/vote non

I say my reads are shitty every time I do them since they are, so stop cherry picking from my scum games lol.

So instead of calling them bad and leaving it you should attempt to improve.

non271103 wrote:

MafiaMenace wrote:

non271103 wrote:

RHawkeye wrote:SP.

/vote non

"I'm scumreading Fen but I want a flip on Desert, who I am null reading, to make my mind up about Fen despite having never stated a connection between them previously"?
That isn't logical progression.

Second time you voted me without any reasoning.

Hawkeye gave their reasoning.

If she did later on I haven’t caught up to that yet.

EvanManManMan wrote:

Jamezbeast wrote:I still think non vs Claudia might be SvS seeing as Claudia threw shade on non without actively trying to push for a lynch, but saying that, why doesnt non/Evan make any sense? Non seems to always defend their scumbuddies, even if it's not the best option. So, I wouldn't rule out non/Claudia or non/Evan.


Also, nobody is speaking about poly's slot, I'd like to see a LOT more of them seeing as their predecessor was very scummy, if they don't pull something out of the hat soon, I think they should be our lynch tomorrow.

When did Non defend me, or anybody for that matter?

MafiaMenace wrote:

MafiaMenace wrote:

non271103 wrote:

MafiaMenace wrote:

non271103 wrote:

MafiaMenace wrote:

non271103 wrote:

MafiaMenace wrote:WAIT WAIT.

I scumread non in TFM63, but only for minutes.

After NFM51, my overall reads on non are always correct.

By minutes you mean 2 in game days..

no, not 2.
You know if I really scumread you I would have tunneled you by then.

It was mid D1 to somewhere around D2.

Anyways, I don't even know my town meta, so if you know it, mind explaining?

I'll do scum instead since you seem to have a scumroll streak going for you.

As scum, you are a lot more careful with the way you choose things, you pipe in for easy towncred, and barely ever have a scumread, more so null than anything.

Rolled town 4 times in a row now, so I wouldn’t call that a scum roll streak.
I would agree on my scum meta, but my reads has a lot of null because it was done with only 4 pages of content, most of them memeing.

I hope you meant twice not 4 times.

@non

Jamezbeast wrote:After doing a little bit of digging though non's games I noticed a few things, which are kinda contradictory. (FYI, bolded yellow parts in quotes are stuff I have bolded to emphasise.)

The main thing I noticed is that scum non kinda tries to make their posts (especially readlists and the like) look more useful then they actually are.

Case in point:

non271103: NFM 53, blackmailer wrote:This is a VCA (Vote Count Analysis). For those who don't know, this is a type of read which relies on finding scum based mostly on voting patterns.

khakha1036|7|MafiaMenace,JoltikIsDubby,TheNightmareFox,gabby100,cupcakeaj2,Blackwolfe99,basedblue3
TheNightmareFox|1|pinkkittyprincess
MafiaMenace|1|Exacerbated
Jamezbeast|1|Jamezbeast

So there isn't much info from yesterdays vote, but this was the most significant one, the final votes. From this, I think there is at least 1 scum on khakha's wagon, she is locked to be lynched yesterday so scum, by voting, can get easy towncred. So I want to lynch within {Mafmen,Joltik,TNF,gabby,cupcake,Blackwolfe,baseblue} today.

non271103 wrote:Okay, we're more than half a day in, we should figure out who to lynch today.
Here are my reads so far
{Jamez,Gabby}
{eeel, Evan}
{Titled, teaser, Claudia, Hawkeye, Uzay, Desert} Null Line
{Fen}

Titled - 1 post so far, needs to post more. Null
Jamez - Town slipped on his first post and helpful Town
Fen - His main posts are about 1)Angleshooting (NAI) 2)Jamez experience which I don't like him asking about because it felt very random. Slight Scum
Evan - Quite helpful, like other games I've been in with him. I don't know if that carries over to scum!.Evan though. Slight Town
Teaser - 3 posts, nothing much. Null
eeel - My gut is saying that eeel's question won't come from scum, although I wouldn't bet on it. Slight Town
Non - Scummiest person here for obvious reasons Scum
Claudia - 4 posts, can't read much into them. Null
Hawkeye - 1 post. Null
gabby - First post was a town slip, nothing else AI in her ISO. Town
Uzay - Nothing much, Argument with Evan takes up like 80% of his ISO. Null
Desert - 3 posts, should post more. Null

So maybe I'm reading too much into town slips but I doubt gabby and jamez planned those out before hand. I am also pretty confident in eeel and Evan not being scum. So I think all 3 scums are in Null + Fen. But don't trust my shitty reads too much.

Both posts kinda feign ignorance (shitty reads, not much info etc) which seems to be a part of their scum meta, they try to make their reads appear useful, yet also kinda distance themselves from them and actively lowering their "usefulness" to others.

So, I can understand and get behind a non lynch, this does appear to be more like non's scum meta.

/vote non

MafiaMenace wrote:

non271103 wrote:

RHawkeye wrote:SP.

/vote non

"I'm scumreading Fen but I want a flip on Desert, who I am null reading, to make my mind up about Fen despite having never stated a connection between them previously"?
That isn't logical progression.

Second time you voted me without any reasoning.

Hawkeye gave their reasoning.

EvanManManMan wrote:@non can you reply to my post

And Menace, why do you always follow me with wagons? You give your own reasoning but I see you following my trail more often than not

RHawkeye wrote:SP.

/vote non

"I'm scumreading Fen but I want a flip on Desert, who I am null reading, to make my mind up about Fen despite having never stated a connection between them previously"?
That isn't logical progression.

MafiaMenace wrote:

non271103 wrote:

MafiaMenace wrote:

non271103 wrote:

MafiaMenace wrote:WAIT WAIT.

I scumread non in TFM63, but only for minutes.

After NFM51, my overall reads on non are always correct.

By minutes you mean 2 in game days..

no, not 2.
You know if I really scumread you I would have tunneled you by then.

It was mid D1 to somewhere around D2.

Anyways, I don't even know my town meta, so if you know it, mind explaining?

I'll do scum instead since you seem to have a scumroll streak going for you.

As scum, you are a lot more careful with the way you choose things, you pipe in for easy towncred, and barely ever have a scumread, more so null than anything.

MafiaMenace wrote:

non271103 wrote:

MafiaMenace wrote:WAIT WAIT.

I scumread non in TFM63, but only for minutes.

After NFM51, my overall reads on non are always correct.

By minutes you mean 2 in game days..

no, not 2.
You know if I really scumread you I would have tunneled you by then.

MafiaMenace wrote:Non - Slight Scum/Pretty Scummy
Spoiler:

non271103 wrote:Read through the first page, seems like jamez and gabby town slipped. I feel like those are genuine slips too.

non271103 wrote:

Fenraiser wrote:

non271103 wrote:Read through the first page, seems like jamez and gabby town slipped. I feel like those are genuine slips too.

How does the Gabby slip translate to a town slip? I feel that their entrance is genuine as well, but I don't think that automatically translates to a town slip.

Her first post makes me feel that she has just received her role. Town would have not know their role before rcs were sent out, but mafia would already know their role beforehand before hand.

non271103 wrote:Jamez - Town slipped on his first post and helpful Town
gabby - First post was a town slip, nothing else AI in her ISO. Town

A good bit of non's posts are for the "Jamez/gabby townslip," maybe just for easy towncred.
Either way I don't like it.My reads are correct at least. Do you think scum!me would give out town members so easily?

non271103 wrote:Okay, we're more than half a day in, we should figure out who to lynch today.
Here are my reads so far
{Jamez,Gabby}
{eeel, Evan}
{Titled, teaser, Claudia, Hawkeye, Uzay, Desert} Null Line
{Fen}

Titled - 1 post so far, needs to post more. Null
Jamez - Town slipped on his first post and helpful Town
Fen - His main posts are about 1)Angleshooting (NAI) 2)Jamez experience which I don't like him asking about because it felt very random. Slight Scum
Evan - Quite helpful, like other games I've been in with him. I don't know if that carries over to scum!.Evan though. Slight Town
Teaser - 3 posts, nothing much. Null
eeel - My gut is saying that eeel's question won't come from scum, although I wouldn't bet on it. Slight Town
Non - Scummiest person here for obvious reasons Scum
Claudia - 4 posts, can't read much into them. Null
Hawkeye - 1 post. Null
gabby - First post was a town slip, nothing else AI in her ISO. Town
Uzay - Nothing much, Argument with Evan takes up like 80% of his ISO. Null
Desert - 3 posts, should post more. Null

So maybe I'm reading too much into town slips but I doubt gabby and jamez planned those out before hand. I am also pretty confident in eeel and Evan not being scum. So I think all 3 scums are in Null + Fen. But don't trust my shitty reads too much.

Lots of null reads in his list, you should atleast be able to give gut reads or smth. Meh, gut reads on inactive means nothing anyways.
Maybe 1 post stands out, because for example, Claudia does give good sized posts, there has to be smth there.

Non says Fen is slight scum, with a null read on Desert, but chooses Desert over Fen? Anyone wonder why? I said scum is probably in Fen+my null reads, so since people were in favor of lynching Desert more, and he is a null read of mine so I have no problems with that.

non271103 wrote:Right, been busy for the whole day, expect a multi-post catchup

Where did that bit go?
It turned out to be only the 1 post after that. aka I didn't finish catching up.


Off topic:
Spoiler:

non271103 wrote:*gets NFM53 flashbacks*

/vote Jamezbeast

You were scum that game as well. Should I have to take this as a hint?

non271103 wrote:

Fenraiser wrote:

non271103 wrote:Read through the first page, seems like jamez and gabby town slipped. I feel like those are genuine slips too.

How does the Gabby slip translate to a town slip? I feel that their entrance is genuine as well, but I don't think that automatically translates to a town slip.

Her first post makes me feel that she has just received her role. Town would have not know their role before rcs were sent out, but mafia would already know their role beforehand before hand.

psure this is angleshooting right here non. whoops

non271103 wrote:Non - Scummiest person here for obvious reasons [color=#BF4000]Scum

I believe you.

MafiaMenace wrote:WAIT WAIT.

I scumread non in TFM63, but only for minutes.

After NFM51, my overall reads on non are always correct.

MafiaMenace wrote:I feel I am pretty good at reading non.
Because after NFM51 I knew his townmeta pretty well, so I have been scumreading him in every game since then, and I have been right.
He thinks I just scumread him no matter what, but that's false.

Lemme build something up on him.