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polypies73 wrote:hawk is definitely a good lynch as i see it. his town meta would have more posts and better quality one's at that.

In what way is the quality of my posts lacking? You're just sheeping Fen and throwing shade here.

non271103 wrote:I’m susp of Fen now. Evan was the reason I took my suspicion off of Fen the first place. Now why would he be doing that if Fen was scum?

Would like others intake on this.

Explain the connection? With quotes, preferably.

polypies73 wrote:Would also probably be dead now tbh.

Why would mafia kill me when I'm not being generally townread?

Fenraiser wrote:I'm going to lynch all other town power claims except the vigilante tbh because only the vigilante/innocent child can confirm themselves as town and the others cannot. So if there are other town power claims they should claim right now.
[snip]
Any town power should legit claim right now.

You've literally just said you'll lynch PR claims and proceeded to ask them to claim?
Vig shouldn't actually claim unless they're going to be lynched, and we shouldn't be trying to narrow down who they are either.

UzayAltay wrote:Rhawkeye: Same as Non , he is saying his opinions sometimes , but should give a general read list .
- Slight Scum

You could sarcastically plaster ORIGINAL CONTENT DO NOT STEAL all over this.
I've provided my scum PoE pool, that tells you who I think it town and who I think it scum.
This read is a clear sheep.

Gonna do a reread with Evan's flip in mind.

Ugh, my gut says non is scum too.

/vote Claudia

ClaudiaM25 wrote:

non271103 wrote:I’m not a big fan of lynching Claudia but it seems it’s either me or her. And I know I’m town.
/vote Claudia
If Claudia flips town, Vig must shoot tonight. Remember that tomorrow we are at MyLo if there isn’t a vig.

If this is the only reason why you vote against me, at least vote for the one that U consider scum and state it if u are a townie.

Claudia not considering scum!non voting to get a ml here actually feels a bit tmi

non271103 wrote:I’m not a big fan of lynching Claudia but it seems it’s either me or her. And I know I’m town.
/vote Claudia
If Claudia flips town, Vig must shoot tonight. Remember that tomorrow we are at MyLo if there isn’t a vig.

Thoughts on non not mentioning poly at all here? Possibly evidence for non + poly scum team?

EvanManManMan wrote:

ClaudiaM25 wrote:

Fenraiser wrote:It seems that the general consensus for a scum team is in {Claudia, Non, Poly}. Interesting that it's been narrowed down to just three, though I doubt that they're all scum.

You are wrong, my friend, don't say I didn't told you so in the end....

RHawkeye wrote:

Fenraiser wrote:Better yet, let's do a F3 simulator.

So, here's how it goes. Three people are chosen (usually scummy people), and they're going to play as if they're the only people in the game, and that there is one scum left in between them. Then they will play the game pitted against just 3 of them and try to lynch to find scum inside them.

Usually, whoever is lynched in the F3 simulator will be the one to be lynched in real game. Depends, but since it's early and these three people are the main candidates, I say it will be useful to have them argue and decide who would be lynched.

Say aye in italics if you are in agreement.

I'm not sure I see the merit in this but that might just be because I'm so tired. Why restrict their arguments to only each other, when from their pov if they are town they know at least one scum exists outside of the two they're arguing against?

I like u! Finally someone who doesn't want to narrow viewpoints and limit their opinions...

non271103 wrote:Also, I’m aye with the F3 simulator. My only problem is if that my, Claudia and poly is in it, there is a chance that Claudia and poly are a scum team and will try and lynch me.

Nope, not really, If i were scum, i would get rid of people who start poking everyone and active scumhunt, so u would be safe ))

The bolded part has a bad tone and gives me some vibes of buddying. You and Claudia being in agreement on the F3 simulator kinda puts you in a negative light, as nobody else felt this way.

I didn't oppose the F3 simulator.
Do you think the point I brought up lacks merit?
Why, if we were a scum team, would we need to buddy? Ime buddying rarely happens between mafia members.

non271103 wrote:

Fenraiser wrote:
@Non
Just to make it clear, and this is what everyone wants to know, what made you think that the flip of either me or desert would be alignment indicative of the other's alignment? Connection? POE? Tell me.

Right, so I guess I didn’t explain this well. So my thought is your reads on desert seems genuine. So if desert flips scum, it will be likely that you’re town. But if he flips town, I will still hold my reads which is that you’re scum.

How does "your scum read on them seems genuine" lead to "but you're probably scum if they're town"??

This is Cham's town meta btw.

Fenraiser wrote:

RHawkeye wrote:I think the only scenario Claudia/non is SvS is if non is an unrecruited traitor tbh.

Rhawkeye do you still think this?

Honestly there are only a few players I could see shading a scum buddy the way Claudia did non d1, and I could see those players doing it only because they really know what they're doing.
tl;dr yes

Evan can you explain your thought about me and Claudia being scum together?

Okay, I've never heard of it or seen it before but I don't see the harm in trying it for part of the phase at least.

Aye.

Fenraiser wrote:Better yet, let's do a F3 simulator.

So, here's how it goes. Three people are chosen (usually scummy people), and they're going to play as if they're the only people in the game, and that there is one scum left in between them. Then they will play the game pitted against just 3 of them and try to lynch to find scum inside them.

Usually, whoever is lynched in the F3 simulator will be the one to be lynched in real game. Depends, but since it's early and these three people are the main candidates, I say it will be useful to have them argue and decide who would be lynched.

Say aye in italics if you are in agreement.

I'm not sure I see the merit in this but that might just be because I'm so tired. Why restrict their arguments to only each other, when from their pov if they are town they know at least one scum exists outside of the two they're arguing against?

Hey Cham :]

polypies73 wrote:

Jamezbeast wrote:I still think non vs Claudia might be SvS seeing as Claudia threw shade on non without actively trying to push for a lynch, but saying that, why doesnt non/Evan make any sense? Non seems to always defend their scumbuddies, even if it's not the best option. So, I wouldn't rule out non/Claudia or non/Evan.


Also, nobody is speaking about poly's slot, I'd like to see a LOT more of them seeing as their predecessor was very scummy, if they don't pull something out of the hat soon, I think they should be our lynch tomorrow.

first of all it's teaser's slot no my slot. i am the player in game now.
secondly, basing a person on their predecessor is not a good idea.
thirdly, predicting tomorrow's lynch and stuff like that isn't going to get you anywhere.

Are you arguing that teaser's actions are not indicative of your slot? Obviously we can't expect you to explain the things teaser did, but you can't expect us to give your slot a clean slate just because you replaced in.

Fenraiser wrote:Poly, quick reads pls, no explanation needed.

Rhawkeye, you too.

I'm thinking scum is in {poly, Cham, non, Claudia, Uzay} atm by PoE. I should be able to get a better read on eeel's slot from Cham since I'm more familiar with their play. I'm going to do a reread later too.
What do you think of poly and non being scum together btw?

Spoiler:

MafiaMenace wrote:Hawkeye - Gut null, info null.

RHawkeye wrote:Howdy folks

teaser303 wrote:

Fenraiser wrote:

Jamezbeast wrote:

Fenraiser wrote:Jamezbeast, how many games have you played, and how much of them were NFMs?

Is this an OMGUS :I?

Why do you think this is an OMGUS?

That's kind of a loaded question for the first page.

I don't like this. We're playing FM from the first page.

Jamezbeast wrote:It's fine, it was late and I was kinda stressing, hence the bad reaction.

The self-awareness of this pings me a bit.

The part about Jamez makes 0 sense, He was saying he was tired and stressing so he lashed out a bit.
I see nothing wrong with it.
That could just be me being a noob and all, but it's odd.

RHawkeye wrote:L-5 isn't close to a hammer.

Desert, can you clarify something for me? When you said you didn't know what traitor does were you referring to the traitor role, or to the traitor modification?

Evan mentioned plurality in that post that Hawkeye is referencing here, it's just like Hawkeye was trying to get more votes on Desert for an easy ml.
People may not see that here, because it could be an honest mistake.

Jamez's self awareness there is in saying they had a bad reaction. Jamez hasn't done anything that's pinged me since.
The L-5 part was in response to eeel saying "can we not hammer" when the lead wagon had 2 votes on it.

Are you null reading me because nothing stands out to you as AI about my posts so far, or because you think there's a balance that means I could go either way?

ClaudiaM25 wrote:

Jamezbeast wrote:So, what's everyones opinion on the poly/teaser slot?


To me, poly has done nothing of note.

Teaser came out to me as scum because they heavily defended me after fen's post which felt kinda unnecessary and almost as if they were tying to buddy me, which really gives me a scumlean, so unless poly does something drastic I feel this should be tomorrows lynch.

Teaser and Poly are different persons, I wouldnt go for Poly just because of Teaser...

They're different players, yes, but it's the same slot. Both are playing to that slot's wincon, so both players' actions are indicative with respect to the slot.

Thoughts on poly and non being scum together, anyone?

Jamezbeast wrote:So, what's everyones opinion on the poly/teaser slot?


To me, poly has done nothing of note.

Teaser came out to me as scum because they heavily defended me after fen's post which felt kinda unnecessary and almost as if they were tying to buddy me, which really gives me a scumlean, so unless poly does something drastic I feel this should be tomorrows lynch.

I have the same thoughts as when I previously mentioned them, for the most part.
Some of poly's posts are weird - they say they're going to show why they think Claudia is scummy, but then look like they're actually giving Claudia advice ("you are allowed to defend people" etc), call the post bad and unnecessary, but don't explain why they think it's a scummy post. They also specified *posts* they found scummy from Claudia, but only one quoted the one.

I don't like this post

polypies73 wrote:

RHawkeye wrote:Honestly I kinda wanna lynch poly's slot because of teaser.
They came into the thread shading Fen and trying to shut down discussion and continued to do so in their next 2 posts.

:Thinking:

Do I not get to meme when I come into game. Lol wut is this shade on Fen as well.

Because I was clearly talking about teaser but they tried to make it look like I was scumreading the slot because of poly's own behavior.

MafiaMenace wrote:Hawkeye, I just pointed it out to non that he hasn't done it yet, it has nothing to do with my read.

Fair enough, it was included in your wall explaining the scum read so I assumed it was related to the read.

EvanManManMan wrote:

RHawkeye wrote:SP.

/vote non

"I'm scumreading Fen but I want a flip on Desert, who I am null reading, to make my mind up about Fen despite having never stated a connection between them previously"?
That isn't logical progression.

What are your thoughts on me and Menace's reads on Non?

I can't say much about Menace's meta-read, I've played with non only once so I'm not very familiar with their meta. I don't think Menace's point about non not doing their multi-post catchup is particularly scum indicative, but maybe that's meta related. Similar with the talk about townslips. Maybe if gabby hadn't died I could see non insisting something was a townslip to cover a scumbuddy, but I think it's generally NAI.
I think your theory about the NK definitely has merit.
We all seem to agree on the Desert/Fen thing though, and honestly that's the biggest red flag for me. As I've said, it isn't logical progression to lynch the null read to get a better read on the scum read, particularly when no connection between the two was made prior.

Reading through Menace's case made me think a bit more about this post from non:

non271103 wrote:

Fenraiser wrote:

non271103 wrote:Read through the first page, seems like jamez and gabby town slipped. I feel like those are genuine slips too.

How does the Gabby slip translate to a town slip? I feel that their entrance is genuine as well, but I don't think that automatically translates to a town slip.

Her first post makes me feel that she has just received her role. Town would have not know their role before rcs were sent out, but mafia would already know their role beforehand before hand.

I didn't think much of it when it was posted, but looking back I think it feels quite self-aware.

@Macca if the traitor was recruited will they still flip as traitor?

Menace is pretty villa

UzayAltay wrote:

Jamezbeast wrote:Sorry for the lack of posts, I'll get that up. I've been pretty ill over the last few days.

It is interesting that Claudia throws shade on non under the guise of "female intuition", but if you could explain it, I'd understand a little more.

Note: non's read on Claudia (whilst very old) is pure null, obviously this was before Claudia's post about scumreading non.

Also, Rhawk, I'd like to hear an explanation on the non vote. I understand MM's scumread, especially now non does seem quite defensive about it, switching to a tone similar to when they were being pushed on in NFM 53.

Also, a question open to anyone: Do you think Claudia vs Non could be SvS?

I think my main scumread rn is poly's slot, (based on Teaser) because to me teaser's posts seemed like he was trying to buddy me, which I really don't like, but hey, as VFM 26 showed me, you can't judge a replacement by it's predecessor.

I can't see a Claudia v Non. Non had 5-6 nullread on Day 1, which includes Claudia . Claudia's post about Non is not a direct push , maybe shading , and it didnt change non's read as I see .

Why would that change non's read if it was SvS?

I think the only scenario Claudia/non is SvS is if non is an unrecruited traitor tbh.

SP.

/vote non

"I'm scumreading Fen but I want a flip on Desert, who I am null reading, to make my mind up about Fen despite having never stated a connection between them previously"?
That isn't logical progression.

Honestly I kinda wanna lynch poly's slot because of teaser.
They came into the thread shading Fen and trying to shut down discussion and continued to do so in their next 2 posts.