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I think most people missed this part in my will. This was where I explained my play this game.
Spoiler: Most of you are probably going to be really surprised to see me actually flip Doctor. Granted, some of you will be pretty mad that I flipped Doctor. While I do regret most of my play this game, I still stand by that it wasn't that bad. I wanted to try and play more risky with the whisper trying to bait out the witch, but that just ended up backfiring and pushed the lynch on me. Half the people were scumreading me for not revealing the whisper earlier on while the other half were scumreading me for revealing the whisper before everyone checked in. It seemed to be a lose/lose situation. I defended myself as much as I could on this, trying to respond to nearly everyone's posts about it.

Then came Ultii revealing that he protected me, therefore a Witch couldn't visit me. Although the circumstances of me and him both being town are really unlikely, I still actually believe that he is town. His reveal early on seemed very unnecessary for scum, and I figure it's more likely to come from town. I also tried to defend myself against this, despite the fact that it was based on mechanics, and once again I was as active as I possibly could be and tried defending myself in every single way possible.

And then people accused me of being a Jester.

This was where I began to get really annoyed, and basically insulted that people thought that everything I'd done today was just a Jester act. After defending myself for one or two posts after the original accusation, I saw more people agree that I was likely a Jester, and I thought about the whole situation. Ultii had made a post earlier saying that there was no chance I was getting out of this lynch unless I had a really solid claim, which I didn't considering it was nearly a CC, and I don't think there was one person who believed I was town. People believing that I was a Jester honestly just made me give up after that. So I voted myself. I realised I might as well get it over with, because there was no way I wasn't getting lynched. I had been focusing on the game the entire day, trying to figure out how to make people believe that I was town, and all that ended up happening was people believing that my play was so bad that I had to be a Jester.

Everything I said in those 2 posts after I voted myself was pretty much entirely true, except for the part about me leaving if I wasn't lynched that day. That was mainly out of frustration, and I guarantee that I wouldn't have actually replaced out if I wasn't lynched. I wouldn't want to put someone into that position. I want to thank Moon here, because she actually PM'd me after the post and I asked if I was doing alright, and if I wanted to rant it out I could do so to her and Tilted.

I wanted to just stay off the forums for the night, but I checked and saw that people were misinterpreting my post as me claiming Jester, and I really didn't want that to be the way I was getting out of the lynch, so I made a post trying to clear everything up. After that, I actually wanted to play proper forum mafia, so I made some reads and tried analysing the thread.

I stopped playing forum mafia for about 6 months because I hated how competitive and aggressive I became when I played. I really did want this game to be different. I wanted to just relax and enjoy playing forum mafia, but that was nowhere near how it ended up turning out. I was stressed for nearly all of Day 2 and I felt that I was becoming more and more aggressive as I kept playing. After I host my FM game in a couple of weeks, I'll most likely end up leaving forum mafia again. It isn't really anything or anyone specific that happened in this game, it's just that I remembered how much I end up stressing and not really enjoying myself while playing.

I've probably lost a lot of respect from others because of my play this game, and my reputation has probably gone downhill. I never intended to offend or make anyone else feel bad this game, and I'm really sorry if I made this game not enjoyable for anyone playing, or for the hosts.

Scum played really well this game, more specifically mafia.

I guess it could still be a M4x/Jen/Shilster/someone else scumteam, but with each vote on M4x I'm becoming less and less confident on her being scum.

Everyone still needs to put their vote down on someone.

Marshal doesn't need to stay on me. I'd say less than a quarter of the players actually believe I'm town, so if mafia decide to attack me then it isn't the smartest move. Ultii should target someone who thinks will be attacked.

I figured someone might pick up on it, and it really isn't that much of a problem pointing it out. We're still not confident that there even is a Vig, so the night plan could have already been completely redundant.

Since people already figured out that the plan was flawed it's useless anyways. I'm protecting Ultii tonight, hopefully a Vig doesn't try to shoot me.

The whisper to Ultii was telling him that the plan was flawed because he will just end up scaring away the Vigilante. I told him to not actually protect me but still tell people that he would, to scare off a witch from trying to visit me.

Alright. Night plan is that Vig shoots me, I heal myself and Ultii protects me to make sure that I'm not witched or roleblocked.

Glglglgl

Alright. I'm going to sleep now, and I'll likely only be able to check in for about 10 minutes in the morning before EOD. My preferences on lynching go M4x>HeyItsJen>Shilster>RealMandingo, but I'd be willing to switch my vote to someone purely so that we can get a lynch off.

Shilster wrote:

MaccaMania wrote:

Shilster wrote:

MaccaMania wrote:I don't see any connection between his play in that game and his play in this game.

Their decisions are somewhat inconsistent to me.

Explain. I didn't really see any inconsistencies in their NFM53 play, and their only inconsistency is this game has been their opinion on me, which a couple of other players have had. He started off townreading me, and then he switched his opinion on me, which is kind of a given, considering I pretty much had a red result against me, and then he made a plan which would confirm me as either town or scum. Even if he had only the slightest belief that I was town, making that plan is still town-motivated.

His opinion on MM changed in a day.

Also, what do you mean by red result? I only remember Ultix clearing you of being witched.

Switching like that is town-motivated? Really? How does him believing that you're town make it town-motivated? There are so many different possibilities that makes your statement incorrect.

Ultii claimed a result on me which would make me scum unless a mafia deception had interfered with the result. I'd say that's pretty much a red result. And I didn't say switching is town motivated. I said making the plan is. The plan clearly wasn't thought out properly, but the idea of it was town-motivated, and something I really don't see newb!mafia doing if they weren't confident on me being town/neutral.

I'm still not really buying the inconsistencies with non. You're using a really specific example of something in completely different circumstances, and he never really changed his opinion drastically on MM. It sounds like you didn't really have a proper reason to scumread him so you just referred to one of his previous games and claimed that he was acing similar to that.

Shilster wrote:

MaccaMania wrote:I don't see any connection between his play in that game and his play in this game.

Their decisions are somewhat inconsistent to me.

Explain. I didn't really see any inconsistencies in their NFM53 play, and their only inconsistency is this game has been their opinion on me, which a couple of other players have had. He started off townreading me, and then he switched his opinion on me, which is kind of a given, considering I pretty much had a red result against me, and then he made a plan which would confirm me as either town or scum. Even if he had only the slightest belief that I was town, making that plan is still town-motivated.

Shilster wrote:

MaccaMania wrote:I'm against lynching non. Them constantly swaying their opinion isn't really indicative of mafia, if anything it's more like to come from town, as mafia would be constant if they were trying to push for a mislynch. And his plan wasn't even that bad. Yeah it was flawed, but for a newer player to suggest something that is used to prove the role of someone (me) who could be a possible mislynch, its pretty town motivated.

I might be able to go for a kosmo lynch, but it's not one of my high priorities.

This is their 6th(?) game and they're playing the exact same way they have in NFM53, where they were scum.

/vote non

:)

I just skimmed through non's ISO in NFM53, and I can't see any similarities at all. They were much more confident in that game but never gave any townreads in it, and I think there was 1 scumread which they completely left. There wasn't any mention of a plan, his posts were mainly one liners and his ISO was completely clogged with memes.

I don't see any connection between his play in that game and his play in this game.

I'm against lynching non. Them constantly swaying their opinion isn't really indicative of mafia, if anything it's more like to come from town, as mafia would be constant if they were trying to push for a mislynch. And his plan wasn't even that bad. Yeah it was flawed, but for a newer player to suggest something that is used to prove the role of someone (me) who could be a possible mislynch, its pretty town motivated.

I might be able to go for a kosmo lynch, but it's not one of my high priorities.

I really wouldn't doubt a m4x/Jen scum team, especially after M4x said that Teaser vs Jen was obviously TvT.

Alright. We have just over 12 hours until end of day. The night plan is pretty much worked out, so now everyone needs to focus on today's lynch. Everyone needs to put their vote somewhere, on someone who they want lynched today.

I'm fine with lynching M4x, HeyItsJen or realMandingo today, in that order. I still don't like M4x dropping his push on kosmo. It seemed like he wanted to look townie by actually doing a push but he never followed through with it, and decided to just hop onto my wagon instead, completely disregarding his push on kosmo.

I think he might not have caught up yet, and he's still referring to non's plan where I heal Ultii and the Vig shoots him.

If I'm not a doctor I get shot and killed buddy. That isn't losing a TP

And where did you get 7/10? It's a 50/50 for whether or not we have a Vig.

There is still the possibility that the Witch controlled me to myself, but I highly doubt that unless the Witch is a newish player.

Shilster wrote:

MaccaMania wrote:Unless Ultii is Witch, that just fucks everything up.

How is Ultix witch?

He probably isn't, but that's the only thing that could go completely haywire for the plan.

It isn't likely that both mafia and witch will target me again, they'd be wasting their powers. Witch will most likely be looking for the Vig, and I doubt either faction will want to waste one of their actions, when it isn't even granted that the other will do it as well.

Plus, there's the added risk of a Lookout.

We haven't even found a proper lynch target, I doubt we're going to be able to find another scummy person who we're confident on being scum.

For the night plan Vig shoot me, I'll heal myself and Ultii can protect me. This pretty much solves the whole debacle. Either I get killed through bad things happening, I heal myself and become more likely town or the TK is a Vet and pretty much nothing happens.

Unless Ultii is Witch, that just fucks everything up.

Still fine with either of those plans, as long as a Ultii or a lookout is on me to make sure I don't get witched. Would still prefer Ultii's though, as that actually confirms me as town.

An extra level would be you/a lookout being on me, to make sure I don't get witched or roleblocked.

I'm up for that

M4xwell wrote:

MaccaMania wrote:Very rough reads list
[Arckas, Claudia]
[Soulshade, Ultii, Polypie, atoonlinktothepast, non]
[Everyone else]
[Shilster, HeyItsJen, teaser]
[realMandingo, M4xwell]

My reads will likely change with a flip.

/vote m4xwell

I'm most confident on M4x being mafia here. I'm pretty sure mafia stayed away and tried to go under the radar when I was being pushed, and I don't like how M4x completely tossed away her kosmo push. RealMandingo is a close second, but this post from them was actually really townie. It's just when they've been getting pushed that they've had bad reactions.

You completely misinterpreted my vote and are finding the bottom of the barrel ways to change the situation from yourself (which you seemed to doom from the start) to me. If you actually read my post, I was voting for information, not for scum. At the moment, there is a 60/40 chance of Kosmo being scum given the circumstances and the 40 seems too large at the moment to continue on attacking it (without more proof)

YOU, however, are a solid 90/10 and that is the poster-child of "ez vote", especially after the self-vote. I know you cannot be Neutral Evil or Benign.

It was still a push. Even if you weren't confident on kosmo being scum, you could have continued the push. If you actually wanted information you wouldn't have suddenly switched over to my wagon and completely leave your push on kosmo.

teaser303 wrote:

MaccaMania wrote:Very rough reads list
[Arckas, Claudia]
[Soulshade, Ultii, Polypie, atoonlinktothepast, non]
[Everyone else]
[Shilster, HeyItsJen, teaser]
[realMandingo, M4xwell]

My reads will likely change with a flip.

/vote m4xwell

I'm most confident on M4x being mafia here. I'm pretty sure mafia stayed away and tried to go under the radar when I was being pushed, and I don't like how M4x completely tossed away her kosmo push. RealMandingo is a close second, but this post from them was actually really townie. It's just when they've been getting pushed that they've had bad reactions.

Also, can you explain your reads on Claudia and Toon? I haven't seen them do much this game.

My read on you was pretty much just a gutread, as I doubted all of the mafia would immediately push me with the whisper. Having one person to defend would make sense, as it would distance the associations.

Claudia has had a genuine tone for most of the game and she's looks like she has actually been trying to scumhunt. I really liked this post from her and a fair few of her other ones.

Honestly I'm not sure why toon is there. I think I might have mistaken them for someone else, but I'm not sure who it was.

@Arckas
The reason I switched my playstyle when Ender and others thought I was Jester was because I was honestly insulted. I'd literally been on all day defending myself and the end result was people just believing I was jester. After that, I just lost all of my wim. At that time I really didn't want to play. I'd been doing as much as I could and it all ended up in nothing. I figured I'd just give up and vote for myself, hopefully hurrying up the day so it'd end. It turned out to be a good thing though I guess, it got the lynch off of me. I didn't intend it to.

And I understand that from your perspective me saying "if I'm not lynched tomorrow I'll probably just replace out" looks like a threat, but I was honestly just so annoyed with everything that had happened that I didn't want to go through another day of this. I do regret saying that, and even if I wasn't lynched I probably wouldn't have replaced out. But at that time I was just so insulted that I didn't really want to play if everyone thought of what I was doing as a joke.

I stayed off the forums for a while to calm down (which turned out to be a good 2-3 hours) and when I came back I wanted to play actual forum mafia. I didn't want to be in the constant state of defending myself, I wanted to actually do reads and play the game how I like to play it. I also wanted to clear up that I wasn't claiming Jester, nor did I ever intend to act like a Jester.

If Vig really wants to shoot me tonight I will probably just end up self-healing. I didn't end up using it anyways because I got witched. I don't know whether this will cause people to either believe me more or scumread me more, but it's still beneficial for town that Vigilante doesn't lose its guilt.

non271103 wrote:Caught up with everything so far, if we don't lynch Macca we should confirm him at night. So the night plan will look something like:

Ultiix and Macca: be on each other
Vig: Shoot Ultiix
LO: Be on Macca

If Ultiix dies, Macca is confirmed scum. If Ultiix got shot and healed, Macca is confirmed town. If LO sees Ultiix visits Macca, he is confirmed (since exe can not visit).

So what do you think of my plan?

Honestly, this plan isn't that bad. Witch controlling Ultii just means I'm not protected, which isn't really that much of an issue, because mafia are unlikely to kill me considering I should be an easy mislynch. The only way Ultii dies is if 2 mafia try to visit me or the mafia and witch try to visit me, but that'd be at the risk of being seen by the lookout, meaning we'd have 2 scum confirmed.

This relies on me being town, which, I know I am, but doesn't really matter if Ultii is scum. Let's say the witch does try and target me without Ultii being the marshal. This results in scum!Ultii being shot, and the witch being seen by the lookout.

Unless I'm completely forgetting something the plan kind of works. It'll confirm me as town if Ultii is attacked and healed, and as long as Ultii protects me. Granted, it does waste a Vigilante's bullet and also wastes me and Ultii having the ability to prevent someone from dying.

Shilster wrote:

MaccaMania wrote:An example of this is with me, when they kept questioning a lot of my posts but never actually stated that they thought I was scum/lying and with realmandingo

I don't think you're buddies with mandigo.

MaccaMania wrote:where they just questioned why real believed a prosecutor was in play but never claimed they thought it was scummy or anything.

It wasn't scummy, it was just a bad guess.

I meant to include an also in that first sentence, to separate the examples. "And also with realMandingo, where they ..."

Very rough reads list
[Arckas, Claudia]
[Soulshade, Ultii, Polypie, atoonlinktothepast, non]
[Everyone else]
[Shilster, HeyItsJen, teaser]
[realMandingo, M4xwell]

My reads will likely change with a flip.

/vote m4xwell

I'm most confident on M4x being mafia here. I'm pretty sure mafia stayed away and tried to go under the radar when I was being pushed, and I don't like how M4x completely tossed away her kosmo push. RealMandingo is a close second, but this post from them was actually really townie. It's just when they've been getting pushed that they've had bad reactions.