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Jezz92 wrote:

TheParanoidAndroid wrote:

ChikolyOffensive wrote:Vig carried scum.

Ok, you were super scummy and deserved the shot there, that's your fault more than purple

Disagree. Not night 1 anyway. 100% would have gone Someone if it were me.

That was my first choice, but I talked myself out of it. And then I was too lazy to read properly.

lucky333123 wrote:Purple I deserved my death. I was being an idiot.

On the other hand, I was correct about Ladd xD

Were you being an idiot? Yeah

Were you scummy at all? No. I honestly am confused why I didn't shoot and lynch everyone on your wagon. The reasoning was gross and scummy.


@FML as I said you were decent.

xUltiix wrote:That was I am retarded

The entire mafia were obvscum

fixed it for you

Rant:
I don't like night actions. I am bad at them. This is an area that I have never improved upon and it was very obvious in this game that it was the case. I tried to compensate for my shit actions through my day play, unfortunately everyone who I talked to was either an idiot, drunk, or scum. So no one would rally around me, I feel like town lost the game as soon as they basically told me as confirmed town to go fuck myself and followed ladd off a cliff. Overall this game comes down to one word from all parties: lazy. Frop was lazy D1 when he didn't claim his role until after the day ended. Ladd was lazy the whole game (I don't think he disagrees). I was lazy because I didn't stop to think about anything, examples: Chikoly shot wasn't thought out, I should have recognized that being on the Olly wagon was a good thing because scum wouldn't know if frop was scum and would want to lynch him instead. I was lazy with the lucky shot because I literally RNGed it. I was lazy because I didn't shoot ladd, I was scared that if ladd flipped town that I couldn't carry us alone. I was lazy because I gave up on D3. I was lazy because now that I just look at the votes I can clearly see the scum motivation that I glossed over.

One person who was not lazy, who impressed the living fuck out of me: TPA. Fucking amazing play from TPA, there were subtleties in his play that made me townread him that I now see were most likely intentional plants. I was disappointed that I picked him for Mafia Championship when I thought he was town, but now that I see he is scum I am very glad I chose him.


Btw the only reason I gave Chara a sorta townread was because I thought he was being too stupid to be scum. I felt like he used to play scum more deliberately. I guess more laziness on both our parts.



Responses:
Spoiler:

Exacerbated wrote:Nobody reevaluated town consensus after, like, two mislynches?

Did you read the fucking game? I was literally saying exactly this as confirmed town and everyone ignored me.

ladd wrote:

UNDERSTOOD12345 wrote:I feel like the game was lost to town when Ladd rolled mafia, beacuse as much as he was mafia he was also right that he was only one doing anything

well that was by far my laziest scum game in a while, I think most of the town got me right after a certain point they just didn t have it in them to push me : )

Pushing you is even worse than pushing others. I couldn't even push S0me0ne and he was scum so how would I be able to push my shaky gutread on you.

TheParanoidAndroid wrote:

UNDERSTOOD12345 wrote:I feel like the game was lost to town when Ladd rolled mafia, beacuse as much as he was mafia he was also right that he was only one doing anything

lmfao?

Yeah, TPA and Chara played much better than ladd IMO

Lexiam wrote:My only rant is activity level

Seriously? You're not even going to mention how there was only like 1-2 town members standing in front of the incoming train of scum influence? It wasn't even inactivity for half the players it was just sheeping and utter lack of any intelligence.

S0me0ne23 wrote:gg perfect mafia win

Even though I think you were the worst mafia member because I didn't see a lot of town motivation from you. However, you didn't really do anything scummy which was impressive and you were actually quite good this game despite my reservations.

Shout outs:
@FML thanks you were the only decent townie in the entire game.

@Var, htg, Ult, Josh, murat, TTR, frop, and everyone who replaced out: fuck u. would not listen to confirmed town.

@Chikoly and lucky: I'm sorry. I wasn't really impressed by either of you, but I definitely knew lucky was town and if I even spent one more minute thinking about Chikoly I probably would have townread him as well. I hope to play with you both another time and not shoot you without thinking about it.

@Town sorry for shooting townies.

@Scum you're welcome, but I think you would have won anyways, you guys definitely deserve the win.

TheParanoidAndroid wrote:

PurpleSidewalk1 wrote:The fact that I'm the only one opposed to the lynch, the confirmed fucking town, and yet I know there are townies on this lynch which is so clearly being pushed by scum. It's not like the exact same people who mislynched every lynch so far aren't the one's pushing for this one. Clearly a good wagon.

Would you switch to murat instead?

Nah, I don't feel confident in that at all. I would rather go for S0me0ne or maybe Josh. Why not let's put some pressure on that and watch the gauge bleed.

/vote Josh

@Josh why do you feel Ultiix is a good vote? In your own words please.

The fact that I'm the only one opposed to the lynch, the confirmed fucking town, and yet I know there are townies on this lynch which is so clearly being pushed by scum. It's not like the exact same people who mislynched every lynch so far aren't the one's pushing for this one. Clearly a good wagon.

just fucking do it already, we will have to deal with this shit tomorrow if I manage to claw him back from the edge of lynching anyways.

ladd wrote:that's cause murat is town

probs

Probably. Also TPA is probs town as well. There are three things I don't see scum!TPA doing but I only remember two and will mention the third if I think of it:
1. Initiating and commanding the switch from frop to Olly on D1 EoD. I don't think scum would do this and they definitely wouldn't if Consort wasn't a thing, that is the only reason why I would include TPA in a possible scum list is the existence of a Consort.
2. Reminding everyone of the existence of a Consort. Yes, this could come from scum, however, the reaction from TPA seemed genuine enough to me to label it as town-like.
3................fuckkkkkkk

ladd wrote:what does TPA/murat mean?

Also, everyone would be bussing Ultiix here, cause there is no way he survives 2 lynches. The only vote I can't see as a buss is htg, but I was super townreading them anyway

One of the two. I don't think TPA and murat are scum together for a multitude of reasons.

I could actually see a few possible scenarios where Ult is scum just based off of the teams, but if I actually read him then it comes across as dumb town and inactive shitter (the slot more so than Ult himself)

Joshuabfagan wrote:Ulti
Chara
Paranoid

/unvote
/Vote Ulti

There are four mafia members... unless you are answering a different question.

If I were to guess on PoE I would say this: {ladd, (s0me0ne/chara), FML, Josh}

However, I could easily see a world in which my scum pool (not scumteam) looks more like this {ladd, TPA/murat, s0me0ne, chara, FML, Josh} and I can imagine that Ult flips scum, but I honestly don't think people would be bussing this hard when there are other viable options. Like for real just look at the people voting Ult's scumteams, they all think their fellow wagoners are hardcore bussing for no reason. It just doesn't make much sense to me if Ult flips scum unless the team is somehow {Ult, (Chara/ladd), TPA, FML} maybe... idk I would assume that at least one of the scum members would be bussing him at this point because Chara and ladd do that, FML has weird interactions around Ult and I really thought he would have voted between my and var's vote... oh wait is var known for wanting to QH? Okay that makes more sense, but I also have a feeling that if TPA is scum then so is FML so I will keep that pool as it is.

FMLSheWas12 wrote:It's probably not Var, otherwise sounds good.

Who would you put in his place?

heytheregirl17 wrote:[Ultiix, Varanus, Murat/s0me] is my scumteam.

FMLSheWas12 wrote:>insert gent's scum team here<

gj. much effort

Do you think that Varanus would put his teammate at L-1 with FML online (who has a hard scumread on Ultiix)?

Also who's your fourth if it's Ult/Var/Murat and who's your fourth if it's S0me0ne instead of Murat?

@FML

CharaTheFallen wrote:(Ulti/Josh/Var) +1
probably ladd tbh

This?

@ladd if Ultiix is town what's the team? You said if Chara and Ult are both town, but I want to know this one.

I was just trying to get a better understanding of associations with Ultiix ie: who wouldn't hammer him. I actually think he is a VI as I've said before.

I think we should probably just lynch a person who ends up in nearly every scumteam even if they aren't the highest scumread.

The questions are just directed at everyone.

Everyone give me your scumteams.

For reference.

FMLSheWas12 wrote:I just want Ultiix dead honestly.

Two questions:
1. Why did Varanus vote?
2. Why didn't FML vote?

I think 1 is more obvious than 2, but 1 could possibly swing in another direction.

/unvote

L-2 right now.

I'm tired of this fucking game. Just end the day and let them kill me.

/vote Ultiix

Now goddamn bus him.

FMLSheWas12 wrote:It takes really simple problem solving skills to place a consort on the claimed tracker, so perhaps frop received no feedback and just inferred murat visited nobody? I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

Yeah...no shit. I don't think anyone was suggesting anything other than that.

I'm still feeling scum!S0me0ne but I can't really explain why...I feel like my reads have been half correct, but I haven't followed up on them. Should have shot S0me0ne last night because I don't think I can lynch him, but I feel he is scum.

Varanus wrote:

PurpleSidewalk1 wrote:@Varanus can you please tell me why you think the scumteam is TPA, Chara, ladd, and Ultiix based on the VC analysis? Explain it slow.

Tendency to vote on similar wagons (but not the entire group), and not vote for each other. I also don't see Cow being killed over ladd here, and killing tracker would be irrelevant with a consort. I'd expect one or two of them to be dead already if they were town.

Yes, I can follow the logic on the Cow thing and the frop thing. However, they could just be doing this to try to get us to mislynch in that pool, we should go for someone with strong connections to one of those pool members (maybe Ultiix although I don't really want to).

Varanus wrote:

ladd wrote:let's say I am town, which is the scumteam then, var?

-snip-
Blegh
Probably something like Joshua or murat to replace you

Those are bad answers in the context of the game. Josh wouldn't be scum with Chara and TPA or I would sort of doubt it. And murat might follow on one or two votes, but I feel like he has been too lost in voting to be scum with those people especially with some wagons being pretty close. They would have asked him to vote something that didn't line up with his reads by now and it would be super obvious that he was being coached.

ladd wrote:I would be more inclined to think fml is scum than var tbh

same.


@Ultiix get your shit together and start making us townread you because what I see is every gun pointing at you and I'm the one standing on the side saying "hey guys didn't this happen D1 and D2?" while they shoot the living shit out of you.

Read this because almost everything requires a response.

murat1996 wrote:Chara has been scummy
Someone is null/leaning scum
Josh is scummy to a capital S.
Varanus, I wouldn't be surprised if he is trying to do what he did in 10E and coast around as scum. Besides that he's null for me.

Jezz is null for me.

Why? Give me overall reasoning
K
Why? Give me an example
What do you think of his recent contribution? The vote count analysis and general discussion?

xUltiix wrote:-snip-

I cant see the jezz slot being scum, ever, and josh gave me town vibes since replacing in

-snip-

Explain Jezz read and give me examples of josh being townie.

FMLSheWas12 wrote:purple y htg is town question mark

Mostly D1 UNDERSTOOD, but idk she hasn't done anything scummy which I would expect htg to do by now.

TheParanoidAndroid wrote:It just sets back whatever alignment you're slotted into, and it fucks over the other players before the game even starts

This is curious to me...but I suppose it could have easily have happened in day chat instead so I guess it's nothing.

ladd wrote:@Purple I don't see who I should be pissed off at besides myself and lucky, you can say what you want about me as a player but i never go around blaming others when I play like shit. Like 90% of the times I get annoyed is due to people pushing me and the other 10% is when people just generally annoy me. Not sure what town game of mine you are referencing to since I have not had a game where i was toxic since tfm33/episode11 i think?

Anyway if I can't work with you, I ll just work around you, whatever.

You can work with me.

ladd wrote:Chara/Josh and chara/var are the only 2 things I am pretty sure are impossible. I really doubt iggy asks chara to claim vig like they did D2 if they are both scum, makes no sense. Some0ne/ultiix is more unlikely than impossible tbh.

And how about the chara/var one why would that be impossible?

@TPA

PurpleSidewalk1 wrote:

TheParanoidAndroid wrote:

PurpleSidewalk1 wrote:Right now I trust TPA, murat, htg, and Varanus in that order. I want opinions from those four on ladd, Chara, S0me0ne, Josh (iggy slot), and if you feel strongly about him gimme a take on Jezz.

Null/slight town, town, slight scum, dependent on Ultiix

k, k, y, k, y, and how about Varanus?

Did you answer my y?


@Varanus can you please tell me why you think the scumteam is TPA, Chara, ladd, and Ultiix based on the VC analysis? Explain it slow.


@S0me0ne what do you think of TPA's reaction to figuring out there is a consort? Was it forced? Was it natural? Townreading from it or scumreading from it?

Joshuabfagan wrote:

PurpleSidewalk1 wrote:@JOSH
trying to get your attention because apparently this is your fucking first FM game somehow you were allowed to join this shit hole without participating in NFM first.

Give me your reads and your opinion on why you think I trust TPA, murat, and htg. You can look in my ISO, but I think it will be a little hard to find anything so maybe just justify it in your own words.

Sorry, I'm not really sure. Im going to bandwagon vote whoever you smart people want, sorry bout the inexperience.

Sigh. We really don't need a sheep right now. Come on you can do it, just trust your gut and tell me who is scum. Don't bother with that other question it's a harder one.

FMLSheWas12 wrote:I'd laugh if the mafia were actually paranoid over the tracker and kept visiting minimal, when they could have fucking blocked the tracker.

Does the tracker get results that are like "murat visited no one" or do they get nothing back if their target didn't visit? We could deduce the mafia if they are retarded.