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ManateeDude wrote:polypies73|1|ScarredSamurai;SparkingJayYT|1|polypies73;Crimson97|1|3cheersforidiots;3cheerforidiots|1|UzayAltay

NOT VOTING: SparkingJayYT, Jabichuelas, lemonader666, Crimson97, HelloSither, kosmo16, cob709


I unvoted?
by ScarredSamurai
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:47 pm
 
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Topic: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Crimson97 wrote:
ScarredSamurai wrote:
polypies73 wrote:
ScarredSamurai wrote:/vote Polypies73

Time to finish this that EoD was blatant. I'm mad I forgot about it.


ok so i will be playing today, and if i stop playing then you can hound me to play.

first of all I'll say be prepared to stop tunnelling me. For a start, your case on me is pretty level 1, meaning it's really something to respond to, plus I know you can find actual "scummy" things if you wanted a case.

secondly, we are talking about that wabbit cfd. I will be honest in saying that i sort of "knew" I would be cfd'd cause hey that's what we do, and secondly, we're basically never right on our first choice of a lynch that survives as a wagon the whole day (and you're still not right).

thirdly, i swear if i see people hypoclaiming, when it's clearly not good a play reiterated by a man who just flipped green who although sometimes, INtEReStInG, knows what they are talking about, if you don't want to believe me.


/unvote

For now.

What about this post made you unvote?


Wasn't Just about the post rather also Sparkings developpement and me re-reading the EoD. The movement on Wabbit's wagon was interesting which leads me to believe scum just sat back and watched it happen. Also Poly seems to be getting that aggro in them and overall... I just feel like they are town.
by ScarredSamurai
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:47 pm
 
Forum: Game Threads
Topic: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

/vote Crimson

Yeah im not liking the tone of their most recent posts.
by ScarredSamurai
Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:45 pm
 
Forum: Game Threads
Topic: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

SparkingJayYT wrote:
ScarredSamurai wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:Gut feeling both wagons at EoD were TvT

mainly due to the dead atmosphere when Poly was topwagon for several hours leading up to EoD, if my facts are correct.

Thats logical but.. If not Poly. Do you think scum just watched it unfold? as I missed EoD so i can't possibally tell.

If they have no reason to show up at EoD then why not, or just make the situation between WabbitvPoly more tense

Yeah. i was thinking such after reading EoD a few mins ago. Thus I unvoted them however I hit a roadblock. Ill settle on Crimson for a lynch today but they havn't made many connections so Idk who their buddies could be.
by ScarredSamurai
Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:41 pm
 
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Topic: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

polypies73 wrote:
ScarredSamurai wrote:/vote Polypies73

Time to finish this that EoD was blatant. I'm mad I forgot about it.


ok so i will be playing today, and if i stop playing then you can hound me to play.

first of all I'll say be prepared to stop tunnelling me. For a start, your case on me is pretty level 1, meaning it's really something to respond to, plus I know you can find actual "scummy" things if you wanted a case.

secondly, we are talking about that wabbit cfd. I will be honest in saying that i sort of "knew" I would be cfd'd cause hey that's what we do, and secondly, we're basically never right on our first choice of a lynch that survives as a wagon the whole day (and you're still not right).

thirdly, i swear if i see people hypoclaiming, when it's clearly not good a play reiterated by a man who just flipped green who although sometimes, INtEReStInG, knows what they are talking about, if you don't want to believe me.


/unvote

For now.
by ScarredSamurai
Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:39 pm
 
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

My WIM just died lol.

Gimme a second to catchup.
by ScarredSamurai
Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:38 pm
 
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Okay Poly has some good points. Im tired and tomorrow im going to look over that EoD and check out the movement. If what sparking is true then Poly is probs V.

Night and cyall tmr.
by ScarredSamurai
Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:37 pm
 
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Topic: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

SparkingJayYT wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:Gut feeling both wagons at EoD were TvT

mainly due to the dead atmosphere when Poly was topwagon for several hours leading up to EoD, if my facts are correct.

Thats logical but.. If not Poly. Do you think scum just watched it unfold? as I missed EoD so i can't possibally tell.
by ScarredSamurai
Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:34 pm
 
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Topic: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

cob709 wrote:
ScarredSamurai wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:hypoing nea

Lemon - Not cit.


Polypies73 - Not Cit.

kosmo16 wrote:Oh, I hope visiting roles know that they can't fake who they visited.

dota - Citizen

Crimson97 wrote:Oh we're hypoing.
Cob-Cit

Are all 4 of you claiming Neopolitan? That is impossible. The role list only has 1 Neopolitan


We went over this. Hypoing is where everyone claims NEO with a fake claim so the real NEO can out their results upon their death.
by ScarredSamurai
Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:34 pm
 
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Topic: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

SparkingJayYT wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:Ok i am an idiot for not realising day was gonna end so soon, but town are even more idiotic for lynching Wabbit.

I want to PL you for that comment.

Town was stupid for lynching wabbit though.
by ScarredSamurai
Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:33 pm
 
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Topic: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

SparkingJayYT wrote:hypoing nea

Lemon - Not cit.


Polypies73 - Not Cit.
by ScarredSamurai
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:31 pm
 
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Topic: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

ManateeDude wrote:DOTA DIED LMFAO he was..

You are a Citizen

You have no special abilities
You may vote during the day

You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated


...

Ummm Ok then.
by ScarredSamurai
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:23 pm
 
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

/vote Polypies73

Time to finish this that EoD was blatant. I'm mad I forgot about it.
by ScarredSamurai
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:22 pm
 
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Re: Daystart

ManateeDude wrote:Day 2 has begun and will end in2020-07-02T22:30:00.000



No deaths?
by ScarredSamurai
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:21 pm
 
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Imma be honest, I'm generally lost atm. I don't want a CFD rather a poly/High info Lynch.
by ScarredSamurai
Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:24 pm
 
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

I still personally feel like Poly is the best lynch. They have been awkward. Has shaded almost everyone to avoid discussions and their reads go all over the place. They seem to be trying to do "town slips" like making jokes with random.org but it comes off to me as awkward.
by ScarredSamurai
Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:54 pm
 
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Hellosither wrote:Hellosither - maybe town? ;)
UzayAltay, SparkingJayYT - slight town inclination
TheWabbit, cob709, Jabichuelas, polypies73, 3cheersforidiots - very slight town inclination
kosmo16, dota2reporter, lemonader666, Crimson97, ScarredSamurai - heavy uncertainty (probably very slight scum inclination in virtue of my other town leans)


Why am I your top scumread if you haven't even quoted any of my posts nor mentioned why I was scum

Besides that explain Crimson, lemon and Kosmo scumreads. And explain Uzay, Polypies Town read please.
by ScarredSamurai
Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:28 am
 
Forum: Game Threads
Topic: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

TheWabbit wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
cob709 wrote:I think either poly, scarred, or hello is scum.
It's really easy to create a list D1 and point fingers, especially at me.
You're pretty much moving attention towards a specific group of people to poe, hoping everyone else agrees with you.

Introduction and Mechanics

First of all, welcome to NFM. Some of you have already played before, while others are brand new, so I'll try to keep this simple.
Forum Mafia, or FM in short, is a game about deception between the two main factions: The uninformed majority (town) and the informed minority (mafia) duking it out. Logic, mind games, etc. are all part and usual of mafia.

Town and Mafia both have pretty straight-forward win conditions: eliminate the opposite team. While the mafia has the opportunity to kill periodically, the town cannot rely on their own killing roles to win the game - for that, they must vote to kill a player by "lynch".

The game is divided in two phases: the Day, and the Night.

  • Day is when the players post on the game thread, discussing about what happened during the night, other players and who should be voted for the lynch. The days last 120 hours (5 real-life days) and lynches are allowed, these which will occur after the majority has been reached. To vote, just post "/vote PlayerNameExample". When a player reaches majority, they are automatically lynched, there is no trial phase. When a player is lynched, they are immediately removed from the game, with their role being shown to the public.
  • The latter is a 48-hour period where any player who has a night action may use it. **During this phase the Mafia privately talks on their mafia chat. After the 48 hours are over, all actions are carried out, and the personal results of this phase shall be privately messaged (PM'd) to each player.

**There are no whispers present in this game.
**There are no last wills or death notes in this game.
**Jailor may not roll in this set-up.


The game will only end once one of the major factions fulfills their condition.

PM Protocols
When sending the host the information below, make sure one of the following is in the subject line:
For sending me Night actions or whatever, include "NFM61" in the subject line, it would also help if you included "Night Action" for your actions

Mafia Killing Revamp is in play: Meaning - Any member of the Mafia may sacrifice their night action to make the factional kill at night.
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Terminology

General terms:
Role Card: The PM which contains the player's role, alignment and abilities.
Hard Claim: Directly stating one's own role on the game thread.
Soft Claim: Hinting one's role without explicity stating it. For instance, saying "there are alot of people that are more important than me" may imply that you are softclaiming citizen. Make sure you have a plan in mind before attempting this.
Counter Claim (CC): Making a claim which directly contradicts someone else's. E.g Player A hardclaims Citizen, but Player B is a Lookout who saw them visiting, so they hardclaim and bring up their evidence.
Fake Claim: Claiming a role which is not their own's. E.g When a mafia member is demanded to hardclaim, they almost always fakeclaim instead.
Scum/Scummy: Scum is the name given to any role which doesn't win with town, and needs to be eliminated for town's win condition. Being scummy means adopting a behaviour which doesn't line up with the behaviour expected from a town member.
Confirmed: Being 100% confirmed as a certain [role]/[alignment].
No Lynch: Instead of voting for a player, you may also "/vote No Lynch". If majority reaches on a No Lynch, no player is killed. A No Lynch will also occur when the amount of time for the Day phase is over and majority hasn't been reached. No Lynching is, the majority of the time, benefitial to scum, so aiming towards it is generally scummy.
Reads/Reading: The read you have on a player is the conclusion about their alignment and/or role through their posts or other factors. If player X posts things that look like their a mafia member, you have a scumread on them!
WIFOM: WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that their behavior would be subject to scrutiny. For instance, if you think player Y wouldn't kill Z because Z townreads Y, but then realize that may well be a reason that Y would kill Z: to make people think Y isn't a mafia member, you've stumbled on WIFOM. Tread lightly.
Mislynch: An incorrect lynch on a town member.
Tunneling: Solely focusing on a player and their posts, ignoring others. Often considered scummy.
Game Throwing: Playing against your win condition with the intent of making your own faction lose. Extremely subjective term not to be taken lightly.


Slightly more uncommon terms:
FoS - Finger of Suspicion. Putting the Finger of Suspicion onto a player means that one is calling that player scummy and saying that other players should keep an eye on that player. [Alt. Hand of Suspicion (HoS)]
LyLo - Lynch or Lose. A stage in the game where town must lynch scum or they lose. See also: MyLo.
MyLo - Mislynch and Lose. A stage in the game where if town mislynches (lynches town) and the Mafia make a kill town loses.
PoE - Process of Elimination.
OMGUS - "oh my god you suck". An acronym used to describe retaliatory actions such as votes. Ex: voting a player because they voted you citing the reason "because they are stupid".
PbPA - Post by Post Analysis. Analyzing a player's posts in succession, typically associated with ISO.
ISO - Isolation. Looking at a player's total posts in a game, in succession.

For a more complete list, feel free to look here.

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Playing as Town

While Mafia can talk strategy during the night, the town needs to use the day phase to discuss and figure out who is and isn't town as well. What can you do, then?
Try to look for posts that feel scummy, ask and answer questions other players have made, try to see which intentions a player has behind their posts, be active and post what you think of other players regularly. Avoid plays which could benefit scum instead (e.g Hardclaiming for no reason, fakeclaiming), and try your best to think for yourself - it's a common mistake to follow blindly whatever other players have to say.
Townies have no reason to lie and should never do it, in NFM. Spotting a lie can be almost as sure as spotting a mafia itself.

And be sure to read ObiWan's guide about playing as Citizen.

Playing as Mafia

As scum, you should play exactly like you would as town - be active, post reads, try to look productive, etc. The difference here are your goals: Hiding information, misleading the town and stalling out long enough until they no longer outnumber you. This means appearing as scum-hunting, but in actuality pushing for a mislynch by questioning, false reading and trying to depict a player as scum. However, keep in mind that if a teammate is acting undeniably scummy and their lynch looks like the right call, try not to oppose it too obviously - or it could be tracked back to you.
And remember: you are a team, and thus communication is essential. Try to talk over every situation so you can plan in advance.

FM Academy has further guidance to playing scum.

Golden Rules:
Don't claim Neutral.
Don't be inactive.
Remember what your goals are at all times.
Don't panic if you commit a mistake, but try to work your way around it.
Have fun. It's a game, after all.

totally didn't make this post to get the image
Nice shade, this really enforces my point.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/0rp0ZMM.png[img]


OML IM DYING OF LAUGHTER!
by ScarredSamurai
Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:26 am
 
Forum: Game Threads
Topic: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

polypies73 wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
polypies73 wrote:
3cheersforidiots wrote:
polypies73 wrote:jabi that's like not pushy at all gotta try harder than that.

I would rather you did something instead

idk man this thread is pretty entertaining to observe

playing sentinel is a scum trait

yeah i know

probably time to spew some random stuff if it can get me involved.


Poly. Explain your reads. You said I was town then all of a sudden you scumread me without even talking about me? I don't understand and you are scummy since your reads seem to have come from a hat draw.
by ScarredSamurai
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:35 pm
 
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Topic: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

SparkingJayYT wrote:v: Cob, Kosmo, Uzay, Poly (??), Samurai

Explain Poly.
by ScarredSamurai
Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:08 pm
 
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

Hellosither wrote:/unvote


I thought you were scum :MeowSip:
by ScarredSamurai
Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:04 pm
 
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

polypies73 wrote:{TheWabbit, Crimson97, 3cheersforidiots}
{kosmo16, Jabichuelas, lemonader666}
{dota2reporter, UzayAltay, ScarredSamurai}
{SparkingJayYT, cob709, HelloSither}


Did you seriously just sheep Cheer's reads. i didn't see anything about me.

You townread me early on but then you just shaded me and didn't mention me once again then all of a sudden im in your Null/Scum catagory? Elaborate all your reads now.
by ScarredSamurai
Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:03 pm
 
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Topic: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

3cheersforidiots wrote:
Hellosither wrote:so... since im mafia i guess i will vote my self?

/vote Hellosither

town????
somebody help me

Idek lol. Is this scum trying to look townie or townie thats acting silly.
by ScarredSamurai
Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:01 pm
 
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Topic: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

3cheersforidiots wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:
ScarredSamurai wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:poly and dota just ditched the game. Amazing.

I'd be more concerned by how fluffy cob is.

You think they're scum or just don't give a crap?

why not both?

More of a I don't give a crap. I can't justify a read on fluffy posts. If he continues then he could be up for hanging but as of this moment. I'm not impressed and they've been acting weird.
by ScarredSamurai
Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:00 pm
 
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Topic: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 1

UzayAltay wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:What makes hypoclaiming a good strategy for this setup?

We start with 4 PRs , e.g. 4 Roles that If Mafia cant kill , they'll eithers confirm self or Mafia needs to cc.
Visitors are A bit More compliated Because Mafia claiming there gives 2/1 odds but still , It's unpreferable for Mafia .
The point of hypos are , A citcheck of Neo is locktown.
So even If Mafia manages to kill Neo somehow, that conftowns can hurt them hard.

An example situation to Show that :

D1 citlynch n1 visitorkill d2 citlynch n2 jkkill d3 citlynch n3 neokill -> 4v3 with 2 confcit and 1 visitor.

Cool.

We're not hypoclaiming then.

Why???
Look, I chose an example situation that's bad for us ( Mafia kill PR Each night, cit is lynched every day) but still, end is 33% mechanichal WR.


Wabbit SR's you. He will not follow your hypoclaim strat assuming you are scum and it will benefit the scum faction.
by ScarredSamurai
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:57 am
 
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Topic: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over
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