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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Eragon1329 wrote:@koolkid only problem with finding mafia is this is flipless


The strategy for flipless games is to build a towncore so that it’s impossible to lose


the only people who need flips are people who aren't sure of what they are doing

why are people talking about "converting" people? what's a stump

i don't know any of this shit
by KoolKid777
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:54 am
 
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Topic: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Red Mafia Wins)
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

right now there's too little people in the game talking and everyone is acting like a clown. i'm sure one of the noobs that is already speaking is also an evil role of some sort, but nothing is conclusive enough to be able to take any action. i'm extremely wary of anyone who tries to get on my good side this game

my ultimate sniper reads are reddragonheart, phone, non, thewabbit, and one between taylor-stand-tilted-chemist

and just way too many people trying to be all buddy buddy with me right out of the gate, i don't trust none of you. i only targeted mafia last game, there's no reason for any town to feel the need to go out their way to show me they're town and try to get them on my good side

i have a backdoor gun pointed at eragon just incase he tries to seize too much control of town, but i already decided i was going to play more passively this game so this is really gonna be the last thing i post early game

i have a confirmable role that i can use either mafia or town bodies to prove myself with AND i have already set up the groundwork to be able to confirm myself at any point in time without taking any further actions and will use it the moment someone overextends onto me, so don't try me
by KoolKid777
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:43 am
 
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

HeyYaStand wrote:My money is on Tarpley.

@KoolKid thoughts on game or waiting for stoldi to get clapped?


by KoolKid777
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:16 am
 
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

non271103 wrote:
KoolKid777 wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:whoever it is its gonna be someone that doesn't do anything until F-7 and then finds one scum and calls everyone that wasn't alive at the time a loser


we need to get rid of him long before he has the chance to do that


How can we lynch alzar though


/vote Alzar


FMLSheWas12 wrote:The Stoldi list.

I just removed all living players from the last SFM.

I also removed myself. It definitely isn't me guys, moving on.
Spoiler: 2. Kmenx
3. Chemist1422
4. qwertyuiopl
6. Nopingout
10. JamesD28
15. Jamezbeast
16. Jucktropy
18. TheWabbit
19. RedDragonHeart
20. Hibari1998
21. WitchHaven
22. Tarpleyhitt
23. Phone0ix
25. Ryanyb
27. rightodude
28. Dash2
29. Taylork2


you can't just remove yourself from the list, what is that illegal activity
by KoolKid777
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:12 am
 
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Topic: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Red Mafia Wins)
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Eragon1329 wrote:whoever it is its gonna be someone that doesn't do anything until F-7 and then finds one scum and calls everyone that wasn't alive at the time a loser


we need to get rid of him long before he has the chance to do that

by KoolKid777
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:07 am
 
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

FMLSheWas12 wrote:Instead of hunting for scum let's hunt for Stoldi.


foolish of you to assume that i'm not already doing it
by KoolKid777
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:04 am
 
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

i forgot how impatient i am with these kinds of games

GIVE ME MORE OR ELSE
by KoolKid777
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:00 am
 
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Tiltedcomedian wrote: Spoiler:
Eragon1329 wrote:A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, and I will never be rescinding. I am the cop. When it becomes prudent I will provide my check.

Benefits:

1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the cop. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the cop cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.

2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I've ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all Ihave to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I *know* that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not $#@! up and lynch me. Makes my life super awesome.

3. There are only 26 players you need to try to read, rather than 27: I have already provided a "free" check of me in a game with a mere 13 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:

The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the cop, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.

It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.

It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of doing this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt.


Eragon is Stoldi


love this theory
by KoolKid777
Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:50 am
 
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

EvilDeanius0 wrote:
KoolKid777 wrote:i'm gonna play this one laid back for now and give the kids a chance to shine

cya whenever i decide to claim lookout

Stop copying me


don't pretend like i would need to copy someone
by KoolKid777
Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:42 am
 
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

i'm gonna play this one laid back for now and give the kids a chance to shine

cya whenever i decide to claim lookout
by KoolKid777
Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:40 am
 
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Eragon1329 wrote:
KoolKid777 wrote:https://i.imgur.com/NE1GWTY.png


PL all newbies then


it's not safe to assume that stoldi isn't someone who is not prominent in the community, for now anybody who wasn't in the previous game can be stoldi
by KoolKid777
Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:17 am
 
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