Rickdaily12 wrote:2. Again, this wasn't a read. You're completely missing the context of the question asked. I don't have a read on Goomba- hindsight? He's null at very best to me.
The question addressed to me was: "Rick, what were your thoughts about the wagon on me?"
Between Goomba and Zucker, Zucker was the one trying harder to get Dash lynched. But yes, I absolutely despise the way he's been handling himself this game, and if you think this is me trying to push an easy mislynch and not trying to hear him out, I don't know what else I can tell you.
And actually, most of that makes sense. I assumed this was supposed to be a push on both Zucker and Grumpy, which felt incredibly iffy, especially interaction-vise… :/ I’m not so confident in this now…
Rickdaily12 wrote:Confidence is a sign of being Town, but refusal to address your mistakes in your posts and adjust yourself when confronted is just textbook VI. His post trying to set up the lynch between Dash and Flake so early into the game still pisses me off. He addresses this by pretty much saying "I'm certain that Dash is scum, but if he's Town we can just lynch Flake after" without addressing the case at all where both can be Town.
I don't dislike your reluctance to scum read him. I dislike your disapproval for my lack of Town reading him. I'm not going to reward bad behavior when there's real consequences for the bad ideas he's pushing, and it doesn't make it any easier for me to read him when he doesn't seem to care about issues people keep bringing up to him about his posts. If you're trying to convince me to Town read him, I don't think you have a basis to besides your gut, but right now, I don't agree.
The "Rick just wants the easy ML" bit also feels really extreme for what was going on here as well, and I'm not liking that jump either.
Let me repeat my read.
YES, Zuck’s reads are garbage. He seemed to want to convince others to vote with him, while being completely uninterested in making any sort of case, and pushed dash for a long time, with ridiculous, unexplained confidence without rescinding or weakening his reads even after people started SRing him for it.
Funnily enough he kept “role/alt playing” (faking his tone and talking in 3’rd person just for shits and giggles) for the majority of the time, which makes his posts look tonally off, but probably implies that he thought “everything he’s done till now is ok and there’s no reason to worry”.
Can we agree that considering how nearly everyone reacted negatively to his reads and NO ONE seemed to want to sheep him, he HAD TO be aware that his actions make him look bad?
I haven’t seen seth play scum, but as town he seemed to care A LOT about the game and everything that happens around him, so I really doubt he’d suddenly stop doing that just because of rolling scum. He should have cared about people’s reads on him, he should have noticed and he should have changed his behavior as scum, because “looking townie” should be sth he gave a shit about.
I can see him shrugging off the SRs and acting ignorant as town though, especially if he really believed his read and didn’t care much about anything else.
The has nothing to do with “rewarding bad behavior”. YES, his posts are bad, but regardless if his strategy is good or not, it doesn’t change the fact that if there’s no scum-motivation for him doing that, it’s probably townie. You can call it TSTBS if you want to.
The read is absolutely not based on gut and honestly, I have no idea how did you even come to that conclusion after reading my posts.
If you think his behavior might come from either alignment and shouldn’t be TR in any way, talk to me about his scum motivation first.
