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TheDebil wrote:

ejjinami wrote:

TheDebil wrote:

TheDebil wrote:alright im finally getting to the game pls wait several hours

just reached page 10 pog
i am speed
so guys i see you pressuring grumpy here and i have come with my early game reads
i have a question:
yall have any specific allignment in mind, or do you just think grumpy is scummy in general?

the game has moved on, Grumpy is 99% not mafia and prob not SK
If you want to read, I suggest starting from page 20
That’s (around) when the fun stuff starts happening

well you will be happy to know that i have only read pages 1-18 and writing a readlist based on these pages just to have something behind my name
will probably end up skimming through the rest as fast as possible just so i can atleast be caught up before D2 ends and make a second readlist

/pat

Chemist1422 wrote:I'm not reading Rick until he gets back today and gives me his thoughts on the flips+his PoE

Waiting on Debil's catchup for that slot

fair, I guess

TheDebil wrote:

TheDebil wrote:alright im finally getting to the game pls wait several hours

just reached page 10 pog
i am speed
so guys i see you pressuring grumpy here and i have come with my early game reads
i have a question:
yall have any specific allignment in mind, or do you just think grumpy is scummy in general?

the game has moved on, Grumpy is 99% not mafia and prob not SK
If you want to read, I suggest starting from page 20
That’s (around) when the fun stuff starts happening

Actually, everyone could answer the last one

I really think I want to lynch tfio there
and besides rick (whom I still haven't tried to read, lol), I think Debil might be the only player I don't have a read on

GrumpyGoomba wrote:You can't just bloody slap some quotes on your wall and then expect them to somehow explain what you want. Take each and every single one of the quotes that you have posted and explain how they make the ones you accused look scummy, because from what I can see you are just manipulating TvT interactions to appear TvS in case of dead towns and the dead mafia quotes don't even make any sense.

if you say, the reads are scummy, I absolutely disagree.

Seththeking wrote:Ok so I just had this whole thing and I just deleted it so I don’t want to do that all over again.
Anyway, Ejji made good points of GG being lamist and GrumpyGoomba Voted for Cupcake after they were outted and said something very odd before it but I can’t remember what it was.
But you know what guys. ISO Both Ejji And GG your darn selfs and you will see what I mean stop being like chemist and trying to get others to answer and actually ISO yourself.

hush up as well, you’re getting emotional. Talk to me about tfio and Proto

Chemist1422 wrote:

ejjinami wrote:Ok, it might be a bit hypocritical coming from me, but don’t bully seth. Those are still prob the most reasonable reads he’s given since the start of the game and it’s not like they can be perfect from the very start. It wouldn’t be a stretch to say that he’s just as uninformed as Debil because of all that tunneling, so maybe it might be worth to actually talk instead of just shitting on them.

Wasn't intending on bullying, just trying to get him to explain how he reached his conclusions

well, yeah, I was mostly talking to grumpy

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Sry

/pat

Kreaal wrote:

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Indeed. Then go find actually scum instead of painting people as scum.

You seem awfully fast to defend yourself there.

I'm starting to feel it might be normal for them.

Ok, it might be a bit hypocritical coming from me, but don’t bully seth. Those are still prob the most reasonable reads he’s given since the start of the game and it’s not like they can be perfect from the very start. It wouldn’t be a stretch to say that he’s just as uninformed as Debil because of all that tunneling, so maybe it might be worth to actually talk instead of just shitting on them.

Kreaal wrote:Later I noticed that GrumpyGoomba casually votes for Cupcake and I also noticed Cupcake calling Ejji scummy at last Minute.
Furthermore I definitely can tell the last Mafia is in GG/Ejji.

Cupcake calling me scummy "for distancing" was shade. If you look at his posts, all of the ones he wrote after Dash's cop-claim are just shade on “probably townie" players.
He was intentionally trying to create bad interactions.

He called me scummy “for distancing”. That’s wifom as well and I have no way to prove he didn’t actually do that, but I feel that if he actually believed that people might start reading each other based on his posts, him incriminating his actual teammate, by claiming scum with them “in a serious post” and then distancing, would have been rather ballsy.

Just don’t read anyone based on anything he said there. He was obviously trying to frame the other players before his death, so making arguments based on it is risky.

Kreaal wrote:My last Culprit is TheDebil or Ejji

Not as strong with this one and couldn’t find anything that was off to me but definitely 2 Participants to consider.
However I’m leaning more Ejji.

Ejji and Cupcake Interactions. Spoiler:

cupcakeaj2 wrote:

ejjinami wrote:

cupcakeaj2 wrote:Hmmmm

Let's look at more ISOs.

just read the damn game, please.

I did.

And everybody said everything I was going to say.

cupcakeaj2 wrote:Yass

Ejji is suspicious for distancing

Furthermore, /Vote GrumpyGoomba

4. Why is tfio town?
I have already said that, but I think they’re very likely to be scum here (most probably mafia). Chemist has slipped as not-mafia, Grumpy’s votes on cupcake are really unlikely to come from SvS and I’m TRing the other players (especially you and Qvap) more than tfio.

Besides, tfio’s interactions with cup are terrible. Their only read on cup was the wishy-washy one D1 and the way they pushed both crimson and Cupcake at the same time, felt like they might have been simply too afraid to distance from cup, but too afraid to TR him either.
It’s really likely to be MvM imo.

or actually, wait, @Seth, why did you replace out?

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Mhmm, it's a revealed alt.

crap
was it revealed before he replaced in or just now?

Kreaal wrote:Alright so here we go.

My first culprit is Chemist

Dead Town Interactions:
Crimson: Spoiler:

Crimson97 wrote:

Chemist1422 wrote:Yeah I haven't liked Crimson's defense

It's not flaily per se, just like they're only invested in defending themselves and not solving

Well yeah, it's a defense. What do you think about my points?

Crimson97 wrote:I have been trying to figure out who of the people pushing me is scum. Chemist seems very quick to dismiss any argument i make instead of telling me why they're bad. I honestly feel like they were just looking for an excuse to vote me.

Dead Mafia Interactions:
Uzay Spoiler:

UzayAltay wrote:

Chemist1422 wrote:

Dash2 wrote:Chemist you're seriously not helping your case

I'm trying, okay?

You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.

Wait What This is completely wrong .
If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip
But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip
Than This is LAMIST
Which is FoS
Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI )
Happily take The cred from Flake
But refusing SRs
Actually This deserves A vote
But I Will Wait for your explanation

Additional Thoughts:
This is most probable to be the Serial Killer.

Next my second Culprit is GrumpyGoomba

Dead Town Interactions:

Dash2 Spoiler:

Dash2 wrote:

GrumpyGoomba wrote:I am most definitely not liking this response. My eyes are on you dash.

You literally said this one thing then nothing else and call it a reaction test?

That bit about you softing cit and discussing the plan also looks forced and awkward. I'm not taking that

Dash2 wrote:

Qvapil wrote:

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Anyways I will leave my vote on my strongest scumread for now.
/Vote Cupcake

Goomba and cupcake are not s/s

Heavy doubt

Dash2 wrote:

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Okay I have finally caught up with the thread. Did a cop check on me succeed? If not then don't claim. See people think that I am the sk. If I was the sk then

nice rolefish. We literally established yesterday SK can choose to be cop immune

Mafia Interaction:
Uzay Spoiler:

UzayAltay wrote:

GrumpyGoomba wrote:I hope that through some magical luck the cop check is on me and it succeeds and I am hopefully cleared.

8-)
Even without SK may be immune to This , directing cop to one target , or want to checked by cop is bad .

UzayAltay wrote:

Qvapil wrote:

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Anyways I will leave my vote on my strongest scumread for now.
/Vote Cupcake

Goomba and cupcake are not s/s

Tend to agree, but I Will prefer to say "probably not M/m"

Additional Thoughts: This is Probably the last Mafia

Ok, 1. why don’t you like the posts you quoted? How do they make them mafia or SK?

2. Grumpy voted cupcake twice. First time D1, just after SRing you and Cup with the same strength (in their read-list) and the 2’nd time D2, BEFORE Dash claimed cop and before there was any pressure to bus.
Yes, the votes might have looked random, but that should be even more indicative of it NOT being a bus.
Scum don’t tend to vote their scummates without a reason often. It’s unlikely to see them bus randomly, without any pressure, especially since the very start of the game. It just makes no sense.

And if scum, why do you think they haven’t voted for you? Quite a bit of people were SRing you at the time and nearly no one (except for dash) was SRing Cup, so IF grumpy was MvM with them, they could have just pushed an easy ML without any consequences.

And I really doubt Grump was trying to aim for “towncreed” because of the lack of explanations and lack of them interacting/pushing cupcake (especially D2).
They just left their vote and let cup get lynched on their own, which I really doubt should come from someone who’s trying to get TRd afterward.

3. Do you think Chemist should be more likely to forget about Dash’s townslip as town or scum?

Chemist1422 wrote:zuck and kreaal are the same person

Well, I thought so previously, but is it a revealed alt?

and give reads, please

tfiosforevah wrote:Okay guys, here’s a very important question

Due to the two kills n1 vs the 3 kills n2, are we thinking the vig was shut off or maf/vig hit night immune sk?

SK can be a townie player, if that’s what you’re getting at. There’s nothing stopping that from happening, so you should just be aware of the possibility while getting reads.
If you have a tinfoil about anyone townie, just say it. I don’t see the point of discussing the vig-kill.
Keep it to plain SRing, if possible.

Kreaal wrote:I’ll get back to this and give proper reads when I wake up, but I’d like to point out a couple of things before I take my leave.
First off, I feel Vigilante should reveal since Mafia can’t stop their attack and they get a free kill.
Secondly, I will be going through everyone’s ISO’s including those that didn’t vote Cupcake.
Thirdly, I’ll be looking at all the dead town members and all the dead mafia members to see if I can find anything out of the ordinary.
Lastly, I’ll be ISO pointing 3 participants I find most likely to flip the last 2 remaining scum slots.

Well, this might have been obvious because of zuck’s ignorant and carefree attitude anyway, but the thing about vig claiming prob doesn’t come from SK.
I don’t think they would have been likely to throw such an obvious vig-bait if they were aware of how illogical it is.

reading the dead townies’ isos might be a waste of time :/ but ok

I don’t actually know what to do in case of a town lynch, but I think the scums might want to consider helping us (especially the mafia if they think SK might have chosen mafia-immunity).

If both SK and Maf kill townies, we’ll end in 2:1:1, which would make the game INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT FOR MAF TO WIN. You’d have to shoot or lynch SK later anyway and trying to kill them off now instead of killing a townie WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU TO GET RID OF THEM BEFORE YOU GET TO A 1v1 WITH THEM.
Otherwise, if they chose Maf-immunity, YOU’LL LOSE IMMEDIATELY.

@Mafia, do the math yourself if you don’t trust me, it makes sense.
And it’s prob the only chance you’ll get to cooperate with the town as mafia without gamethrowing xD

More math…

Now: 6:1:1
If we lynch scum today: 5:1

If vig doesn’t shoot:
Next day: 4:1 => 2:1 (2 lynches, 50% that vig is alive in LyLo, shooting again will either result in the game ending in a tie, or we will lose if the last scum is SK and they chose town-immunity)

If they do shoot:
3:1 (immediate MyLo,1 vig shot + 1 lynch, 75% that vig is alive in MyLo and can shoot again next night)

If we lynch mafia (and SK is alive), I think Vig should refrain from shooting.
If SK is lynched today, Vig should shoot, cuz even if we ML, there’s a 75% chance that they’ll be alive and able to shoot in MyLo.

Hey @rick, what do you think of town!eragon’s scum-hunting?

Chemist1422 wrote:Six town (one vig), one mafia, one SK

If we mislynch and misshoot we're in LyLo if the vig dies and technical LyLo if the vig lives

Vig shouldn't be claiming unless they get wagoned

Now: 6:1:1
After a ML: 5:1:1
After N3 (2 scum kills and a mis-shot): 2:1:1

If the vig shoots town, dies and the scums don’t cross-kill, we’ll have no chance to win.
So depending on the situation we could be in lylo rn?

oh and hi @newseth'salt