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@0verk1ll, if you haven't already answered this, can you please confirm if SK basically can choose which switches to flip, or if he reverses all three as 1 charge?

Quickly bumping this out of spoiler so that 0ver sees this ^

Spoiler:

Dash2 wrote:@eragon

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Since I am already getting scumread I guess there goes my idea of claiming a pr to waste the mafia/sk night kill on me down the drain...

This post literally shouldn't make sense from town. No town member ever just reveals a plan like that.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Sigh... I know I am being extremely frustrating to deal with and I hate it. I just didn't know what else to do save claim my role and just come clean since I am town so I should have nothing to hide. Y'all are gonna hate me when flip town and thus I'm ashamed of myself. -_-

Another post that shouldn't come from town, emphasis on the hard AtE doesn't sit right

GrumpyGoomba wrote:I hope that through some magical luck the cop check is on me and it succeeds and I am hopefully cleared.

Post here is unnatural from town and makes me believe two things
1. It's an attempt at AtE to get the cop to not check
2. Goomba's the SK and chose cop immunity

This earns a ! from me. I totally forgot that the SK could become cop immune in this game, and didn't think of that when reading these. This actually makes way too much sense.

Yeah, so Eragon, I really don't think I agree on your Goomba read, then.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:It's the opposite about 1 actually, I WANTED the cop to check me so that I would be cleared. About 2, my dumbass just didn't read the cop part in the vig/cop immunity choice and that's why I made that stupid statement.

Responses in bold.

Okay, so now it's a !!!

Anyone else think that this was an attempt to get us to think that he was trying to slip not being SK with this?

Dash2 wrote:AtE = Attack through Empathy. Basically when you try to use emotion to gain towncred

Close, but not quite. It's Appeal to Emotion. It generally means that instead of using logic and reason to get your way, you use emotions and plead with others to sympathize with you enough to vote/perform actions that are more favorable to you.

Flake wrote:

Dash2 wrote:Flake I heavily disagree on Rick due to the fact that he has broughten up numerous points on potential issues when facing scum. Scum wouldn't speculate on all this for the sake of blending in, due to the fact that it won't favor them in the long run.

See above

I really don't see how speculating on whether SK or Mafia would be good to lynch first is something that would harm him much in the long run since it's relatively unlikely town will have the decent option to differentiate between SK and Mafia and thus choose between SK and Mafia in a gamestate, and even if there were such an opportunity town would just speculate then anyways

For the same reason I don't really see how speculating on that would help that much at all for town but w/e, i'd probably push a similar point as scum for towncred lol

unless you have other progressions in mind which you think are unlikely to come from scum!rick?

Flake, what do you make of my responses to Qvapil, then? Do you disagree with my basis to Town read him? And did you really walk into this game with such a clear mind of what Town should be doing in this game that you felt the question wasn't worth asking at all?

multiple Uzay posts wrote:-snip-

The bunch of this feels more fluffy to me and less helpful as a whole. Uzay, have your reads evolved much since you've last caught up?

Dash2 wrote:Visualize

SK charge: 8

SK uses charge
Mafia switches used: 2

SK now has 6 charges

Ok now I'm confused again. Did 0verk1ll not say that the only change he made to the SK's card was that the SK was free to use 1 charge per switch of his choice, and wasn't limited to only changing 1 switch per night? Because during signups, the original SK card said something to that effect.

@0verk1ll, if you haven't already answered this, can you please confirm if SK basically can choose which switches to flip, or if he reverses all three as 1 charge?

Dash2 wrote:

Each night phase, you may reverse the state of all switches. This will trigger the opposite outcome of how the mafia have left a switch. This will also use up a charge of the switcher if they used it.

Dash, this still runs into the "this game is never going to reach Night 8" point that I brought up with 0ver before the game started. I'm pretty sure what he told us was that each switch the SK targets consumes a charge, and the SK is free to choose which switch they want to target.

Honestly, I don't even know anymore. Trying to night plan around the switches is just impossible anyway, so I don't even know why we're bothering with this at this point.

Flake wrote:i would guess they can switch and kill in the same night

I'm nearly dead sure 0ver confirmed this too.

tfiosforevah wrote:I’m okay with either a cupcake Lynch or a crimson lynch, proto zigg should never be lynched at this point in this case since their slot is unreadable at the moment due to inactivity , hopefully a more active player replaces in

As to crimson and cupcake, they have both been actively inactive, crimson moreso than cupcake, by posting barely anything helpful from a townie perspective. IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either

So, just to clarify, you're against lynching inactive players, but only the ones who post helpful things from a townie perspective? Like, what?

They're inactive. They're not posting ANYTHING. I don't understand what differences you're trying to draw upon here.

ProtoZigg wrote:Shut up you're dead
/Vote tfios

jfc

Flake wrote:i feel like voting uzay, town reading him, acknowledging you're still voting him and not removing the vote might be too reckless to be coming from scum though?????

like what

Um, can you try writing this again, but like, in a more legible way? You're saying you want to vote one of your town reads?

ejjinami wrote:

Rickdaily12 wrote:

tfiosforevah wrote:You can take my claim seriously, or not, either way i never know how to enter so the naturalness doesn’t really indicate my alignment lol

I wish tfios didn't approach every game exactly like this.
sigh.gif

this feels like reverse-shade… if it even makes sense

???

ejjinami wrote:

Rickdaily12 wrote:I STILL don't like his acknowledge to Dash at the very end that his posting quality was bad.

Why?

Because if he's fully aware that he's making poor quality posts that are going to get him in trouble, then why is he making them? As Town, it's fine to be brave and put your wild thoughts out there, but if you know that people are going to react in a way that's going to put you in more danger of being killed by the Town, it's probably because he knows that the posts are anti-town in nature and shouldn't be making them in the first place.

Town should be endeavoring themselves to make good quality posts that at worst get reacted to by "can you please explain further", and not "this looks poor and scummy".

ejjinami wrote:Let me repeat my read.
-snip-
I haven’t seen seth play scum, but as town he seemed to care A LOT about the game and everything that happens around him, so I really doubt he’d suddenly stop doing that just because of rolling scum. He should have cared about people’s reads on him, he should have noticed and he should have changed his behavior as scum, because “looking townie” should be sth he gave a shit about.

I can see him shrugging off the SRs and acting ignorant as town though, especially if he really believed his read and didn’t care much about anything else.

The has nothing to do with “rewarding bad behavior”. YES, his posts are bad, but regardless if his strategy is good or not, it doesn’t change the fact that if there’s no scum-motivation for him doing that, it’s probably townie. You can call it TSTBS if you want to.

But who has even seen his scum play, anyway? Does Chemist, of all people, truly even know what to expect what he'd do as one?

Fine, if your stance here is that TSTBS, this is absolutely a logical stance to take, but you have to remember that just because someone is posting like a total VI and not giving a damn about the consequences about posting as said VI, doesn't make them obvious town by virtue of terrible posting. I've seen people try to bang on the way people react to them and try to pass it off as TSTBS VI before. fwogcarf was probably the most recent example of this in Purgatory 2. Fwog made terrible posts around the clock and people threatened to lynch him for doing it NONSTOP right up until he got lynched, and we pretty much did it knowing full well that we couldn't let him live to Judgment Day (and also, forced to choose between fwog/Phone, Phone looked WAY better as Town than fwog looked like a convincing VI)

Look, before we go any further, I just want to reiterate that I don't want to lynch Zucker today. My god, I hope we can clear him somehow, I hope we can Cop him before the Cop dies without even so much as a green check without switch hell ruining that chance for us. But you have to realize that, whether or not Zucker is Town or Scum, the Mafia plan is going to revolve around us putting him in the f3 to decide then if we lynch him or not. Or worse, bet on him screwing it up in the end and have him vote the wrong person.

But just because you see him as TSTBS, and just because you don't see what purposes his posts bring for scum, does not mean there isn't any chance of him being scum. Hell, Ejj, if I had Seth on my Mafia team, I'd tell him to pretty much ignore his role card and be exactly how he is, because I would totally see the way he approaches the game frustrating everyone to the point that they just VI read and ignore him. If he survives to see f3, it would be completely plausible for everyone else to assume it was because Scum wanted him alive to bury the Town. That's how Scum approaches having someone like fwog or Seth on your team- you let them do what they always do, because Town, without a way of clearing that person, both won't want to have to deal with that person, and Scum will let these people live to the very end to frustrate everyone.

If you are trying to argue to me that TBTBS should be cause to NOT Scum Read him, I 100% fully agree with you. It is NOT cause to Town Read him. If you are not scolding me for refusing to drop a TR on Zucker, then we can move on. Otherwise, understand, that VIs who continue to act like VIs in every game already have a meta that works wonderfully for them as Scum. If Town constantly ignores VIs because they always assume that the person is posting the dumbest things to ever be Mafia, then that's how surprises happen the one day the VI finally gets a scum card.

Why can't you see him shrugging off SRs as Scum and being ignorant to everyone's complaints about him? He already gleefully does this as Town under threat of lynch.

ejjinami wrote:And you’re misreading my post. I didn’t say that you were aiming for an easy ML just because of SRing Zuck, the read I posted previously was mostly based on interactions and on the way you defended Grumpy.
-snip-

Okay, so here. You didn't realize I was playing hypothetical with Dash and not pushing an actual read of Goomba/Zucker at the time, so you're retracting most of the rest of this as a result. I didn't realize that this point was in counter to an actual defense of Goomba and an attempted push against Zucker, so I probably overreacted here as well. Should we just call it a wash?

I think regarding here we're just at a point where we've blown something up over a misread.
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Spoiler: Okay, so I'm just going to start blatantly by ignoring Zucker x Dash (and by proxy Zucker wanting Flake x Dash) until tomorrow at the earliest. Will add that Zucker's self-meta was also disgusting and I'm not going to agree with Chemist on the read right now, but that's not my concern for today. I easily see worlds where all three are Town here so I'm not going to dive into this.

Qvapil wrote:Thanks for clarifying, but I don't understand how you can read people based on how they view the setup. Town can just not be bothered to think and depend on the stronger players to do the analysis, while scum can try to push their agenda. How would you expect scum to answer you?

I don't. That's not the point of the question. The point of the question was two-pronged.

One, who has the better idea of how to actually handle this game? I didn't, or I least I don't feel that I do, because I think the setup is too complicated to definitively say what the best options for Town are objectively. But two, I asked this question to mindmeld with people and see who seems more trustworthy as a result of the question. Your answer struck me the most, it was the answer that seemed less fakeable and came from more genuinely concerned Town. It wasn't designed to slip Scum (how can it do this?), it was designed to help me PoE by finding more honest Town.

Qvapil wrote:

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Sigh... I know I am being extremely frustrating to deal with and I hate it. I just didn't know what else to do save claim my role and just come clean since I am town so I should have nothing to hide. Y'all are gonna hate me when flip town and thus I'm ashamed of myself. -_-

If you're town you should have more to offer than just your role. When you have time could you share your thoughts on some of the players, or make a readslist? Ignore the fact you're being scumread and just talk with us.

+
Being defeatist is just frustrating and it's just AtE, not helping at all. And again, neither is the openly admitting that you could be making better posts.

Qvapil wrote:

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Anyways I will leave my vote on my strongest scumread for now.
/Vote Cupcake

Goomba and cupcake are not s/s

They're probably not MvM. I don't THINK that they're SvS (due to the wide push so far by everyone to get one of these two killed), but SK being in the game complicates saying lock TvS at worst. They probably do have at least one Town member, though.

Eragon1329 wrote:Could also be teammystic set to female that rick remembers lol

Who?

Dash2 wrote:I'm gonna be real here, a 42 hour total prod time is too much for a game with 48 hours in a day

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Eragon1329 wrote:

Zucker wrote:Scum Reads: at least one scum in Flake, Dash and Chemist.

scumreads

At least one in ____
good job
you just pulled the prospective percentages of pugnacious scum baseline

Normally I'd disagree with you about this, especially because it's Zucker saying it, however his list given is just pure shit. The first person I'd look here at is Chemist, but I still think Chemist just acts as loremaster of meta when Town. I might be being too nice to him, but I don't like Zucker's endless repeat of this.

Flake's Meta Read of Rick wrote:-snip-

I'm not going to self-meta this.

Eragon1329 wrote:Goomba- I used this tell on another player in an NFM, when it was their first game, and just the effort and like, putting the knowledge into it and just trying and making reads and all that
is very very very towny for what would be a level 1 wolf

Could you elaborate more on this? I'm struggling to read Goomba, and this is just lost on me.
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Hey. I'm here now, feeling much better than I did last night.

Catching up now.

Just popping in to let everyone know, I planned on being on and about tonight, but that was before I had a migraine come on. I can barely think straight even with 800 mgs of Ibuprofen. So that's fun. So I'm just going to go to bed and try to sleep this off.

I might not be on until later in the afternoon unlees my plans get cancelled again, so don't expect me for a little while.

Good night, everyone.

Flake wrote:ask me qs and i'll respond tomorrow i sleep now

Are you even going to directly engage me, or what have I done that's provoked you into not bothering?
Why did Chemist drop in your reads?
Because I'm still trying to sort it out, what do you make of cupcake's entry into the thread, and Eragon's re-entry?

(fuck, that was not supposed to be posted yet and I was going to attach a spoiler to that guys, really sorry)

Still catching up.

UzayAltay wrote:The thing is not Everyone , Mafia has to free one PR .
Or they just cant kill
If they Dont kill , We can just no-lynch , and net gain is 1 night .

Look, Uzay, I'm probably the king of No-Lynch advocacy. If you want someone to pitch why No Lynch is a good idea for the Town in any given game with proven stats and reasons as to why No Lynch is objectively the safest play for the Town, I will always be that person to make that argument for you.

And, trust me- in this game, there is NO ARGUMENT for No Lynching in this game. Even once we reach 6v1 and Town has Cop-Doctor left standing, it's still probably the wrong move this game around, and we're probably never going to see those kinds of numbers in this game with all the night kills that can happen.

Eragon1329 wrote:WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK IM DEVIOUS AS A MAFIA
I ONLY WAS TOWNREAD BECAUSE I BUSSED RUTHLESSLY

sorry rick had to do it

also why does Crimson's... erm... eh eh... entrance
seem towny?

:3

I said I liked how he entered. He came in at the time and more or less seemed jumpy and paranoid, he stopped memeing and started engaging people in serious conversation pretty fast. He hasn't been on a whole lot since then, but it stood out at the time.

Flake wrote:

Eragon1329 wrote:

Flake wrote:-snip-

why is rick scum???

I hate not being able to state my reasons but it really is more beneficial if I don't say, I don't want rick to be able to adapt to my reasoning

If the trend follows as the game progresses my read on him likely becomes stronger

...Okay. I'm not playing this game with you.

Give me reasons and a way to explain myself or I'm just going to chalk this up to you making assumptions about my playstyle. It's not the first time someone's done this about "my trends" and I'm not going to engage with it this time. If you have issue with something I've said, explain what is pinging you, or admit this is a gut read.

Otherwise I'm just going to ignore this and continue doing what I'm doing. I don't "adapt" myself to people's preferences, because fuck literally everything about that.

ejjinami wrote:

Rickdaily12 wrote:Just quickly skimming back into the thread again, Goomba just seems like a bit of noise. Doesn't seem too opportunistic for me right now, or at least, I didn't see him taking any strong stance unless I'm skimming too hard. Normally this would be more annoying, but again, the game is still pretty fresh and I can forgive that sort of thing right now. I think Zucker has been a bit more opportunistic in comparison to Goomba as it stands.

:c
I absolutely disagree… I really don’t like that read
All of grumpy’s posts being fluff and them reading the thread, but only responding to stuff unrelated to scum-hunting should be scum-indicative, their posts are tonally bad and I see no reason to forgive that, regardless of how much time has passed.
And how the heck can Grumpy be opportunistic if he doesn’t push anyone at all?

Your stance makes no sense. I strongly disagree with the read and I really don’t like you pushing an alternative “easy ML” in the same post for no exact reason. Actually, it feels like you wrote about Grumpy not being opportunistic just so that you could start talking about Zucker. It makes little sense otherwise
Idk if I’m overthinking it, but oh god, I really, really, REALLY dislike that post.

I’m getting more and more tempted to lynch grumpy today…

1. I'll start by answering the question at the end. Goomba wasn't opportunistic at all, that was my entire point as to why I didn't think he was trying to start a wagon on Dash like Dash asked me at the time. Dash asked me about a wagon on him that formed that I never saw did.
As for the rest of this, yeah, pretty fair, especially now that I can actually ISO Goomba now, as opposed to frantically skimming the whole thread for his posts fresh out of bed. And you're right, his posting quality is shit. I don't like the fluff. I STILL don't like his acknowledge to Dash at the very end that his posting quality was bad.
Your point about the nature of his posts being anti-Town is ultimately totally solid, Ejj, but in complete and total fairness, that's not how people here play. If I lynched everyone for fluffing and posting nothing of substance when a game started, I'd be scum leaning a lot of people who play Town here.

2. Again, this wasn't a read. You're completely missing the context of the question asked. I don't have a read on Goomba- hindsight? He's null at very best to me.
The question addressed to me was: "Rick, what were your thoughts about the wagon on me?"
Between Goomba and Zucker, Zucker was the one trying harder to get Dash lynched. But yes, I absolutely despise the way he's been handling himself this game, and if you think this is me trying to push an easy mislynch and not trying to hear him out, I don't know what else I can tell you.

Have to step out for a bit. Will be back in a few hours.

Dash2 wrote:goddamn we'd have to lynch the mafia cop first in order to stand a chance at winning

Yep, until the Mafia Cop/Doctor switches are dead, we're pretty screwed.

I almost didn't join because of it and that's why I begged for either more citizens or a Town switch role, but no dice.

Dash2 wrote:WAIT
IF MAFIA VIG DIES THAT MEANS ONE OF THE MAFIA WILL HAVE TO GIVE UP THEIR ACTION TO KILL

I'M BIG DUM

Yeah, but of the three switches, we probably want the Cop switch dead the most. Doctor will probably miss or not matter with Vig/Mafia/SK running around, and Vig usually does more harm than good for the Town anyway.


Hi ejj, btw o/

@0verkill, can a Mafia member use their switch action as well as perform the factional kill?

I guess the answer will at least settle this much.

Oh, my bad, the person who suggested D1 SK lynch then back off pending outcome was Chemist.

I still like Qva's answer more though and I think his reasoning and concern are pure coming from Town.

Dash2 wrote: Spoiler: Mafia Cop Switch
Welcome . You are the Mafia Cop Switch , along with your partners, [Player Name] and [Player Name].

Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here (Link)
Factional kill: Each night phase, one of you or your partners may perform the factional kill providing they aren't also using their switch.
Cop Switch: You may use the Cop Switch 3 times at night to deactivate the Cop for the night. Note: it's possible that the SK could reverse your decision.

You win when the Mafia obtain a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Mafia Doctor Switch
Welcome. You are the Mafia Doctor Switch, along with your partners, [Player Name] and [Player Name].

Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here (link)
Factional kill: Each night phase, one of you or your partners may perform the factional kill providing they aren't also using their switch.
Doctor Switch: You may use the Doctor Switch 3 times at night to deactivate the Doctor for the night. Note: it's possible that the SK could reverse your decision.

You win when the Mafia obtain a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring.


Mafia Vigilante Switch
Welcome. You are the Mafia Vigilante Switch , along with your partners, [Player Name] and [Player Name].


Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here (Link)
Factional kill: Each night phase, one of you or your partners may perform the factional kill providing they aren't also using their switch.
Vig Switch: You may use the Vig Switch 3 times at night to deactivate the Vig for the night. Note: it's possible that the SK could reverse your decision.

You win when the Mafia obtain a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Nowhere in the rolecards does it imply you can do both actions, so I'm gonna assume that you have to choose one or the other. There's essentially no real reason for Mafia Vig to not shoot, so that's already giving up one switch. As for Mafia cop, information is vital to them, so not using their cop is also a waste. That brings us down to the Mafia doctor. This one kind of depends on the situation, but I can see the switch being used here.

Oh, so then Mafia has to give up one of their night switches to perform the kill?

Then don't they basically always turn off Cop and Doctor once SK dies? Vig might shoot Mafia, but daring that Vig to start shooting when there's no one to go on other than their own reads still doesn't sound all that much better for us unless we get really lucky.

Dash2 wrote:Rick I think you're misreading the rolecards

Uh, why's that?

Zucker wrote:Answers Question.
Gets “you still haven’t answered it!”

So you've answered why you think it's impossible or unlikely that Flake and Dash are TvT to you? Because I've been waiting for you to quote that question at me.

If you did answer already, I missed it, and sorry, but I don't think you did.

Qvapil wrote:Unless you want to metaread them, but still shouldn't we respect the fact that it's an alt? If it is one. I don't know how you guys deal with alts around here, so correct me if this isn't a problem.

It's really not a problem anymore now that he outed himself. The only real issue is the meta basis- Seth might be new to FM and all, but there are tricks and tips he's learning not to do around here, and feigning ignorance to those tips isn't going to be an excuse he can carry with himself forever.

That, and he's still ignoring my question.

Chemist, why is this his Town meta again?

Qvapil wrote:

Rickdaily12 wrote:

Qvapil wrote:I was thinking a bit about the setup, and I believe lynching SK early benefits us simply because we reduce kpn. It's true that the prs are under mafia's control at that point but once we find a mafia member we'll have more options. I think having more townies alive (by reducing kpn) is more important than the prs, though take this with a grain of salt since I haven't played anything like this before.

Whether or not you agree with the course of action, this post screams Town to me. Doesn't feel coached to me either.

You suggested keeping the SK alive earlier, and everyone that has responded to you so far disagreed. What do you think about what we said?

I think that you're right in that it depends. It's still difficult to say- the moment the SK dies, everyone in the Town becomes a Citizen until Day 4. That's pretty brutal, considering that three night kills where everyone is vanilla allows Mafia to kill the PRs and we're left stuck trying to clean up the aftermath of it all. Lynching SK now to preserve the number of dead Town each night is ideal, but unless we can hit them today, which is unlikely, I can't help but feel like Mafia is the big threat all game long for everyone.

The reason I asked this question was to test the waters on how everyone else feels about it, though. I like what I got from it.

Qvapil wrote:I was thinking a bit about the setup, and I believe lynching SK early benefits us simply because we reduce kpn. It's true that the prs are under mafia's control at that point but once we find a mafia member we'll have more options. I think having more townies alive (by reducing kpn) is more important than the prs, though take this with a grain of salt since I haven't played anything like this before.

Whether or not you agree with the course of action, this post screams Town to me. Doesn't feel coached to me either.

Rickdaily12 wrote:

Zucker wrote:At least Flake is giving detail to back up what he’s done. ^_^
Dash Refuses to give Detail
Dash states stuff with no actual context
Dash doesn’t even look like they want to actually help town
Dash should be lynched today, if Flake is still very scummy tomorrow then we can definitely vote them.

Zucker, seriously, you're turning into a walking case example now.

Rickdaily12 wrote: Spoiler: If someone tries to impose a gladiator on a conflict without good reason, you want to pressure that person. You ESPECIALLY want to do this if the person in question isn't confirmed to be Town yet. TvT conflicts happen all the time, but Mafia love when they do, because they can more easily let you keep looking at that conflict waiting for you to decide if you're going to kill into that conflict or egg someone into demanding that someone in that duo/trio/whatever dies.
If people don't have hard evidence that there is Scum in a conflict, people shouldn't be eager to lynch in the issue. Short of having a parity cop check or a confirmed Town which confirms a liar in the pair, if all two people are doing is having a heated argument that really flares up, it could just be temper and ego. At the end of the day, it isn't alignment indicative purely on that basis alone, despite how distracting it just was. Town aren't flawless either, obviously, so sometimes two people just really derail the thread with their argument but turn out to be on the same side. Chances are, you aren't going to know if that conflict has scum unless you have direct evidence to the contrary.
So if all of a sudden, someone shouts "someone in that pair is getting lynched today!" (especially if the Day Phase isn't ending for 24 or more hours...)
You should probably ask that person why they're so certain that the conflict isn't TvT in the first place. Their answer will probably be at least telling.
Keep an open eye out for people who disappeared once the argument started, or just sort of let everything explode out of control and more or less encourage people to take sides on a hypothetical lynch in that pair. Anyone without a solid reason as to why the conflict is certain to be not TvT should have great reasons for it, or looked at for pushing this.

Why are Dash and Flake never TvT to you?

Bumping for Seth's sake, as he's still not answering the question.

Dash2 wrote:

Rickdaily12 wrote:

Dash2 wrote:By the way Rick, you said Flake was townie if I'm not mistaken, but besides getting into 2 arguments I can't really find much on him that's AI

It's more a meta read. Flake seems really natural and his progression feels pure to me. I agree that if we talk strictly about the substance that you wouldn't find much there, but based on how I've seen Flake carry himself in other games then he seems exactly like I normally see him to me.

I see. I got confused for a second.

Rickdaily12 wrote: From her point of view

Ok rick lowkey I have no idea why my gender was set on female but I'm actually a guy

As someone who screws up gender literally every person I meet, I make a point to check these things more often. <_<

Zucker wrote:

Flake wrote:can you stop pretending to not be seth it's annoying

How did you know though? :/

You really want to know, Seth? Well, for one thing, people don't fixate enough on you to say this:

Zucker wrote:Dash is only saying Phone is Town because scum wants someone to follow them! ^_^
Qva did it to Seththeking and it worked on him. ^_^

So yeah, you basically told us yourself.

Dash2 wrote:By the way Rick, you said Flake was townie if I'm not mistaken, but besides getting into 2 arguments I can't really find much on him that's AI

It's more a meta read. Flake seems really natural and his progression feels pure to me. I agree that if we talk strictly about the substance that you wouldn't find much there, but based on how I've seen Flake carry himself in other games then he seems exactly like I normally see him to me.

Zucker wrote:

Dash2 wrote:guys let me know when zucker isn't being useless I'm blocking him now

Isn’t it illegal to block someone participating?

It's called a Foe list. From her point of view, it's going to squish everything you post down to a spoiler and make it either to read without having to read your posts (without wanting to).

And no, it's not illegal. It's widely encouraged regarding how to deal with someone you don't like around here.

Zucker wrote:

Rickdaily12 wrote:Yeah, never mind. Zucker is definitely Seth, and that all about confirms that it's the case.

I'm definitely not impressed with his handling of the game so far, then. =/

Yeah I tend to brake character... ^_^

I just play like that though.
I read until I find a post I don’t like and go off on it and accuse that person.
What’s wrong with that play?
Doesn’t mean I’m not down to vote others but Dash is definitely not Town.

You're still outwardly ignoring a question I've asked you.

If you've read the thread at all, you'd know the one I'm referring to.

Yeah, never mind. Zucker is definitely Seth, and that all about confirms that it's the case.

I'm definitely not impressed with his handling of the game so far, then. =/

Flake omg stop xD

Dash2 wrote:first friendly reminder of the game that spoiler tag exists so can we stop clogging the thread with long quote chains

What? But... but you're using Franziska as your avatar...

She always loves to point out how I don't have any evidence when I bluff the shit out of her prove that I know what happened.

(but tbr yeah this is why I like to either trim relevant quote chains or spoiler them when they get too big)

Dash2 wrote:

Chemist1422 wrote:

Dash2 wrote:first friendly reminder of the game that spoiler tag exists so can we stop clogging the thread with long quote chains

Oh did you not hear

They got rid of spoilers for non-trusted

WHAT
WHY
WTF

Oh, right, I forgot this was a thing too.

Yeah, being NCM was not a fun experience at all.

Flake wrote:

Phone0Ix wrote:

Flake wrote:

Phone0Ix wrote:Does Flake do things like this when hes scum? Idk tbh

Feels townie though

yes i do probably

Bon bon Flake passes test, saying a thing he did could come from scum!Flake!

Flake feels townie

i probs do that as scum too

case in point