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Dash2 wrote:

UzayAltay wrote:

Dash2 wrote:Visualize this

Cop: On
Doc: On
Vig: Off

If no SK interference, it stays like this. If there is SK interference, the switches are reversed

This Dont feel geniune .

I was literally explaining to eragon how the system works

Eragon1329 wrote:Ok

So it’s a complete switch

Thanks

Yes ok this game is like
WIFOM
but both wines are poison

P-edit: honesty I’m just doing it to make a point and Becuase I haven’t fully caught up yet

Dash2 wrote:Visualize this

Cop: On
Doc: On
Vig: Off

If no SK interference, it stays like this. If there is SK interference, the switches are reversed

Eragon1329 wrote:Wait what the hell

I’m still confused about the switch stuff

So let’s say a hypothetical
Mafia chooses to switch vigilante and cop off
But keep doctor

Serial killer can turn specific ones off and on, or they have to do ALL or NONE?
So let’s say serial killer switches
Does it become
-doc blocked
-cop/vigi unblocked?

Or

Is it whichever specific ones the serial killer chooses?

GrumpyGoomba wrote:I hope that through some magical luck the cop check is on me and it succeeds and I am hopefully cleared.

Dash2 wrote:If cupcake is scum he's likely not the same alignment as Goomba because of goomba's vote. It's possible we've found our SK

Zucker wrote:

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Welp ofcourse it isn't. I believe it to be a T/S with me as the T.

I think Cupcake is Town and potentially Doctor.
I’m not voting our PR.
If Cupcake dose get lynched and you don’t push anyone on the Wagon then I might just stop actually trying.
I won’t even Death Tunnel anymore.
Because at that point you want Town to lose not win.
So I’ll have a loss to my FM Record because for some reason Town wants a nice loss.
I can clearly see that some stuff Dash has said Town would never say but you all for some reason aren’t believing it.
So if Cupcake dose get Lynched and SK stops Mafia Switch. Vigilante Shoot Dash.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Welp ofcourse it isn't. I believe it to be a T/S with me as the T.

Zucker wrote:

ProtoZigg wrote:Having my own mini meme phase as I missed day start

/Vote zucker

Great reasoning! ^_^

Qvapil wrote:

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Anyways I will leave my vote on my strongest scumread for now.
/Vote Cupcake

Goomba and cupcake are not s/s

Qvapil wrote:

Chemist1422 wrote:

Dash2 wrote:

Chemist1422 wrote:

Dash2 wrote:Crimson here's the thing though. If SK dies D1 Mafia has no reason to not use the cop and doc switches, and unless they want to game throw there's no reason for all of them to use the switches at once

I'm not crimson

Shut you know what I meant

Still doesn't change the fact that we're in a townsided mountainous

Mountainous?

Qvapil wrote:

UzayAltay wrote:

Flake wrote:does jord ever fake a townslip like that

i doubt it

scum never overlooks info on switches since they all actively partake in using them so

jord is like always town probably

I want to open A paranthesis , he only slipped not Maf .
Even though I am leaning on town , he can be SK .

Why do you guys think it's towny to not read the op? Scum can misread and not pay attention too. They don't have to tryhard immediately either.

Dash2 wrote:

ejjinami wrote:

Dash2 wrote:Assuming the SK is dead, mafia can just as easily use their cop to narrow down who is citizen and who is not, while the vig goes and shoots whoever

PFFFFFFFFFT XD
Oh god, this is too wrong to be fake
It’s possible that dash genuinely thought about that “before getting a scum RC” and is just repeating his pre-game thoughts, but the conversation feels sooooo natural…
The slip is pretty btw

Shit you caught me

Qvapil wrote:

Dash2 wrote:Also given the SK's switches don't go down unless the Mafia used a switch makes this setup even more confusing

Oh I didn't notice that. I think you guys were right then and it's better to find mafia first. I thought SK could keep our prs off even if we killed maf. But either way, and seeing how many cit claims we have (regardless if we take them seriously or not), the prs have to survive a bit for them to do anything and with 2 kpn we just have to hope the sk townsides.

GrumpyGoomba wrote:I have finally skimmed through the happenings of yesterday given my abysmal net rn. It seems like I have made some bad plays and in turn have ended up getting scumread by a majority of the active people in here.

To answer some of the matters addressed about me,
My response on dash replying with a simple no to flake's call for elaboration was not meant as a push at all but a reaction test to see how she would respond. And it seems to have spectacularly backfired on me.

My confession of not having done much wasn't worded right. I meant to say I haven't done as much as I would've liked to have done. I guess I can't use my train trip as an excuse since that would count as angleshooting and I do not intend on doing so as well.

Since I am already getting scumread I guess there goes my idea of claiming a pr to waste the mafia/sk night kill on me down the drain...

I will now go iso dive and have some reads ready shortly. Any questions are welcome.

Rickdaily12 wrote: Spoiler:

0verki11 wrote:

Rickdaily12 wrote:@0verkill, can a Mafia member use their switch action as well as perform the factional kill?

I guess the answer will at least settle this much.

No

Okay, so Ejj was right.

Qvapil wrote:

Rickdaily12 wrote:The reason I asked this question was to test the waters on how everyone else feels about it, though. I like what I got from it.

Could you share your thoughts on our responses rick?

Sure.

Uzay's was hard to read just because of the language barrier, but I think it's pretty in line with the rest of the conversation that lucking out on the SK early enough leads to more breathing room if SK isn't around to kill things. It felt a bit automated though because I don't think he lends enough consideration to the disruption that SK can do to the Mafia later.
Dash, once he finally got around to it, (and rereading his post in hindsight of what he was posting on page 14) clearly misunderstood the Mafia abilities and is just Town as far as I care. His analysis otherwise isn't the greatest as a result, but this is covered later.
I like Chemist's answer the most from a "What to do" perspective, but I wish he broke down the numbers a bit more in order to convince everyone else to see things his way.
Flake more or less +1-ed Chemist, but whatever. I still kinda wanted his opinion in his own words.
Next came your answer, and I more or less explained why I TR you for it and explained why I even bothered asking the question in the first place.

I'm comfortable saying that I like a TR on you for purity and a lean on Chemist for the most sensible approach, everyone else's responses were more typical and didn't touch me as much. I could dive into the other responses after explaining what I wanted from this question if you want me to do that, but having said that, I see less of a point since I more or less told everyone what I was looking for. I definitely wouldn't trust any read on this basis after how I formed yours.

Dash2 wrote:inb4 rick comes back and mocks me for correcting him on not reading the role cards correctly

what I would never do that

tfiosforevah wrote:You can take my claim seriously, or not, either way i never know how to enter so the naturalness doesn’t really indicate my alignment lol

I wish tfios didn't approach every game exactly like this.
sigh.gif

ejjinami wrote:Ok, I’m starting to feel more and more that all of zucker’s bullshit is just purposefully overblown “pressure” :/

Zucker wrote:At least Flake is giving detail to back up what he’s done. ^_^
Dash Refuses to give Detail
Dash states stuff with no actual context
Dash doesn’t even look like they want to actually help town
Dash should be lynched today, if Flake is still very scummy tomorrow then we can definitely vote them.

Zucker’s confidence in the read makes no sense and it’s incredibly easy to spot
And he seems overly-enthusiastic to be able to push dash, which honestly doesn’t come from (newb?)scum often...
Sigh

I would be much more sympathetic to this idea if it even looked like he was trying to analyze Dash. No references to any posts, no elaboration, just this garbage.
The only reason I'm reluctant to lynch this is because he's a clear VI choice, but at worst, this is a reason not to scum read him, not a reason to Town read him.

UzayAltay wrote:

Rickdaily12 wrote:Speaking of Uzay, I like a lot of his posts so far, but one thing that did stick out at me was his progression on Flake seemed a little bit off. I remember reading and seeing how he called Flake's actions into question from Town and voted him, only to back off in the same page saying that the reaction to the vote felt townie. It felt a little insincere when I was looking at it.

The main Issue was I saw claiming as anti-town , when Flake seems that as NAI , The vote went Because I thought From town PoV , It should be seen as anti-town regardless. Answer was good , he stays after their Word which I Like .
And I had no way for proving that is anti-town after Flake Show me Another perspective , from That perspective it could be very well creating WIFOM attempt , which reduce anti-townieness.
With This state , due it is not obvious If it is anti-town from their PoV or not , it would be not logical keeping The vote .
And Actually vote has A press aim,too , but Obviously I didnt Say that when voting .

Uzay your conversation with Flake went a little something like this:

You reacted when you see two people claim Citizen, Flake basically points out to you that the claims are WIFOM at worst.
You vote Flake and accuse him of encouraging role from Scum's POV, but again, Flake points out that the claims were WIFOM at worst and had no basis to be taken seriously.
You have a weird moment where you use emotes and Flake pretty much restates this in full.
Then you unvote him and say that you like his reaction to you.

Checking your time stamps, this conversation unfolded in about a half hour. It's still pretty weird on reread.

cupcakeaj2 wrote:Let's support more suspicious and horrible reads

To random vote or to not random vote?

/vote Uzay

cupcakeaj2 wrote:Hello, I didn't didn't say I didn't think I will not not didn't say I didn't hardclaim not Doctor

Eragon1329 wrote:

UzayAltay wrote:

Eragon1329 wrote: Spoiler: Fist raised, you could cause a reaction
Ain't nobody gonna fuck with me (fuck with me)
I can tell by the way that you're acting
And we could both agree
I never felt so low
But I love the way I look, yeah
With this bloody nose
Look how many hits it took ya'
I mix pain with a little satisfaction
They go together all the same to be
I'm just tryna stay ahead of the action
And we could both agree
I never felt so low
But I love the way I look, yeah
With this bloody nose
Look how many hits it took ya
Here I go down this broken road
My smile still shows through my bloody nose
Still, I go (ooh)
Still, I go (ooh)
Yeah, I go (ooh)
I smile but there's blood in my reflection
There's violence in the poetry (poetry)
When it's over, there's no resurrection
At least for you and me
I never felt so low
But I love the way I look, yeah
With this bloody nose
Look how many hits it took ya
Here I go down this broken road
My smile still shows through my bloody nose
Still, I go (ooh)
Still, I go (ooh)
Yeah, I go (ooh)
I march on, just like violence
Today, I'll break the silence
Feels good, be compliant
Do you see me when you close your eyelids
Today I'ma get back up
Fists raised, let's get close up
Your life won't be so rough
Get the fuck up, 'cause we've had enough
Here we lay
In our final hours, like dying flowers
The price we pay
As you struggle for power that your ego devours (ego devours)
Here I go down this broken road
My smile still shows through my bloody nose
Still, I go (ooh)
Still, I go (ooh)
Yeah, I go (ooh)
I march on, just like violence
Today, I'll break the silence
Feels good, be compliant
Do you see me when you close your eyelids

Eragon
There was some good times when You just post sth Like This as town .
But later You started to post This as every alignment
This lose their furction
So , what's The reason of keep posting these ?

maybe

just maybe

because I want to post it

because its fun

?

you literally did the same thing with a picture of a cat that I posted for like, no reason
and ur like "whats the meaning with this"
>literally a cat picture

Eragon1329 wrote: Spoiler:

UzayAltay wrote:

Flake wrote:

UzayAltay wrote:

Crimson97 wrote:

Zucker wrote:I flipped Citizen! ^_^
Good luck everyone!

I cc cit

/Vote Zucker

stop pretending like either cit claim is actually indicative

So You are completely Okay with This with knowing it help scum ?
/vote Flake
I Dont think You thought from town PoV there .

he literally said neither are AI

stopping people from BRINGING THEM UP IF THEY ARE AI
LIKE OTHER PEOPLE I COULD MENTION
making a big deal out of it

instead of just acting like its fake

UzayAltay wrote:

ejjinami wrote:

Crimson97 wrote:

ejjinami wrote:Uzay is acting really townie rn btw

Not really.

it's mostly tone



........aaaand a stupid tell that I doesn't even need to work
but I still like the way he played till now

@Flake , didnt You find that enough ?
/unvote
/vote unvote
I Like your reaction to me
Even though I am not aggreeing with You and it is bad , and could be dangerous .

but the more we make it seem fake
the more scum thinks its fake
and will not be sure what to do

Zucker wrote:

UzayAltay wrote:

Rickdaily12 wrote:By the way, everyone, what do we think about the tactic of trying to avoid lynching the SK? I'm a bit torn thinking over what exactly our approach this game should be.

Like, because of the whole situation with the switches and all of the WIFOM hell, it's probably really safe to assume that Night Plans this game on our end are going to be utterly useless. We ultimately have no control over any of the night actions that get sent and that end up working, as all of that utility ultimately gets negated by the scum. So really, like, I view this game as 11 cits versus a 3v1 scum faction. The only thing really going for us is that the SK will want the Mafia as dead as badly as we do and can screw with their abilities in a way that we can't. (Like really, I'm still pretty salty that we didn't end up getting more citizens or even a role that can flip switches too.)

So, because of this, we at least have an SK that can crosskill into Mafia, and screw with their switches for as long as the Mafia remain alive. Plus, as more Mafia die, we effectively get stronger over time, since this frees more of the PRs and basically undoes a vanillasizer on the PRs. But if we lynch the SK, Scum loses a KP, but then we almost basically guarantee Scum never cross killing into each other the moment SK dies, and that could be pretty devastating, especially if multiple PRs die before hitting ever hitting Mafia.

Is it also in the better interest of the SK if they try to help us get a few Cop checks to work? They can't outright murder the Town if Mafia remains at full power, so if they did everything in their power to help us find associations between mafia, it's in all of our benefit, right?

Basically I'm unsure how Town wins without us getting lucky on the Vig or without SK helping us kill at least one of the Mafia. Is anyone else familiar with this setup?

We Obviously need Every scum lynch , but I Will prefer SK Dead over mafia .Why ? Let's compare with A Day 1 SK lynch with Day 1 Maf lynch
1) Tomorrow 10v3 versus 9v2v1
2) With SK lynch , Mafia has to free one of PRs . With All Mafia's have 3-shot , We Will be abi to use some PRs before it votes to end at worse situation ( assumation : We couldnt be able to lynch Maf for A while , Maf couldnt be able to kill our PRs )
With Maf lynch , SK can lock The PR We lynched from Mafia for A long time , and with 2 KPN , time wents stronger, and working faster against us.

Another thing I discovered is We can start using our Roles effectively when We Kill 2 scum . And Killing SK early is Actually Giving us More chance to kill A Mafia due less Dead town per Day , I think. Even it removes The possibility SK Killing Mafia .

Now time for me to give reasoning your town .

You start the discussion right away trying to lead Town.
You state your opinion like this to show Town what we should do in a very proper manor.
Your trying to help others Understand the Situation.
Scum wouldn’t be sole focused on SK because they need him to kill at least for the first night!

^_^

and scum can't control discussion or act like they are doing pro-town things?
he...
isn't fully focusing on SK?
and mafia don't need sk to kill
becuase its fairly balanced without a second KPN
I think its like 10v3 after an SK Lynch and kill
which is a little more town than normal
but also its basically vanilla for 3 nights
which makes it basically mountainous

ejjinami wrote:

UzayAltay wrote:

Flake wrote:It doesn't help scum because seth and crimson both know that claiming cit immediately is bad, they're literally just creating WIFOM

I really don’t understand that reaction

And I don’t like the conversation between uzay and flake. Flake kept saying that “claims might be fake even if town” and uzay seemed to SR him for “being ok with them”, which would make sense only if uzay didn’t understand flake’s point at all.
And I don’t think that can be the case
The SR feels possibly fake.

Zucker wrote:

Dash2 wrote:/vote tfios

Um well, Dash.
That vote seemed like it happened for the sole purpose of bluntly voting someone.
Tfios always claims Citizen Day 1 and they usually are Citizen ^_^.

When I was reading you seemed the most sketchy. *_^

Shitty read: Would Zucker have added the thing about tfio usually being cit if he knew that this time she isn’t? (SvS)
UNLESS THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT BEFORE, I think it might be unlikely.
Zucker doesn’t seem like the type to intentionally write that to manipulate the townies into TRing his teammate…

Flake wrote:does jord ever fake a townslip like that

i doubt it

scum never overlooks info on switches since they all actively partake in using them so

jord is like always town probably