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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | What the Ech? (D9?)

LordofFail wrote:
pumacatrun2 wrote:
LordofFail wrote:Well that just isnt fair. If I got a rolecard like that I would instantly replace out :L

Well they had a 2/21 chance of hitting a TS, 3 or 4 if the JOAT and normalizer were potentially counted
it was definitely unfair but the game had to have one difficult bastard role to spice things up
if they'd somehow been able to figure out that the targets don't actually die then maybe they could have coerced the TS to be straightforward for them :?: town hardclaiming a subalignment D1 to give an NB a win though isn't the most likely thing to happen but maybe they could have picked up on breadcrumbs or something.


TS? The role card says nothing about Town Support.

It clearly says "Town Power". There is only one Town Power in the game, the too many options role. Even with 3 shots, they only had a 3/20 = 15% chance of winning.

And had they hardclaimed, no way would the town power come out and reveal, that would be dumb just to let a neutral benign who is dying on the first night die.

I guess you could call it a bastard role, but really its just a role that says "You waited patiently and managed to get a spot in this game, now go fuck yourself you cant play past day 1".

apologies if salt from other things is overflowing into this, im quite salty rn

oh misread it but otherwise ye agreed but if they aren't salty about it there's no reason you need to be salty in their place :P
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 4:28 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | What the Ech? (D9?)

LordofFail wrote:Well that just isnt fair. If I got a rolecard like that I would instantly replace out :L

Well they had a 2/21 chance of hitting a TS, 3 or 4 if the JOAT and normalizer were potentially counted
it was definitely unfair but the game had to have one difficult bastard role to spice things up
if they'd somehow been able to figure out that the targets don't actually die then maybe they could have coerced the TS to be straightforward for them :?: town hardclaiming a subalignment D1 to give an NB a win though isn't the most likely thing to happen but maybe they could have picked up on breadcrumbs or something.
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 2:50 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | Ech Over (Town Win)

TrueGent wrote:user control panel > user groups > arcs mafia chat

nvrmind was already in the group but was looking at the main game archive instead of the mafia chat one

Neasans wrote:munch and cmitc pls no lierino about roles/actions intentionally/accidentally ;-;

I legit thought oliy was scum

>Bad decisions on my part. ;_;

D8 was hard because so scummy. I should probably stop scumreading the entire playerlist in the future, but.

Honestly what sealed it for me was puma's inactivity at the time. >.<

i felt pretty much the same about D7 i feel you

and good choice on nightskipping in that case then :P
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 1:34 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | Ech Over (Town Win)

can somebody link me to the mafia there's no link in this thread and the archive thing i'm looking at just has links to the games from what i see?
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 1:22 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | Ech Over (Town Win)

murat1996 wrote:If I checked Rhaz, it wouldn't mean much

??????
In what way any less than me?
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 1:16 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | Ech Over (Town Win)

murat1996 wrote:Ye.

ye but why
either im scum or i turn up as scum you'd get the same result either way and the PoE would have been much stronger on anyone else
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 1:15 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | Ech Over (Town Win)

TrueGent wrote:Puma was the only one in this game that stopped me from losing all my sanity whilst reading this game
my god

*purrs at praise* thank
but yeah for a while i literally couldn't understand how everyone else was so passive about cakez' push on you tbh
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 1:01 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | Ech Over (Town Win)

aww boo i was hoping the mod bitch thing was actually 100% canon from the start but hey, it was still a fun implement.

and gosh me and alex are lucky they were really JOAT or we'd both be dead
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 12:56 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | Ech Over (Town Win)

ahh okay i see the rolecard updated now

and np zss glad i got the chance to replace in, clutch win was worth it
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 12:41 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | Ech Over (Town Win)

TrueGent wrote:the fact that everyone thought Rhazh would post "hi" then go AFK for 6 hours as town makes me kms

pedit: alex checked Rhazh N1

if so then what interfered? were they a rellim like i thought or?
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 12:39 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | Ech Over (Town Win)

teamalex wrote:SORRY GUYS

so what even were you basing your comment on?????

Hiphoplog wrote:I was wanting a fight to the death. There can only be one survivor.

/slay neas
VICTOR
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 12:36 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | What the Ech? (D9?)

I FUCKING CALLED IT LIKE ALL GAME I KNEW SOMETHING WAS UP
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 12:34 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | What the Ech? (D9?)

i mean if neas was scum game would have ended so ??? skeletons ??????????????

/vote varanus
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 12:29 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | The Final Ech Count

for sake of not spamming arc just tell me if any of them hit a vote
/vote all dead players
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 12:28 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | The Final Ech Count

SO WAS IT SKELETONS OR WERE YOU ACTUALLY SCUM IN KINGMAKER
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 12:27 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | The Final Ech Count

/unvote
/vote rhazh
*
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 10:31 am
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | The Final Ech Count

hehe okay

/unvote
/vote rhazh

just arc being ominous asf for no reason? anyway just got an idea for a new role for grand idea mafia thanks to that :P
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 10:30 am
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | The Final Ech Count

varanoose give me a votecount so i can switch back after confirming my silly suspicion is wrong else your confdoublescum :^)
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 10:23 am
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | The Final Ech Count

actually can i revisit my thought from the catchup?

/unvote
/vote varanus


i am staying alert for skeletons as advised :T
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 10:18 am
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | The Final Ech Count

shh it's ok take your time if you need there's plenty of the day left

look into it as much as you need to but ye you don't have to double back on your gutread just because it's your gutread so don't be biased about your bias either :P
by pumacatrun2
Sun May 15, 2016 12:21 am
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | The Final Ech Count

oh and

/vote rhazh

excuse the triple post
by pumacatrun2
Sat May 14, 2016 11:58 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | The Final Ech Count

RhazhBash wrote:Swords wasn't saying I was scum. He was saying that me and oily are the same alignment. Just look at how I started the day with a push on you then didn't go for oily until Neasans started pointing out they were getting way more suspicious of them than me. Also take a look at the first page of Neasans's ISO and tell me they aren't a bigger threat to me at LyLo. Me killing Swords still makes absolutely no sense.

Cakez's lynch removed any possibility of Swords being scum. That wouldn't be part of your thought process behind deciding your kill last night.

Fixed.

And even though oliy flipped town, Swords' thought process was that you two were now dissociating if you both were scum but that doesn't make you any less likely to be mafia. Yes, Neasans did seem to be the main driver of the change in suspicions on the both of you but Swords was agreeing enough for it to matter, even if his theory on role setup was as bad as mine. And your argument is soooo WIFOM based like "I would kill Swords if Neasans was more likely to side with me > You would kill Swords to make the exact argument you're making rn"

And for the twentieth time, with my wishy washy thoughts on 4 neutrals being in play, under that scenario no, Swords would not be confirmed, and if I had killed Neasans as scum I would have pushed the suggestion.
by pumacatrun2
Sat May 14, 2016 11:31 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience | The Final Ech Count

oh well obv no shit i wasnt saying we don't have an NK i was saying i was still wishy-washy on the thought that swords may still be NK
by pumacatrun2
Sat May 14, 2016 10:59 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience |Spooky Scary Sk-Ech-l

RhazhBash wrote:
pumacatrun2 wrote:other than that, i wasn't even online during the lynch, yet you were in the pool of voters on a townie, which tends to be a little more sus. i deleted it while i was writing it because i was wishy washy on it as i kept reading the thread but i was actually starting to think that if oliy flipped town swords would be likelier scum than you and that maybe we'd been thrown a 4 neutral 3 mafia game considering how most of the dead neutrals seemed to look like non-killing ones, but yeah nope.

4 Neutrals is overkill and only 3 Mafia is underpowered. Let's not forget that the deaths N4 imply some sort of Arsonist or Detonator like role, and the result on Cakez showing him visiting someone who died to that likely NK (I don't believe there were any killers other than Mafia that night, and Mafia wouldn't attack themselves). Also saying I'm scum for being on the oily wagon isn't a valid argument when 2 confirmed Townies were on it too and oily was easily the most likely to flip scum at that point.
as i said, to me at least the thought was making sense, once again because most of the dead neutrals seemed vaguely likely to not be killing roles (and, we had two death last night, it bring the thought into question). whether others agreed or not was a different point, and again i originally took it out of what i was thinking if yesterday was still going because i was wish-washy on the thought but if i were mafia i'd have seen it as a fair option, and again, there's the vice versa option, even swords was starting to doubt you and oliy (you're argument that me picking neasans over swords is bs). And I'm not literally saying you are scum just for voting oliy, no shit, but it's a factor that adds up and it's a Pov PoE kingmaker situation rn so obv I'm gonna treat it like it's fact.

tbh if i were mafia i'd probably have killed neasans considering swords if town would practically be a citizen without his bullets and i'd probably use my actual thought process as reasoning for convincing oliy to lynch swords or vice versa but that argument is pretty much just WIFOM anyway

Misread this, but it still doesn't show how killing Neasans gives any advantage over killing Swords. Swords hadn't said whether he was more confident on me or you being scum, and Neasans made it clear that she was more inclined to lynch me. You forget the fact that Neasans is also an effective Citizen (Shocker).
okay so why does killing swords give me any advantage over killing neasans exactly?

Swords quotes for emphasis:
Swordsworth wrote:Oliy, are you aware that TrueGent claimed Negative as well?

I think the mafia at this point is Rhazh and Oliy.

Swordsworth wrote:Oliy gave me another shot in hope of me miss shooting as well as exempting him from the shot. Rhazh could likely be mafia head, immune to investigations. Murat was also killed after I ordered him to invest oliy, despite the fact that oliy would appear as different to Deferent no matter what.

Swordsworth wrote:Yeah, Oliy and Rhazh scumteam. Oliy discounts the possibility of 2 mafia AND Mafia Head right off the bat, and Puma was forthcoming about her role and alignment. Mafia Negative doesn't make sense, and True collaborated Puma's alignment existing. Rhazh is attempting to distance from Oliy now, in a last ditch attempt to secure at least 1 mislynch to win. I think we're in LyLo.

Swords was definitely leaning more on you than me.

RhazhBash wrote:One more reason I forgot to put about why we have an NK for sure, just read your rolecard. It mentions killer JonTrons right on it below Mafia JonTrons.

Wait you can read rolecards? Where :? I've literally been going blind through this game if there was a cheatsheet I wish I'd known.

Other than wincons ("You must kill Killer Jontrons") it doesn't say anything about them? What's your point if you do mean the wincon?
by pumacatrun2
Sat May 14, 2016 10:56 pm
 
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Re: SFM18 | JonTronFM: The Experience |Spooky Scary Sk-Ech-l

specifically
pumacatrun2 wrote:other than that, i wasn't even online during the lynch, yet you were in the pool of voters on a townie, which tends to be a little more sus. i deleted it while i was writing it because i was wishy washy on it as i kept reading the thread but i was actually starting to think that if oliy flipped town swords would be likelier scum than you and that maybe we'd been thrown a 4 neutral 3 mafia game considering how most of the dead neutrals seemed to look like non-killing ones, but yeah nope.

tbh if i were mafia i'd probably have killed neasans considering swords if town would practically be a citizen without his bullets and i'd probably use my actual thought process as reasoning for convincing oliy to lynch swords or vice versa but that argument is pretty much just WIFOM anyway
by pumacatrun2
Sat May 14, 2016 10:25 pm
 
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