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ICECLIMBERS wrote:Why did the mafia not vote innocent on the neutral evil?
Did they not realize he was shifter? Did they actually think he was lookout? Or did they all just abstain?

bussing neutrals is

top strats

mask of alternate futures fixed my drug problem and put my life back on track ty for everything swords

The Lawyer's message is interesting. I think it most likely implies an Empath ability, I can't see what else it would be. I agree with LoF that seeing who voted on a lynch is overpowered since scum would probably all vote innocent, and would also not work if there wasn't a lawyer.

I have little else to add, but I'm glad that we found scum on d1.

Santa07 wrote:I'm a little unsure of what Shortcut's fate should be. I have this feeling that the mask that gave us the lynch is scum-sided as they would not have done it so late into the day and was purposely trying to make us mislynch.

Do you have a read on Shortcut either way, regardless of setup speculation?

I really can't see the d1 lynch being an ability used by scum, it's probably Innocent Locked or set as default on a town role. I think people are underestimating how heavily beneficial to town a lynch is, and it really irritates me. If I was scum and received the ability to optionally allow a d1 lynch, I certainly would not use it. Using it this late in the day increases chances of a nolynch much more than it increases chances of a mislynch; we've developed reads on d1 earlier in the day before there was a lynch available anyway.

PolikShadowbliss wrote:That seems a massive oversight for Shortcut.

Are you meaning to imply that Shortcut is innocent and made a simple mistake, or that he scumslipped?

DevilAngelWolf27 wrote:
deferentsheep wrote:
DevilAngelWolf27 wrote:I was correcting a very recent post by sir, so it wasn't resolved obviously >.>'

Read the thread, child.

I'm 23 and a grown woman, don't call me a child

Making your illiteracy even more pathetic. Doesn't it make you feel inadequate to get called out by someone literally a decade younger than you?

DevilAngelWolf27 wrote:And if you had read the previous page you'd see it was relevant, but obviously you're too blind or too lazy to bother
I'll even spell it out for you, Sircakez on the very last post on the previous page states incorrect information, so I was correcting the information since no-one else was correct themselves directly after. And there was only a 3 minute gap.

Let's see the post.

DevilAngelWolf27 wrote:
SirCakez wrote:
MiniatureCowgirl wrote:Gossie, you are fine for now.

As it is LOF, I know you don't like to take day one seriously, but at least try. Also, guys, go back and reread that "scumslip"

He's not saying lookouts can say roles and masks, he's saying lookouts can see roles and masks can see roles and masks

That's not the slip.
He said he could see visits from Mask abilities.
Swords confirmed Lookout only sees visits from Role abilities.

Lookout can only see who visited, not their role or their mask

There is no incorrect information in SirCakez's post. Your reply does not correct any mistake as none exists. Furthermore, the point you have contributed has been previously discussed at length. You would know this if you read the thread and were semi-literate.

DevilAngelWolf27 wrote:
deferentsheep wrote:
DevilAngelWolf27 wrote:I have read the thread, read the rolecard >.>

You quite obviously haven't read the thread if you're bringing up something that's been previously brought up and resolved.

I was correcting a very recent post by sir, so it wasn't resolved obviously >.>'

Read the thread, child.

DevilAngelWolf27 wrote:I have read the thread, read the rolecard >.>

You quite obviously haven't read the thread if you're bringing up something that's been previously brought up and resolved.

MiniatureCowgirl wrote:I know he's not brotherhood because pretty much no one other than me is calling for people to stop and think. As it is, I think there's a 50-30% chance he's town. I don't trust him, but I do think this is just a bit too convenient. Especially with the huge bandwagons running around. I do think it's a good idea to be lynched, but you people seem pretty happy to label him and encourage a lynch without people thinking first. I like to have all the facts we have laid out first

Or he's being bussed. Or you just conveniently omitted the others opposing / wavering his lynch such as Moleland.

Really not sure how you could see a "50-30% chance he's town" after he scumslipped. Even so, I would certainly want to lynch someone who had even a 50% chance of flipping scum unless I had better targets. What better targets do you suggest?

DevilAngelWolf27 wrote:
SirCakez wrote:
MiniatureCowgirl wrote:Gossie, you are fine for now.

As it is LOF, I know you don't like to take day one seriously, but at least try. Also, guys, go back and reread that "scumslip"

He's not saying lookouts can say roles and masks, he's saying lookouts can see roles and masks can see roles and masks

That's not the slip.
He said he could see visits from Mask abilities.
Swords confirmed Lookout only sees visits from Role abilities.

Lookout can only see who visited, not their role or their mask

It's not that. We already went over this, read the thread.

SirCakez wrote:I'd policy lynch LoF right now if Shortcut wasn't confirmed scum

Really? I don't find him that bad, especially considering that LoF always fucks around on d1. A policy lynch on a lurker would be better in my opinion.

Wait I actually misread what Shortcut read before when I asked Swords the question. But you actually slipped, lmao.

I don't think Shortcut slipped there, Sir. Although it does seem odd that he can't see mask visits, I'd like confirmation on that because I wouldn't expect that at first glance.

@Swords: Does a lookout see mask visits as well or only role visits?

I would vote guilty on any of those three to prevent a nolynch; I'm not townreading any of those players.

But I am viewing them from scummiest to towniest: Shortcut > Polik > Gossie.

So yeah, Watt is definitely scum too after his recent posts.

Not sure what you're trying to achieve there, MiniatureCowgirl. You could just ask people for their reads on each person and doing it in such a formal way isn't very useful.

pretzellover33 wrote:
deferentsheep wrote:
Tiltedcomedian wrote:How is that a scumpost deferent? I'm not seeing it. Same with oliy - explain what's lifting your eyebrow. Since we now have this extra time we should be explaining ourselves as clearly as possible.

You've been asking others "what should we do?" questions alot but you should know if you're a townie you should do what you want to do, not seek approval from other townies.

Condescending tone, meaning that he probably doesn't think that oily is really scum but instead wants to give him advice.

So oliy is scum? Where did he even imply that?

Uh, literally right there. "if you're a townie you should know what you want to do", oily didn't know what he wanted to do, therefore oily isn't a townie.

Watt2015 wrote:Like many people say in the court, "I'd rather let a guilty man go free than to let an innocent man take the fall"

Literally the opposite applies here.

ShortcutButton wrote:Is being sarcastic and condescending as you claim alignment indicative, deferent?

Yes. You're essentially using it to establish a hierarchy in which you are more powerful.

Tiltedcomedian wrote:How is that a scumpost deferent? I'm not seeing it. Same with oliy - explain what's lifting your eyebrow. Since we now have this extra time we should be explaining ourselves as clearly as possible.

You've been asking others "what should we do?" questions alot but you should know if you're a townie you should do what you want to do, not seek approval from other townies.

Condescending tone, meaning that he probably doesn't think that oily is really scum but instead wants to give him advice.

James2 wrote:Getting right to business, tomorrow, we should NOT publicly announce our night results.

no

23 slept peacefullys wont help scum so much that we need to withhold it

This contradicts what he was previously saying about "mask analysis". Giving night results to a town power does help town, even if it's not much, and there's little effort used. Which is basically the same argument he used to support the mask analysis. The contradictions show how he's deliberately disagreeing with everyone to make himself look more town.

Also this TPow talk seems to be very captivating for you all, now the entire town is buttered up just waiting for a reveal. This is not what we should be doing on D1.

He's trying to assert himself as a leader by discrediting the rest of the town, referring to them collectively to separate himself from "the entire town". He did a similar thing near the start of SFM12, where he was a witch.

The entire tone of that post is both sarcastic and condescending. That's only a single post, similar trends can be seen throughout his ISO.

Spoiler:

ShortcutButton wrote:
deferentsheep wrote:
ShortcutButton wrote:Mask predictions dont waste time, they take like 5 minutes

I agree with you there, but it's still pointless.

But a simple risk-reward analysis proves you wrong.

Say mask analysis' take 5 minutes, and produce a marginal result. Now you have to ask yourself, "what else could I have done in 5 minutes?" and the answer is "not more than a mask analysis". Ergo a mask analysis is not pointless but a little helpful.
SirCakez wrote:"Are you Town?" questions are useless. What do they reveal? Answer: Nothing

Are you town questions are kind of a funny last-resort question to someone you 99% think is scum. Gossie and Tilted's were awful, but it works sometimes.
oliy wrote:Okay, so, I was wondering how we should play through this game. Should we allow everyone to speak freely and give ideas to get the best ones via elimination, let the power roles decide, rely on claims, or something else? They each have a few flaws via who gets to decide, but what should we go on? I've always been open to suggestions from anyone, and using logic, determining the best outcome. I think we should do that, but let the Power role have the final pick.

I THINK WE SHOULD ALL GIVE IDEAS TYVM

You've been asking others "what should we do?" questions alot but you should know if you're a townie you should do what you want to do, not seek approval from other townies.
James2 wrote:Getting right to business, tomorrow, we should NOT publicly announce our night results.

no

23 slept peacefullys wont help scum so much that we need to withhold it
everyone talking about TPow wrote:the last page or so

This TPow talk is very pointless. Surely because we have whispers (fuck, I did not read the OP when it said that) and a confirmed TPow, the stars have aligned, they are gonna reveal 24 hours, blah blah...

What if there is the Agent buff (y'know, the one that makes you think WHY HAVENT THEY ADDED THIS ALREADY) where you tap any person at any time and get the whispers at the end of the day? I wont be surprised if some sort of buffed agent is either in the mask, or maybe in the Brotherhood rolecards; I didn't check.

Also this TPow talk seems to be very captivating for you all, now the entire town is buttered up just waiting for a reveal. This is not what we should be doing on D1.

^ is still a scumpost guys

We need to go through on this lynch, stop getting cold feet guys. Shortcut is scum, I am voting guilty.

oliy wrote:Oh, I just saw the trial and day extension ._.
So, after Short was "lynched," he claimed? And it wasn't Lawyer? Is it just me, or does that raise an eyebrow, especially with the mask read thing.
I've been reading backwards, starting back at page 16 or something.

??

I imagine the lawyer revealed to give us extra time.

I would lynch pretzel or Polik, but Shortcut is better.

Maybe there's something special about the "???", like maybe that's a default name or something.

I honestly feel as if the mask name should relate to the mask, based on my mask name and what I can find on the wiki.

So it bothers me that apparently oily / alouvre / Shortcut all claim the same mask name when they're supposed to be unique.

James2 wrote:Short didn't give any explanation of his claimed mask in his mask guesses.

And he took way to long to come up with a mask claim.

Why?

He most likely spent the time looking up masks on the wiki and making a fakeclaim around it.

Hiphoplog wrote:A Lookout with a tracker ability is believable to be honest.
He probably wouldn't be an Agent off of that though.

Is your tracker ability a day or night one? Does it replace your night action if at night?

The masks are decided by RNG, that doesn't have any bearing.

p-edit: welp, okay.

Moleland wrote:
deferentsheep wrote:
ladd wrote:THANK YOU, so opinions? Honestly I am not so sure anymore on shortcut. I have this bad feeling that moleland is one's shadow btw and short is his target.

This seems possible.

alouvre wrote:BTW SHORT DID NOT SOFT HIS MASK IN HIS MASK GUESSES LIST.
HE PUT A ??? BEHIND IT.

Shortcut is definitely scum though because of this. There's no way he would put a "???" next to his mask if he had that mask. It's more than just him not softing it, it's to do with understanding what the mask does and he would've gotten the idea of what that mask did and the name meant if he actually had it.

Would he soft his mask? I don't know about that.

Would you soft out your own mask in a list? I personally wouldn't.

I wouldn't do something like a code with letters at the start of words or anything. But at the very least I would vaguely and correctly describe what my mask did.

LordofFail wrote:I have an idea: How about we not lynch on Day 1 because it is much more likely that we lynch Town over scum. You cant say someone is acting scummy on Day 1. Hell, I was inactive for 85% of the day. That does not make me scum; I am still Town.

lof youre bad

ladd wrote:THANK YOU, so opinions? Honestly I am not so sure anymore on shortcut. I have this bad feeling that moleland is one's shadow btw and short is his target.

This seems possible.

alouvre wrote:BTW SHORT DID NOT SOFT HIS MASK IN HIS MASK GUESSES LIST.
HE PUT A ??? BEHIND IT.

Shortcut is definitely scum though because of this. There's no way he would put a "???" next to his mask if he had that mask. It's more than just him not softing it, it's to do with understanding what the mask does and he would've gotten the idea of what that mask did and the name meant if he actually had it.

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