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Arc was okay. Not horrendous, more of a learning experience, and I didn't really suspect them until the day we lynched timur, where I recall thinking to myself "if he was scum I would have caught him by now"

I blame Timur for his horrendous strategies that caused two town lynches, Cirque for not reading the thread on the last time (or not accepting my love :c), and everyone in general for not discussing enough D2.
Blaming people is always fun c:

HTE:
N1 - BS is one group higher than JG.
N2 - JG is five groups below Andi
N3 - Lemon is seven groups below Andi
N4 - Psycho is four groups below JG
N5 - Prof is ten groups above Chit

Roz:
N1 - Goose went to Timur (Nk who was meant to be executed by jailor, lynched d4)
N2 - BS to Dumb (Witch wich stopped jailor's execution, lynched d3)
N3 - HTE to Cirque
N4 - Timur went nowhere
N5 - Chit went nowhere

Rip me I found both of yours

Ignore my request HTE I found yours

But checking a dying person ensures you know your other target's result. I don't really see an issue or need to apologise, unless I'm missing something like HTE checking the dying person to a confirmed person.

Also, can you two list all of your night actions again?

Also I can confirm Ralo said the name changes, but none of us knew that so I don't think it's anything to call out, especially since Transporter wasn't present after all.

/vote prof

Why is checking a dying person as interviewer a bad thing?

Dude, of course I want to lynch you, you're scum and it's 2v2+1. A cit vote is the best option because the other two have potential of proving themselves.
I'll ask Ralo about interviewer.

Roz to be fair anyone would have pushed a lynch on Timur.

ISO on Arc. I assume he's Mafia quite a bit, which wouldn't be ideal in normal discussion, but he is 100% Mafia in my eyes, and few things here made much sense if he were town. There were a few somewhat townlike posts throughout his ISO, but he never targeted any fellow Mafia members throughout the whole game.
Spoiler: D1:

ProfessorArceus wrote:I also see JGaming pushing much to hard for a Lynch,

/vote JGaming

Sheeping Gooose D1

ProfessorArceus wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
Gooose26 wrote:/vote JGaming

He is pushing way to hard to make a lynch. "Gooose isn't a fan of lynching without solid reasoning? KILL! Oh, a reqcrion test? KILL! So we aren't killing Lemon? Then let's just KILL Gooose again".

Too pushy, so to me he is scum. And I still don't understand what you guys don't like that's making me scum. I just mean that we shouldn't be pushing a decision of killing somebody day 1 without some sort of evidence. I'm not against day 1 lynch, but I am against doing a day 1 lynch without any reason just because we can. And that's why my vote goes against JGaming. I wouldn't be surprised if he was executioner really, other I do know that is very unlikely because he went to Lemon for a bit

He's new to the game, calm down.
/vote Goose
Trying too hard to push away the pressure

I'd say that Gooose is just defending himself. If someone started to accuse me of being scum, I would defend myself. While JGaming may be new to the game, he's accusing people from their posts. I'm not sure, but JGaming seems like an Exe to me. Look how he tries so hard to push lynches. Hell, he even voted for you at one point!

Focusing on minor objectives like getting the EXE with his vote instead of major things like the Mafia or NK

ProfessorArceus wrote:
JGaming08 wrote:
ProfessorArceus wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
Gooose26 wrote:/vote JGaming

He is pushing way to hard to make a lynch. "Gooose isn't a fan of lynching without solid reasoning? KILL! Oh, a reqcrion test? KILL! So we aren't killing Lemon? Then let's just KILL Gooose again".

Too pushy, so to me he is scum. And I still don't understand what you guys don't like that's making me scum. I just mean that we shouldn't be pushing a decision of killing somebody day 1 without some sort of evidence. I'm not against day 1 lynch, but I am against doing a day 1 lynch without any reason just because we can. And that's why my vote goes against JGaming. I wouldn't be surprised if he was executioner really, other I do know that is very unlikely because he went to Lemon for a bit

He's new to the game, calm down.
/vote Goose
Trying too hard to push away the pressure

I'd say that Gooose is just defending himself. If someone started to accuse me of being scum, I would defend myself. While JGaming may be new to the game, he's accusing people from their posts. I'm not sure, but JGaming seems like an Exe to me. Look how he tries so hard to push lynches. Hell, he even voted for you at one point!

Like Lemon said, I'm new to this, I can't tell scum that well so I decided to follow BS4.

If you're new to the game, I would advise not being so forward with your thoughts. Following an experienced player is fine, but it looks like you've taken his role of leader.

He's somewhat discouraging discussion here from inexperienced players

ProfessorArceus wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
Gooose26 wrote:
JGaming08 wrote:Well, yeah. Tbh I agree with Gooose here. I shouldn't be treat differently and I could as well be saving my skill for later. I've got nothing I can say to get out of that and everyone who sais something back is just defending for a pointless reason.

Though, it's page 5. We shouldn't be scumreading everyone already.

Come on though! On pages 3 and 4 you were talking about full on lynching Lemon/me, like harcore. You pushed way to hard, and now that it all backfired, you want to stop voting NOW? Like every single second of this episode there was a debate going on about why we should be lynching day 1, and you were full on for lynching, except when you are the scum lord.

Now don't get me wrong I wasn't hardcore for day 1 lynch, but 1 thing I've consistently held onto was that if they are acting really scummy, then yes. And at the same time a lot of the other guys were saying even if they are town it would be beneficial. Why is that different now? I mean I understand defending yourself because you don't want to get lynched for obvious reasons, but now you don't want a lynch to happen at all. You changed opinions way to many times already to get a pardon

The more J push, the more scummy he is.
/vote Jay

I think now that he's had some more response, he understands that he shouldn't have been so forward. Since people have switched votes to him, I think he fears being lynched. He's stopped pushing for people to be lynched, give him a break. If he was Exe, he would continue to create arguments against his target, wouldn't he? Either that or he can play it safe and hope that his target is lynched later. I have my doubts about him being an executioner. I will, however, keep my vote onto him.

And now he's suddenly switching his view on JGaming again, with his reasoning being that he's defending himself when he's being accused. That's just natural response, and not a good reason for someone to be scum, but a push is needed since as we know, JG wasn't Mafia.

ProfessorArceus wrote:
timurtheking wrote:I am the master at deducting, I use my sick skills to find scum because scum-reading is a thing that I strongly do not believe in.

~~So TI? why the clues already?~~

Public role assumptions are never a good thing, you're essentially giving scum a guaranteed extra voice, whether it's to Mafia or NK, and I think Prof was attempting to hint that to the NK at the time.

ProfessorArceus wrote:Since we don't have any 'proper' results, I say we all unvote, under the condition that JGaming hard/soft claims. If not, he might be voted up and hung in scum's favour.

This caution is grasping for towncred, since action to prevent a quickhammer has already taken place, and everyone unvoting would just do the same thing as the previously taken actions but slow everything down. Bad suggestion to come from a town member.

ProfessorArceus wrote:
timurtheking wrote:
ProfessorArceus wrote:
timurtheking wrote:I am the master at deducting, I use my sick skills to find scum because scum-reading is a thing that I strongly do not believe in.

~~So TI? why the clues already?~~

who said anything about TI?

/vote professorarceus

Why me?
Explain.

An okay response, I can see either side saying that, but he goes on to assume this:

ProfessorArceus wrote:
timurtheking wrote:
ProfessorArceus wrote:
timurtheking wrote:I am the master at deducting, I use my sick skills to find scum because scum-reading is a thing that I strongly do not believe in.

~~So TI? why the clues already?~~

who said anything about TI?

/vote professorarceus

Either we have a Jester, a stupid town, or most likely, a Timur.

Instead of assuming there is a best intent here, he discredits the assumption made by Timur by essentially calling him idiotic. Definitely not how I would expect someone to play who is trying to find scum.

D2:

ProfessorArceus wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
ProfessorArceus wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
Cirque wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
Cirque wrote:I meant we're also waiting for Skull but by looking at their ISO I dont think thats gonna happen

are they afk? Ralozey should prod them then.

I honestly have no idea, they've only said 2 things and that was right before N1 started.

That's prod doging then.

Doge?

prod dodging*
also
/vote Cirque
gotta start from somewhere

Just fucking with you...
I see nothing against Cirque. It wasn't prod dodging, more acknowledging their ISOs and telling us that they probably won't be here. If they are here, I suggest we start voting the inactive players since they are no addition to us if inactive, or if active, they will be forced to claim and start helping us.
/Vote Gooose for now.

Suddenly jumping on the Goose train. Sheeping and things like this are clear that he want's a lynch that isn't completely thought out, and a quick one nonetheless so there won't be discussion.

ProfessorArceus wrote:Tbh I didn't think we should do it, but if it works in our favour, I'm fine. Plus every one else has claimed.

He wasn't vocal here, he didn't want a massclaim to happen but didn't give a reason for it, which makes sense for scum since they don't want to develop discussion, cast a bad light onto themselves, or have a massclaim.

ProfessorArceus wrote:
roz1roz wrote:Let me see:

If BS is Transporter, he was compared to jailor giving Psychic, Nightmarer, Drug Dealer, Serial Killer, Necromorph result.
There is no transporter here, wich automaticly means that version is fals.

So if BS is NOT transporter, you compared him to JG, who claims Escort, wich would mean Scientist, Lookout, Vigilante, Tracker, Werewolf.
After removing the town roles, we would get werewolf, wich is useless if we think Goose is Nk,

If JG is Consort/Stalker (Stalker should gvie rb message as well (?)) BS would be... Rain Dancer, Musician, Electrician, Undertaker, Witch (And we have witch confirmed)

The last scenario is the only one wich adds up tbh.
Either that or your pretending to be interviewer.

Last option seems most likely, since we have a confirmed witch. But I still don't trust Gooose.

"Hey, I accept this person is likely Witch, but this person is still suspicious so let's vote them instead so we can get a mislynch and have our ally stay alive!"

D3:

ProfessorArceus wrote:Well BS seems to be scum. Even if he isn't, we confirm a few others to be scum too. Although, I must say, I don't trust Cirque's Survivor claim. I'm not entirely sure why, but I'm just a bit suspicious of all Survivor claims. To be fair, Cirque has been relatively Neutral, without taking sides. I'm sorry :c
I'm just being honest, before I'm accused of saying anything more against Cirque.

So both NB claims at the time were viable to lynch should something have happened according to him, since he was showing lots of distrust in Gooose earlier. Looks like a good option for him since Mafia didn't claim NB, and it would detract from lynching the Mafia in the long run. Also, apologizing definitely shows that you don't want bad light on you a little too much, since you're being hesitant to share your views.

He said nothing D4, nothing indicative D5, and nothing today so far.

Here's my defense, and I won't quote anything since my posts should speak for themselves, and if anyone makes a point against me, I'll explain my processes.
Spoiler: D1: Slot was inactive
D2: I immediately started out with reads and getting my views out there, willing to discuss any aspects of them. I missed some claims, openly asked to be informed, and got my answers. I recommended not Massclaiming, since there was a risk of the Witch working with Mafia or NK with common goals, such as controlling a protective away from a powerful town. I claimed "not RT" because I didn't expect a full massclaim, and I wanted to hint to scum that I was TPow and could take one for the team. I asked Ralo about roleblocks since people were discussing Jailing/Roleblocking Mafia to prevent the kill, and shared the info I got to ensure our plans regarding Jailing/Roleblocking some assumed scum would work. I asked for people to make a rolelist to compare claims to room on the list for ease of access, primarily for myself so I could read into situations. I was hesitant on voting for Buddy since he could prove himself, but I was running out of time and hoped for the best in voting for him.
D3: I wanted group decision on whether to eliminate the Witch or NK, since both could pose a threat in different ways. I pushed my idea of the rolelist/claim thing from the previous day since I still wanted to have it for ease of access for claims. I made a statement that I have been reliant on for a while:

oliy wrote:J and And are in the same alignment J proved and as Vig by saying he scared off a visitor. They either both communicated it in a Mafia chat and used a Consort/DD, or are being truthful.
BS I think is scum Given the many events proving them as witch
Goose is probably scum Like I stated in a previous post, they sound like they gave up after being chosen for a lynch, and made a few odd statements
Timur is scum Claiming everything in the Godfather result, and claiming a town member came up as scum, some of the few red flags at the time

HTE and lemon can be the only other scum pair, but given yesterday I trust HTE. Trust comes from the events with BS, and the two were the only other two that could fit in TPro/RT like and and J. However, I don't think this works now since Timur flipped Cit and there's room for one more town here. Roz I believe at the time was revealing so much info and was practically confirmed TI in my eyes.

Next, I was hesitant to end the day, since we still had time to discuss, but since nothing seemed apparent to discuss that day, I voted and the day ended.
D4: I said nothing. The day went by too fast.
D5: I state that I'm willing to lynch timur, and looked back on that ^ post to double check if HTE and Lemonader made sense as a scum pair, and stated that I thought HTE was the last scum. I then asked Roz and HTE to prove themselves by checking Cirque, but that assumed Timur was scum, and we could afford not checking others. Timur ended up as town, and the two made the smarter option to "check" (one of them is lying) for other scum.

Also, something that I found:

HereThereEverywhere wrote:So I'm Interviewer.
If Dumb was transported with JG, then I compared Dumb and BS. BS came out one group higher than whoever I interviewed last night. And now I'm confused.

There was no transporter, and this was D2. Mafia, considering they had a DD, had literally no context from both roles. HTE got it right but thought a Transporter messed with them, and I think this is a good sign of being the town here. If we can't prove them since Cirque might die or they both get the right result or something, I suspect Roz is the scum.

roz1roz wrote:
oliy wrote:Ok so we're lynching me or Prof so the other two can prove their worth. Both are to Investigate Cirque, and Cirque, if you're a Survivor, please vest. If you're dead town may have vote control, but I trust that you're with us, and I want you to win as well.

Obviously, I'm going to make a case for myself and against Prof, but I'll do that when I have more time.

Tracker doesn't see if survivor vest or not.

That's not my point. You can still get a decent idea from the role.

I don't blame you two for not visiting Cirque (or claiming not to) with the fucking cit out of nowhere.

My defense is hopefully coming within the next two hours.

Ok so we're lynching me or Prof so the other two can prove their worth. Both are to Investigate Cirque, and Cirque, if you're a Survivor, please vest. If you're dead town may have vote control, but I trust that you're with us, and I want you to win as well.

Obviously, I'm going to make a case for myself and against Prof, but I'll do that when I have more time.

Cirque I see you online, please do not claim or anything like that. It's very important to me ;<;

Well, it's me or Prof, and HTE or Roz. One or the other in each group.
Roz, post your results and Cirque, claim to see if what they say is true. If Roz didn't target you, do not claim. And Cirque, if you're an Amnesiac, please become town because I love you <3
Based on what happened yesterday (freaking timur) now my post from D3 or whatever is completely thrown off and now I don't know between HTE or Roz.
I can believe HTE creating SvS on Arceus, given they would just win tomorrow since they're "proven." I would still prefer using Cirque to prove themselves, but given tomorrow we can't do that, I'll create extensive reads.

Do not vote for anyone yet.

Cirque I love you please vote with town

/vote timur
HTE and Roz, check Cirque to see what they do. They can disprove you, unless they lie, but I have trust in them for now. Plus, we can vote them off if we really need to, since town has the numbers, but I don't want to resort to that.

timurtheking wrote:I just wanted buddyboy dead becuz i thought he was originally bad

Would you pull this in a normal game of ToS?

Yeah I'm pretty sure HTE is the last mafia based on what happened D3. The order doesn't really matter TBH.

I'm down for a timur lynch, post to be continued

/vote BS

Or I can

But we have our plan. Is there anything we really need to discuss now?

If both sides are voting for BS that means he's neutral, which is what we want because Neutral abilities are stronger.

Oh rip me it's two people a night I was confusing it with scientist.

NVM it was from JG, but I thought the role was based on the previous response. Give me a minute.

Wait, HATE, you said Ald was 5 groups above Witch?
That's one group too high.

Also, in that plan, why aren't we roleblocking Goose?

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