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Getting that leyva45 read 100% right was FeelsGoodMan.

Good game, everyone!
Town did a good.

I won't be online for End of Day, though. I hope a good wagon will happen. Unlikely, but a man can dream.
Good luck, guys.

You know, watchme1's ISO seems like a mirror. I'm looking at it and they have the same thoughts as me.
I doubt that it's a pocket or a buddying attempt - they seemed to have approached the results in a different way. Plus, I'm a very weird target to pocket.
They're probably just town.
I'm fine with voting 2304 or leyva45. I don't think I want anybody else lynched today.
There's at least one mafia member that I'm having a difficult time catching right now - good job. But in due time.

Hello, I'm here.

I'm really conflicted on watchme1 right now due to TheWabbit's and ryanyb's stances on them.
I think I will have to reread their ISO.

The notes I took while reading through:

2304 having no care for my vote on them is concerning. I'm honestly lost from their replies.
ryanyb and lemonader666 are probably town for their comments on Cenvil2's ability?
To TheWabbit: could you explain your watchme1 and lemonader666 townreads?
SparkingJayYT isn't scummy for them misreading at all. I see no reason to believe that's alignment indicative behaviour. Stuff happens to everyone.
watchme1's recent posts don't help me solve his alignment at all. I'll try later.
OllyRenard's towncore is pretty onpoint. I like that.
Eh, thinking about it - watchme1's post just seems like stating alignments instead of genuine solving. I think that slot is worthy of pushing.

OllyRenard seems like town to me. I don't want to push them.
If leyva45 is mafia, I don't think anyone in the experienced group would be scum with them, since they'd probably have more motivation and wouldn't get prodded.

I want to be cool and say that I solved the game and that the scumteam is 2304/watchme1/leyva45, but that's probably a wrong guess.

2304 wrote:Wabbit idk some gay prince

Wow... that's brilliant.
This gave me a smile, thank you.

To answer the towncircle question, mine probably looks something like this currently:
ZoruaLuhansk
SparkingJayYT
AbstractGlacial
Cenvil2
ryanyb
moonbird
TheWabbit

ryanyb wrote:I also like Glacier a lot and idr see where the scumreads are coming from.

Nobody thinks I'm scum, though?

Swordsworth wrote:Your read on me was correct.
Based on this list, I think Glacial/Zorua, or Glacial/watchme are potential possibilities; not perhaps of mafia, but of being the same alignment. I don't see where leyva is TMI'ing. I don't think 2304 warrants a mafia reading where watchme warrants a neutral reading though; justify that for me?

I don't think me being town affects ZoruaLuhansk's or watchme1's alignment in any way, since I'm not a reading god or something.
w/w would make sense from your perspective; not sure about w/t.
I think leyva45 is TMI'ing in their OllyRenard defense. I dunno, it feels kind of surreal to me to townread OllyRenard *that* strongly. Plus, I don't remember any other of their posts mentioning OllyRenard.
Actually, let me just /vote leyva45
2304 was explained in my list; watchme1 I just have no thoughts on. Nothing pops up in my mind when reading their ISO.

TheWabbit wrote:

AbstractGlacial wrote:Regarding SparkingJayYT:
I think SparkingJayYT is town for their catch up. I think noticing and pinpointing good posts more easily than bad posts is a town trait. Personally, I think finding other towns is much easier than finding mafias when you're town, and I think that applies to SparkingJayYT as well.

Regarding 2304:
I didn't like something about their post which I won't reveal just yet.

disagree with sparking overall read but i'll note that town trait you mentioned
i'm pretty much sure the thing you dislike about 2304 is how they're basically disconnected from game content and prefer to stay that way, as evidenced with their early page posts

i don't expect him to suddenly rise up from being a lhf drastically from a trend of being one so i'm fine with leaving him alone until the latter half of d1

You're exactly right on my 2304 thoughts. You're townie so far, so I'll trust you on 2304.
/unvote

TheWabbit wrote:i don't see why zorua's a townlean for some people

She's a pretty obvious town for me, up there with ryanyb. I could make a case if you like.

ryanyb wrote:

TheWabbit wrote:

ZoruaLuhansk wrote:@Olly Make a read featuring a post that hasn't been brought up yet in a read

originality is scare here, you'd probably get nothing

This tho I do agree with.
Zorua pushing this repetitively feels a bit fake.

Don't really see it, they could just be trying out something new, irregardless of alignment.

TheWabbit wrote:

AbstractGlacial wrote:

ZoruaLuhansk wrote:@Abstract How much experience do you have with social deduction games

I played Mafia in real life and am interested in Psychology and Body Language. Also played Town of Salem for a couple of months, but other than that, not much experience.

If you're to place yourself on an alignment chart, where would you belong?

Lawful Neutral/Lawful Good

lemonader666 wrote:

ryanyb wrote:/vote Olly
I guess we're doing this now.

The tone doesn't sound right for a town member switching nonchalantly

ryanyb wrote:

moonbird wrote:Like Olly's reaction to that post from Ryan on Cenvil/him even less than cenvil's text though

/vote olly

I mean
I was going to wait for him to react to his obviously shit wolfy question
But sure you can vote him first. D:<

Overly aggressive

ryanyb wrote:

moonbird wrote:

ryanyb wrote:

moonbird wrote:Like Olly's reaction to that post from Ryan on Cenvil/him even less than cenvil's text though

/vote olly

I mean
I was going to wait for him to react to his obviously shit wolfy question
But sure you can vote him first. D:<

Why were you going to wait if you already thought it was an obviously shit wolfy question my dood

Because I'm trying to cut down my number of posts because some people complain about that.

But then continues with an excuse
I know it's weak but it's better than the other wagons

The first post makes sense though; they were surprised by moonbird voting before them. The tone does show surprise and the "shrug, oh well" feel.
I don't see the second post as overly aggressive at all. Sounds pretty joke-y to me.

lemonader666 wrote:royee is heading in the direction of being scummy, but I'd rather not say why

Now that Royee is gone - what was it?

lemonader666 wrote:

AbstractGlacial wrote:2304

I didn't find much positive about their entrance. Like I said before, I felt like they were too focused on their own entrance. Them also saying how they're suprised 3 people are townreading them and making no conclusions based on that is disappointing. I think they could be mafia.

What? How do you find that scummy?

They acknowledge that, but just accept it. It honestly seems like they're happy being townread, hence no conclusion off of it.

SparkingJayYT wrote:

AbstractGlacial wrote:Quick question - who is TheWabbit replacing? The first page doesn't specify.

Royee

Okay, that's very good. They hovered around nullpoint for me, I'm glad they got an active replacement.

I'll finish catching up soon, but will probably only reply to posts related to me. The rest I'll keep in my notepad and share at the end if needed.

Quick question - who is TheWabbit replacing? The first page doesn't specify.

Hello. I will catch up with my thoughts later.

2304 wrote:

AbstractGlacial wrote:

2304 wrote:It's that time already

What prevents you from participating? Lack of motivation?

Lack of confidence & motivation yes

And about your other post on talking about host colours
Wat?

That was just an example of one of the topics you could've talked about at the start of day, but didn't.

Let me try to improve your motivation.
/vote 2304
I think you are mafia.

lemonader666

I found their big notes post to be somewhat useless (no offense, I appreciate the effort), because it doesn't share any of their own thoughts on what had transpired. Even afterwards, there didn't seem to be any resulting reads from their notes until their ryanyb vote. I personally townread ryanyb, and their case so far seems kind of weak. I'd like a more detailed explanation of it. For now, if I had to say, I'd say I'm leaning mafia for them.

2304

I didn't find much positive about their entrance. Like I said before, I felt like they were too focused on their own entrance. Them also saying how they're suprised 3 people are townreading them and making no conclusions based on that is disappointing. I think they could be mafia.

However, I don't think lemonader666 and 2304 are mafia together due to the notes post. I may have to change my read on at least one of them as the game progresses.

ZoruaLuhansk

I like the way they're approaching the game. They seem to genuinely be putting in effort on their reads, as it seems like they don't want to be undecided on players. Them accepting their confbias' existence, being concerned about their overthinking and initiating players to make original comments is giving off great vibes. I'm safely calling them town.

SparkingJayYT

I found their catch-ups to be towny, as they were noticing towny posts much more easily than suspicious posts, which I find to be a town trait. They don't seem to be approaching the game with a plan in mind, which I find towny as well. I think I'm safe in calling them town as well.

OllyRenard

I don't know. I'm not really sensing any mafia vibes from them. I think they're a solvable slot anyway since they promise to give something out for anyone who visits them. If they give out something positive, then they're probably town. Otherwise they're probably mafia. Some of their questions overall feel towny, like the one aimed at legacy players. Sure, it may not be that useful but the intent seems pretty genuine. I'll call them town.

Cenvil2

Sigh. This slot is difficult to solve as well. To be honest, I don't find it suspicious too. I've thought about them giving up and it's probably town indicative. I really can't see a mafia member giving up so early. Some of their posts, like the one about the counterproductive comment and having no opinions worthy of sharing are giving off town vibes too. I think they are town.

watchme1

Not many thoughts on them right now other than the fact that I agree with a bunch of their reads. Currently undecided.

ryanyb

Strong townread. They have been pressuring people in order to solve their alignments and has just overall been very productive in terms of moving the game forward. I would be very surprised if they flipped mafia, honestly.

leyva45

Their defense on OllyRenard seems a bit too confident for this stage of the game, I think. There's nothing wrong with having strong reads; it's just that I don't really understand how they could be so certain on OllyRenard so early. I feel like this could be TMI, so I'll call them mafia for now.

moonbird

I like them so far. They've been posting little thoughts on most of the players and the way they've been producing reads so far has been feeling pretty natural and it just flows great. I think I'm safe in calling them town.

Swordsworth

Somewhat undecided but probably leaning town. It felt like they were pushing me, lemonader666 and 2304 for the sake of reading our alignments and not for wanting us dead. Don't really have much else to say on them.

Royee

Not much content to judge from yet. Will probably decide on them after they're finished with their catchup. Undecided.

leyva45 wrote:

ryanyb wrote:Also people pointing out Olly's good response [the one that included stuff about his prior games with Cenvil] as a reason that he could never be wolf need to remember that his post happened after a not-insignificant amount of pressure from both me and moon over previously and continually bad posts. This stuff is chronological.

he will flip town man this isn't the only "good" post that makes me think that he isn't scum

What are the other ones, then?

ryanyb wrote:I mean like I said earlier Leyva still never is the lynch today and pushing him today is kind of stupid because it will sort itself out eventually.

Also I have a history of mis-reading Leyva.

They seem a bit too confident on their OllyRenard read with so far little evidence. I honestly feel like it could be TMI.

watchme1 wrote:lemonader666 - n
2304 - nt
ZoruaLuhansk - tl
SparkingJayYT - nt
AbstractGlacial - nt
OllyRenard - n
Cenvil2 - ns
ryanyb - tl
leyva45 - n
moonbird - nt
Swordsworth - n
Royee - n

Probably what I'm working with right now, need to figure out where to go w/ the nulls

I'm in a similar place as you, except with a n on Cenvil2 and 2304 and a ns on leyva45.

Cenvil2 wrote:It would stand if named fruit Vendor were being all town. I am confident, that at least 1/3 of those were scum.

My role is information gathering about the setup.
Which would have benefited more if I catch a mechanical liar from the thread.
But I guess it won't work now.

What was the point of saying this, anyway?
There's still 2 real life days in day 1. You had plenty of time to try this out rather than giving up so early.

Cenvil2 wrote:Also I can't ask about players.
Only about the setup in general.
(so catching a singular lie would be problematic)

That's why I wanted to be UTR for the longest time possible.

But the longer the game goes, the less discussion about the setup will be. Mainly, the talk about the setup happens day 1.

Cenvil2 wrote:Than lynch me.

Why are you so keen on giving up? I don't understand. This makes no sense from town perspective, nor mafia perspective.

SparkingJayYT wrote:

AbstractGlacial wrote:

moonbird wrote:

Swordsworth wrote:I fail to see how anyone gets anything town or wolf from 2304 from what they've said so far so I don't trust those reads

hot gut town reads

just like my tr on watch me

In short, 2034 is so chill coming into thread, and they '''sound''' genuine enough

I found them to be a bit too reactive in their approach. They didn't really react/respond to anything unrelated to their entrance meme post, which I find odd. Wouldn't a town member gladly reply to whatever comes their way, especially at the start of the day, when there's no information?

This isn't really AI especially in memephase
Depends on what the posts are and if you are bothered to meme along.

Well, you can just check page 1 and 2 to see what the posts were.
I don't know, I would expect them to at least talk about the host colours or something.

SparkingJayYT wrote:Ryan sounds like cocky town with how they speak to their scumreads
Reminds me of their push on me/Uzay in 19D

Agreed.

Royee wrote:moonbird p4 posts are peculiar, they feel unnatural to me. "paranoia" sounds like a lame excuse to start reading people.

Why can't a town member state their paranoia, though? I found that to be quite towny, personally.

Royee wrote:

AbstractGlacial wrote:For now, I consider ryanyb, ZoruaLuhansk and moonbird to all be town members.

explain

I'll make a separate post where I ISO everyone.

Swordsworth wrote:Glacial's response wasn't wolfy

/unvote

What makes it not wolfy? What response would make you think of me as mafia?

2304 wrote:It's that time already

What prevents you from participating? Lack of motivation?

Royee wrote:

AbstractGlacial wrote:

OllyRenard wrote:

AbstractGlacial wrote:I checked 2304 due to ZoruaLuhansk's and moonbird's comments and I don't agree with it to a full extent. They seemed a bit too focused on their own meme, rather than going with the flow of information that was happening in the thread.

On another note, I think moonbird is town for multiple pretty logical paranoia reads.

What do you mean by logical paranoia reads?

Their paranoia seems justified. I'm assuming Swordsworth and ryanyb are both experienced players due to their play so far, so it would make sense to be scared to read both of them.

Their paranoia thing can be staged, actually from an experienced player it seems to me more likely of this thing to occur.

They're only paranoid on other experienced players though. That's what makes these reads justified, I think.

ZoruaLuhansk wrote:

lemonader666 wrote:Why am I a slot that's devoid of anything? I think my recent games aren't that horrible now

ig I'm slightly leaning townie in that I don't think wolves on this site have the guts to blatantly misinterpret a "push" on them like this early D1

I'm fairly sure that misunderstanding was based on language, not on something game-related, so I don't think this thought has a base to it.

ZoruaLuhansk wrote:

SparkingJayYT wrote:

ZoruaLuhansk wrote:What does cringe mean
This may or may not be awkward depending on what cringe means

Times like these I feel out of touch with the internet

cringe
/krɪn(d)ʒ/
Learn to pronounce
verb
bend one's head and body in fear or apprehension or in a servile manner.

You are welcome.

Slight Townlean
once again only slight because I don't have metas on the people I really should

I really don't see how explaining the word "cringe" makes somebody more townie. Sure, I townread SparkingJayYT too, but I don't really understand your thought process here.

ryanyb wrote:my big brain is telling me that Leyva is scum.

Any reason or gut? I'm undecided on them currently so any thoughts are welcome.

ryanyb wrote:Oh also it’s clear cenvil has been reading but he hasn’t made a single post with any game related content.

This sounds interesting, I'll need to read their ISO.

ZoruaLuhansk wrote:Watchme's being kind of reactive and really fencesitty so far but I don't thing it's necessarily (?) scummy this early in the game

It depends on what type of player they are. This behaviour is town indicative for some players and mafia indicative for others.

lemonader666 wrote:it appears olly is pulling an elusive, and cenvil didn't mention anything about him being ganged on for his first post
/vote ryan
His use of "obviously shit" felt off-putting, him saying "I guess we're doing this now." is quite questionable after shifting onto olly and then the response about waiting didn't seem genuine
I somehow managed to procrastinate posting for a few hours

I townread ryanyb so I don't agree with you on the vote on them. I don't really get your reasonings though, so could you make a separate post explaining this in more detail? Thank you in advance.

ZoruaLuhansk wrote:I'm probably overthinking this
Is it weird that Swords seems much less hostile towards Lemon than Abstract/Olly

Do they even scumread lemonader666? I don't remember.