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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Minority Wins

but as another note, if you're claiming in a sfm, please, for the love of god, be direct and true to your rc and be ready to explain based upon what's in your rc

@fml sounds good rn
by moonbird
Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:23 pm
 
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Minority Wins

Actually true af
by moonbird
Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:20 pm
 
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I love it when Arc and Swords N1 me.

Town you were doing somewhat well and then the role arguments were to strong. This game stands as evidence as to why lynching players based upon their supposed roles in a SFM or other closed game is usually a shit idea.
by moonbird
Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:17 pm
 
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 1 (Into The Thick Of It)

melanora wrote:
ShortcutButton wrote:Good the real parity cop role outed. I claimed just to make him do that since he didn't seem intent on claiming.


You are so stupid I don't even know what to do except offer you bleach.

/vote Short

I legit don't see any town motivation behind fakeclaiming the party cop.
by moonbird
Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:10 am
 
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 1 (Into The Thick Of It)

/vote Erravi

@cyan just trying to exorcise the demon from your body; nothing to worry about; no need to panic
STAA wrote:I'm basically a BodyGuard, I protect someone each night (based off of Erravi's word), and if the person I'm protecting dies, I die instead. If one of us is lynched, we both die, and if Erravi dies, I die as well, but not vice versa.


This later part implies Erravi as the scum head if a S+T hydra exists, I believe. Scum wouldn't be punished for a town head dying, as it might impede them endgame by a giant amount, especially if STAA is a bodydouble. I don't understand the double standard for death if STAA and Erravi are both town.

Spoiler:
STAA wrote:I think day is going to end soon with either Erravi or me getting lynched.

ShortcutButton wrote:
STAA wrote:
ShortcutButton wrote:My belief is that they are just scum and decided to claim hydra as some sort of super gambit. If STAA is scum erravi goes next.


If you lynch me or Erravi, the other dies as well...

That's under the assumption you two are a hydra and you clearly said you weren't a hudra


Hydra control the same body. If me and Erravi were to control the same body, then WHY THE FUCK DOES HE GET TO DETERMINE WHO I PROTECT WITHOUT ANY OF MY INPUT?

That doesn't sound very Hydra-y to me.

Also, Retral is totally scum at this point.


Erravi possessing irrevocable control over STAA also is a bit eh to me. I see it more scum motivated than town motivated, basically granting scum a protective member without the vote power.

ShortcutButton wrote:/vote STAA


Why are you voting STAA if it's essentially a Erravi/Mel situation?

@Munch The below is basically my thought on the Erravi/Mel lynch ISO and playerwise, straight from the pant's back pocket. My only wariness with Erravi now lies with the nuance of STAA's claim: STAA will die if Erravi is nightkilled, but Erravi will not die if STAA is nightkilled. Based upon players, FML's POV is where I stand. Based upon theoretical mechanics, I'd lynch Erravi over Mel.

Spoiler:
FMLSheWas12 wrote:I think the term y'all are looking for is "vanilla townie" which is strictly a town member with no special abilities or anything (a Citizen.) Or at least that's my take.

TheParanoidAndroid wrote:What. Are you saying we shouldn't? Worst case, they're lying and we lose multiple town, then we know never to listen to them. Well, real worst case there's a Framer, but you get it. Best case, we have a 50-50 chance of hitting free scum with no town deaths.
There's multiple reasons why the parity cop wouldn't claim.

Yes I am saying that.

Simply knowing not to listen to them doesn't compensate for the worst case of losing two to four lives lost in the process of proving their fraud (meaning two rotations of night kills) even ignoring the lynch targets. Whenever I hear "Day Framer" I laugh. The best case is having a 1/2 chance of hitting scum which is still flimsy odds. In addition if by chance the two flips are of opposing alignments, that still doesn't confirm this supposed "parity cop."

What reasons are there to withhold a claim? Are they afraid of being outed "town" when scum still have to play WIFOM with protective roles? Do you understand all the repercussions town must face just blindly accepting this anonymous message that severely out-disadvantage the parity cop's position?

STAA wrote:So, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that we're following Mel, the "parity cop", in an attempt to get Erravi lynched, (and also me killed as a result), because of fake evidence, and if we don't then Scum wins because we just keep lynching Town at the will of Mel who's the "parity cop"?

Like I said, correct me if I'm wrong, and also I do care.

I don't know where you got that from. I don't think Mel is the parity cop, because she put herself in quite the predicament in that case...

Hiphoplog wrote:[sarcasm]Yes the anonymous cop should definitely claim.[/sarcasm]
For one any cop that can reveal info without revealing is very good (granted probably 1-2 shot or some insane 3 day cool down).
Outing them won't really do much other than confirm a town. Which we can also do just by seeing you if one flips scum.
The former outs 2 town and a scum, the later either kills a scum and town or 2 town plus the information that a prankster is in play.
Honestly it's a lot better to take the risk of believing the anonymous cop than outing them.

[sarcasm]Yes we should abide to an anonymous message who's identity we don't know.[/sarcasm]
The concept of an anonymous cop loses the efficiency in a closed game. That's why you never see 'em in open games, they're overpowered.
Hip are you the person to run away with that one strange old man in the park in their free candy van? Hit me up. ;)

Just because a concept sounds great (and too good to be true) doesn't mean we should be oblivious to possible consequences. If a Sheriff reveals a mafia read they're not locked for death the next day. And alternatively if some Blackmailer that can announce messages in the thread were to instruct lynches every day mafia would win.

Let me play a more accurate rundown of the possibilities:

1. The parity cop is fake and doesn't reveal. We spend two nights attempting to prove their validity. This involves one or two rotations of night kills and multiple of town deaths. We could potentially begin Day 3 with 5-7 town deaths, and at best a cross-kill scum death. And on the off chance a scum is caught that isn't associated with the fake parity cop and has conflicting win conditions, we spend even more time attempting to decipher their legitimacy. This wastes hours and hours of discussion. The towel might as well be thrown. GG.

2. The parity cop is real and doesn't reveal. We have a 1/2 chance of nailing scum, which is already not the best odds. Even afterwards although the situation appears promising we cannot be certain beyond reasonable doubt that the parity cop is real. We can only assume this scenario occurred.

3. The parity cop is fake and reveals. We don't have to fruitlessly waste town deaths. We can also question the parity cop's integrity. A lot better than just accepting a bunch of deaths for no reason, huh?

4. The parity cop is real and reveals. We get an additional town voice which is always great. The player's opinion is valued better with their identity being revealed. Instead of potentially 0 to 1 confirmed town we have 2 inwhich scum have to play more WIFOM with. And confirmed town is a bad thing in what world? The parity cop might be considered more for a kill target - and at the same time a protection target denying scum kills.

melanora wrote:Oh my god, moderator handing out information? It's a full fucking closed game. It could be a mechanic. It's something to rile us up. It didn't confirm anyone was town or mafia or neutral or anything - it just stated a fact.

...and that is information. Whether it still raises doubt, it's still information.
I mean the statement originated from a role. It's not specific to the game, but a role. And if the moderator can decide to leak information about the two arguably most vocal and aggressive players in the game that is heavily incriminating...does this really sound realistic to you?
Sorry. I really hate walls, I don't know why I used to write 'em all the time. This kinda just happened.

Someone asked on where I stand on the Erravi vs Mela earlier and I forgot about it. I think Erravi is pretty convincing town. I would not lynch him or STAA. There's strong evidence that there's association between the two. I think cherry-picking Erravi for his stubbornness and STAA for his obliviousness is asking for a ML. From an alignment indicative perspective all their cases (besides maybe Cow's) are honestly pretty awful. Some are chanting for a PL which accepts the lynch isn't alignment indicative, which is borderline apathy. Although some of Erravi's reads I disagreed with too, that is mostly overpowered by his overall nature of pursuing reads and the horrible wagons against him and his partner.

Mela is a wildcard. Her claim is very vague, unfortunately the nature of it. I don't like how it's a repeat of a past role, but I don't think she'd make such a lazy fake claim as scum at the same time. I don't have a very strong read on Mel; I'm a bit iffy on her but I probably wouldn't lynch her.
[/spoiler]
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:53 pm
 
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 1 (Into The Thick Of It)

The point is, Cyan was acting like this neighborhood did exist before the cop check, and I'm yet to see a solid case on Cyan aside from Cow's.

I'd rather lynch Mel in this exchange over Cyan.
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:14 pm
 
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 1 (Into The Thick Of It)

Metrion wrote:

Ignis wrote:
Code: Select all
Day checks have concluded that Specimen 11, Erravi, and Specimen 14, Melanora, do not share the same win condition.

Metrion wrote:Reminder: Moderator posts are in orange.
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:13 pm
 
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 1 (Into The Thick Of It)

We're just informed that there is a majority faction and a minority, which could be a collection of minorities or just one solid minority faction.
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:54 pm
 
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 1 (Into The Thick Of It)

We're just informed that there is a majority and a minority, which could be a collection of minorities or just one solid minority faction.
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:53 pm
 
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We're just informed that there is a majority faction and a minority, which could be a collection of minorities or just one solid minority faction.
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:53 pm
 
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 1 (Into The Thick Of It)

FMLSheWas12 wrote:My rolecard uses a main colour in the colour scheme of my character. That is probably true with all rolecards.

This is all pointless.

Same.

This color argument is useless and should be dismissed.
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:32 pm
 
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 1 (Into The Thick Of It)

Hiphoplog wrote:Actually 13 does have a light blue skin.
Mel's name may actually be blue.

???
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:30 pm
 
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FMLSheWas12 wrote:I didn't expect the parity cop to be Metrion.

I'm honestly not too sure how to proceed. This is awkward.

It could just be that Metrion announces things, and his flavor name is Ignis. I doubt he'd actually be the cop.
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:12 pm
 
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 1 (Into The Thick Of It)

ShortcutButton wrote:Did STAA just modkill himself

its in the op on the town rc, i believe

there should be no reason for a modkill
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:09 pm
 
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ICECLIMBERS wrote:/Restriction 666 released, Blazblue activate! Metrion.

wut
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:06 pm
 
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I'm with FML. Cop needs to out.
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:05 pm
 
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melanora wrote:Ffs let me finish reading, and then I can prove why cyan should be lynched, because at the point I'm at, he hasn't said something that is in my role card that would make me think he was town.


Was this just the maj/min thing?
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:04 pm
 
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 1 (Into The Thick Of It)

/unvote

y

@tarot

no it wasn't
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:03 pm
 
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For those like myself unfamiliar with source material: What's the trinity?
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:58 pm
 
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The narrative lines up with the last two pages or so of Cyan's ISO. I'd rather lynch Mel today, tbh.
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:37 pm
 
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One dies; the other dies?
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:34 pm
 
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 1 (Into The Thick Of It)

TheCow wrote:
STAA wrote:
TheCow wrote:STAA, how many players are in your chat?

How do you know each other are town?


2. Me and Erravi. Our rolecards.

We both win with Town and Lose with Maf

If you two are mod confirmed as town, are in a hood with only the two of you in it, that makes you masons. Why claim Neighbors? (Metrion _always_ has scum in neighborhoods.)

Mafia and town?
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:33 pm
 
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 1 (Into The Thick Of It)

/vote melanora

O SHIT THUNDERDOME
by moonbird
Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:09 pm
 
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 1 (Into The Thick Of It)

Spoiler:
melanora wrote:
SirCakez wrote:I'm scared to lynch mel, if she's town it will make varanus gamethrow if he's town too


The number of times that I've been mislynched recently because people swear that I have to be scum because I'm not acting like town!mel, and then I flip town... yeah...

STAA wrote:
Tarot wrote:
Tarot wrote:/vote STAA


Explain this, please:

STAA wrote:/unvote
/vote Melanora


I find Melanora suspicious.

And before you ask me to explain why, it's just... a gut feeling, I guess? There's no real way how to describe it [the feeling I have]. It's basically a hunch.


I liked you better when I thought you were a sheep.

TheCow wrote:
ShortcutButton wrote:Well frankly your impression is wrong and doesn't represent what I meant at all. Granted your playstyle I'm not surprised you thought that

I think Munch is scum because of how he reacted to pressure, I still think staa and mela were doing something shady, gent looks like town

I think the STAA vote on Mela feels scummotivated. I don't see anything in the other direction. Mela hasn't really done anything.


This. I posted for like all of two seconds then disappeared for an afternoon nap...

ShortcutButton wrote:
STAA wrote:
FMLSheWas12 wrote:
Erravi wrote:Secondly, 'they are distancing without a valid reason' is contradictory and shows little thought.

You interpreted Short wrong. To my understanding he believes that STAA voted Mel for no reason and there's no town perspective. He also thinks they're distancing.


Are we now dismissing my reasoning of it was a gut feeling?

And does anyone have a problem if I actually am distancing?

And why aren't we bothering to ask the one person who knows the answer to me distancing?

I have a problem with distancing

What a strange thing to ask. It's like you know mela knows something.



I'm really confused.


WAIT PAUSE.

... am I being scum read because STAA is an idiot? Because if so, I'm going to flip a fucking table.


Also, Cyan was the first to vote me, and STAA just sheeped him. If anything, it looks more like STAA followed a scum buddy, and then threw out a bad reason to vote me, and in a panic is now trying to distance himself from me.

Amazing.

Lynch me now, boys. I'm too good for y'all.


Typo, mihal. I meant post 277. It's above.

ChubbyMooshroom9 wrote:I'll do a bigger catch up post when I get home, on mobile. Really liking Retral and mihail is pinging me as opportunistic as hell. Paranoid and Wind seem to not be doing anything besides casual talk, which is contrary to Paranoid's meta based on SFM17-Revival. Not sure about wind but he's like 9 so I'm not expecting much from him. Not sure what to think about him rn. staa is my strongest scum read currently, which I'll elaborate more on when I'm off mobile


I'm unsure where you're seeing opportunistic from Mihail. They seem to have a highly negative and cynical tone thusfar, but I don't see opportunistic from it, moreso apathy towards the game.

Where the fuck are all these townreads on Retral coming from? He's a null, leaning town for me right now; he was defensive about not wanting to read 40 pages, which is understandable as any alignment, and his push on Wind has been purely because wind's "not being serious", which I find to be NAI for Retral this early in the game. His post to Cakez legit asking the man why Cakez was townreading Retral townpinged me--the only scum motivation would to reduce buddying on a Cakez/Retral scumteam, which I have no opinion on at this point in time. That's the singular, hard town credit I can give Retral at this point in time, and it comes after most of this influx of Retral townreads.

STAA wrote:I just got up, and I'm reading through posts, Retral, you forgot a key point.

I USED to be a decent FM player. But not anymore.

Why do you consistently rely upon this point? I don't believe it's AI atm, but earlier in the game you used it to respond to pressure, and you appear to be doing the same here.

Cyan, your reads are cancer as well. I looks like "how to appease town 101 and freelo scumread leyva". Point, I haven't read jackshit of your posts yet so I don't know how founded your reads are, but you're top of my list when I go ISO diving later today.

Who has a scumlean/townlean on Cyan and/or STAA at this point in time?
by moonbird
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