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chitownmvp01 wrote:Why did Purple give up so easily?

I think they were hoping we wouldn't lynch a mirrorer just yet. Not a bad last-ditch effort, but it was really worth just getting rid of an NE at that point.

moonbird wrote:-moon

Thank god this was here, I would have had no idea who wrote this post if not for the signature.

TalkingDirty wrote:4) The balance. Oh the balance. Ret, jailor, vet, and transporter. All fucking confirmable roles. What does scum have? Well we got a new role, a bomber, a detonator with delayed kills and some mafia as per usual, but all of scum combined amounted to shit because we couldn't do much of anything with EvilD (great play by the way, gotta give credit where credit is do) running around with a phantom on his back.

Yeah the actual rolls this game were pretty town-sided. Not much you can do about that, without defining some crazy formula to decide what's a "fair" roll or not (I did that in my cit+ game, it worked out but it was complex as hell).

Varanus wrote:This is just a disgusting failure by the team that reviews games
It actually makes iggy games look fair by comparison

I'm flattered, but once again, you joined the game.

Varanus wrote:And one final shoutout to Ultiix for failing in his final duty as mod, and forgetting to unsticky the thread

Only FM mods can unsticky threads AFAIK.

K1llthestory wrote:i assumed that the moderators would review games at least somewhat for balance. i didn't look until game started, but i'm not a pussy. i claimed retri because that was our only hope LOL

i'd love it if you argued that this rolelist was somehow balanced.

Dude. Look at my username. Do you honestly think I know the first thing about balance.

Also had I executed night 3 I would have been a perfect jailor. I was jailing Soul tonight and I was going to execute so that wouldn't have worked.

Also @Wabbit - why on earth did you not think I could have been mafioso?

@everyone complaining about the role list I direct you to this thread where you saw the rolelist and posted /join. If it's that obviously broken why'd you join

K1llthestory wrote:i also cant understand being jailed and executed for not claiming JAILED LOL. i wont lie, there were a lot of things to kill me for. i was obviously not retri, and i was obviously bullshitting out of my ass. however, i never claim jailed even as real retri. i explained this, and like, i wasnt even mad at being killed, but this was about the dumbest thing ever. it was like giving a monkey a rubix cube only for them to drop it and solve it.

Jailor here

Tbh I never quite understood why we all went along with your ret claim, especially since you kept pushing off when you were going to revive. Really thought you were trying to cover up the existence of a jailor to boost your claim. Really ruined my New Year's Eve, I was so stressed about whether to execute or not

EvanManManMan wrote:You guys can't see my side

So I tried multiple approaches

Call me scum for that idc

But you guys can't physically see from my perspective and it is annoying me

I don't seriously understand how on earth what you're doing is town-motivated. You push Evil hard, then say "wait guys he might be town" (knowing full well you two completely conflict) and then pushing on Soul first. Because you know confirming Evil would confirm you as scum, so you don't want that to happen.

/vote Evan

Varanus wrote:It is finished tbh

We've still got a big pool to narrow down through, it's gonna take a few more days.

By the way @all I'm going back to school next week so I'm gonna be super less active (not enough to replace out, but like checking in once or twice a day active). I was hoping this game would finish before I went back but I guess I'm gonna just miss it.

ElusiveBelle wrote:

iggyvolz wrote:
I don't think Evan and Evil can both be escort, because there's a conflict n3 (both claim block onto Soul, soul claims only 1 blocks, Evan claims blocked)

That would make the RT citizen then which is believable.

So my question is which is more believable?
Evan fake claiming the real Escort's results?
Or ED busing the GF as a mafia or mirrorer for town cred and then 1v1ing the Escort.

The last RT could be a protective that just hasn't gotten lucky yet (although they should probably just consider themselves a citizen at this point).

Highly doubt ED's mafia, pretty big doubt that he's mirrorer but can't 100% confirm that. Not sure if it's better to resolve that conflict first or just have them block each other and resolve the other pool first - there's pros and cons both ways.

ElusiveBelle wrote:Harkonnen97-Claimed Cit
Soulshade55r-Claimed Cit
EvilDeanius0-Claimed Escort
qwertyuiopl-No Claim
ElusiveBelle-No Claim
EvanManManMan-Claim Escort
iggyvolz-No Claim
ZoruaLuhansk-No Claim
TalkingDirty-No Claim
RHawkeye-Marshal
NesMettaur-No Claim
TheWabbit-Investigator
Varanus-No Claim
Gobln-Veteran.

So we know the last RT is is either cit or Escort at this point by the looks of it.
Jailor has one kill left, they should execute a citizen or non claimant tonight just to reduce the PoE we have there.

Wabbit, when you say they are lock town for your checks, does that account for a mafioso turned GF or potential jailor being mafioso

I don't think Evan and Evil can both be escort, because there's a conflict n3 (both claim block onto Soul, soul claims only 1 blocks, Evan claims blocked)

ElusiveBelle wrote:Harkonnen97-Claimed Cit
Soulshade55r-Claimed Cit
EvilDeanius0-Claimed Escort
qwertyuiopl-No Claim
ElusiveBelle-No Claim
EvanManManMan-Claim Escort
iggyvolz-No Claim
ZoruaLuhansk-No Claim
TalkingDirty-No Claim
RHawkeye-Marshal
NesMettaur-No Claim
TheWabbit-Investigator
Varanus-No Claim
Gobln-Veteran.

So cits/escort/noclaims contains: 4 cits, Transport, real escort, Jailor, RT, 2 maf, and mirrorer. Wabbit and Gobln are uncontested => confirmed.

EvanManManMan wrote:

iggyvolz wrote:

EvanManManMan wrote:Guys when dealing with the roleblock message issue please take this into account

I was roleblocked

Meaning that Evil has to be lying about his soul roleblock since I roleblocked soul and he only got 1 message.

He had to have roleblocked me

I don't understand why he won't say he did it won't make a difference

Or...

Get this...

Maybe you're lying.

From your perspective that is logical but from mine it is not

Yes but we haven't any reason to confirm you, so you talking like you're confirmed is annoying and confusing to people just checking in so (like I told Evil) please stop it.

EvanManManMan wrote:Guys when dealing with the roleblock message issue please take this into account

I was roleblocked

Meaning that Evil has to be lying about his soul roleblock since I roleblocked soul and he only got 1 message.

He had to have roleblocked me

I don't understand why he won't say he did it won't make a difference

Or...

Get this...

Maybe you're lying.

EvanManManMan wrote:Why does everybody keep forgetting that I got roleblocked night 3 smh

Anyways my main accusation against evil is that he is mirrorer. Mirrorer is not roleblock immune. So if I roleblocked Evil and there was a second roleblock, then evil would be an escort/consort. If not then he is a confirmed mirrorer or a confirmed liar.

@Evil - Just to make sure I have this right, you're not claiming roleblocking Evan n3?

EvilDeanius0 wrote:So I'm not mafia because I would have sold out 1 teammate, but I could still be Mirrorer after selling out 2?

Mirrorer wins with non-Town. You could have tried to piggyback off NK (which we didn't know for sure at that point), and tried to hinder the town enough to keep them alive that long. Unlikely yes, but possible.

ElusiveBelle wrote:@Ult
Will someone receive more than one roleblocked message if they get roleblocked twice?

ECO says yes unanimously so that's what I've been going on:

If you are roleblocked twice in the same night, will you get the "You were roleblocked" message twice?
Metrion: Yes.
TrueGent: Yes.
Melanora: Yes.
Swordsworth: Yes.
Santa07: Yes.
moonbird: Yes.

EvilDeanius0 wrote:

TalkingDirty wrote:@Evil What was your plan had Michael chose a different target than you? What if you're plan failed? You'd have locked yourself in that lookout claim with no way out, wouldn't you?

No? I already said D2 that it was a drunken plan to get the phantom. I just didnt mention that it worked.

We cannot both be escort as Evan is lying about having roleblocked Soul on N3.

Lynch Evan, Jail Var and probably execute if Evan flips Consort. If he flips Mirrorer, then I'll RB Soul again and watch Wabbit, RHawk, or the transporter if I feel like they're in danger.

Stop acting like you're confirmed Escort, you're not. It's annoying and confusing. You're basically confirmed non-Mafia because of the bussing but I see no reason you can't be Mirrorer.

Same to Evan but without the confirmed non-Mafia.

We can't have escort!Evil/mirrorer!Evan though - since Evil blocked Evan n1, that would have stopped the mirroring and Nes wouldn't have been blocked. Mirrorer!Evil/escort!Evan is still in the cards though - but barring a withheld mafia kill, that would confirm Soul as scum, since they're the only one roleblocked n3, and they were blocked n4 (but mafia kill likely would have gone to their scumbuddy since not doing so would cause suspicion on Soul - so I'm still suspicious of Varanus as their other scumbuddy).

Actually that's even more likely that Evan/Evil is mirrorer/escort (one way or the other), and that mirrorer did something else n3, and they just both claimed the block onto Soul.

iggyvolz wrote:Alternatively, we could have a Varanus/Soul scumteam and Evil/Evan both escorts, since Varanus and Soul have both been blocked/jailed the past two nights.

Barring mafia playing five-dimensional chess with us by intentionally not killing, scum must come from the following pool:
Consort!Evil (unlikely because he double-bussed)
Consort!Evan
Maf!Soul
Maf!Varanus

Here's what we could do:

• Lynch Soul/Varanus today, jail (and execute?) other tonight
• Evil and Evan roleblock each other (so that there's no mafia kill - assuming that a roleblock on a consort would stop mafia kill)
• Continue lynching all of them until we find second mafia

If scum is just in that pool we're safe, I don't see any other scenario happening unless mafia was intentionally withholding kills.

TalkingDirty wrote:mirrorer

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Yeah it's entirely possible that second roleblock has come from a mirrorer, so we can't guarantee that pool.

Alternatively, we could have a Varanus/Soul scumteam and Evil/Evan both escorts, since Varanus and Soul have both been blocked/jailed the past two nights.

Barring mafia playing five-dimensional chess with us by intentionally not killing, scum must come from the following pool:
Consort!Evil (unlikely because he double-bussed)
Consort!Evan
Maf!Soul
Maf!Varanus

Here's what we could do:

• Lynch Soul/Varanus today, jail (and execute?) other tonight
• Evil and Evan roleblock each other (so that there's no mafia kill - assuming that a roleblock on a consort would stop mafia kill)
• Continue lynching all of them until we find second mafia

If scum is just in that pool we're safe, I don't see any other scenario happening unless mafia was intentionally withholding kills.

Soulshade55r wrote:Eh someone rb'd me last night didn't do much but thanks for the good time

Was this a double roleblock? If not then either Evil or Evan is lying about blocking you that night, meaning we do have a consort/escort (or Soul is lying).

iggyvolz wrote:

ElusiveBelle wrote:What's the word on Soul anyways? I think I missed that part

They've been blocked a few days in a row and there's been no mafia kill. My guess is that their scumbuddy wouldn't be willing to do the kill because then there would be only one roleblock, and an escort would have to explain why their target didn't get roleblocked (or they'd have to both claim the same target, which could get dicey).

Wait nope Soul didn't get blocked last night ignore me.

Gonna do some thinking.

ElusiveBelle wrote:What's the word on Soul anyways? I think I missed that part

They've been blocked a few days in a row and there's been no mafia kill. My guess is that their scumbuddy wouldn't be willing to do the kill because then there would be only one roleblock, and an escort would have to explain why their target didn't get roleblocked (or they'd have to both claim the same target, which could get dicey).