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TrueGent wrote:Tates was pretty townie on the day after he was RBed, im surprised he was lynched

What's with people rotating avatars?

Varanus wrote:

TheForgot3n1 wrote:

Varanus wrote:Reads > Night results

Gonna remember this for next NFM... They're fun

Don't. It was horrible advice, and I only get to justify it because I was correct on a fluke.

Wow, that's really mature of you to say.

TheForgot3n1 wrote:DeathGhost and anyone else who is voting RajolAttates at this stage, if you keep hammering him while ignoring the facts we've said about lynching Schultz, I'm DEFINITELY hunting you tomorrow.

At the moment I reckon the last mafia could be between Death and Tilted.

This was from Day 4.

I fakeclaimed doctor because I thought it was important that town lynch James2 over me, and I figured that if he had the more useful role claim, it would hurt me. I was going to come clean the next day, but the mafia got greedy. It's pure luck that they happened to kill and clean the real doctor, so the town could be correct about the roles in the graveyard, if not the names.

I was totally trying to tell the real TP to hush and let me be his body double. I don't know if you picked up on that, but I'm glad you didn't CC me.

TopkekeroniXX wrote:Since all these claims are out, I think it's time for a mass claim. If there's another TP, you should claim citizen for now. Outing yourself wouldn't do any good, and we should keep at least one PR secret so scum don't have their targets lined up for them.

TopkekeroniXX wrote:At this point I would be suspicious of a CC because it's been a while since I claimed and it might be someone trying to cast doubt on me. But even if someone does have a legit CC (like, they're RT or something), I hope they wouldn't claim today, because we don't REALLY need town's role list laid bare for mafia and SK to pick at.

NoodleLick wrote:GG

I got to do nothing as veteran ;-;

That's what happens when you claim veteran early.

Good job everyone. Forgotten pretty much had it figured out early but eeeln and lijik pulled it together.

jakob12341 wrote:

TopkekeroniXX wrote:

mihail66 wrote:Would, Var, the past tense of will.

So it is time for a possibilities list:
1. TopKek is the doctor, James is lying, ramcius was a citizen.
2. Ramcius was a TP, TopKek knows and is claiming doc, James is right. This has a very low chance of happening, because in this scenario TopKek ia a witch and the blackmailer has messaged him ramcius role.
3. Ramcius was a TP, TopKek knows and is claiming doc, james is still lying(but is town), cmitc is killed tonight so TopKek stays in cover.
4. Ramcius was a TP, TopKek knows and is claiming doc, james is still lying(but is town), cmitc is mafia member(most likely the janitor in this scenario)
5. lijik is scum and ramcius was escort.

I would say 1 and 3 sound realistic, most likely 1 is true. No matter which one cmitc is going to be a target for tonight, with the TP revealed/dead and the witch still alive...

What I don't get about 3 and 4 is, what's the town motivation for lying about shooting me? Either he's so confident in reads he's never explained that he's willing to lie so much and risk so much to get me lynched, or he's gamethrowing.

I can't think of a good reason that a townie would lie about shooting someone. That's how I'm certain that James2 is scum.

I can already tell you that James play is weird

I assure you James isn't vig because he didn't shoot me. If he flips some other town role... That would be messed up. I'd need to have a word with him in dead chat about that.

Oh, and Tilted, I should point out that you're going back on your word.

Tiltedcomedian wrote:

TopkekeroniXX wrote:

Tiltedcomedian wrote:

lijik wrote:As I said before, I'm still in favor of option 1. I would also have to agree that I'd rather Lynch a scummy possible citizen over a scummy possible vigilante. Any other thoughts on this?

lolno

I'm not voting either of them because James is easily provable and I'm not satisfied Silver is scum.

What will you do when no one dies to vig tomorrow?

Then we have a guaranteed lynch. Ez.

I'm starting to strongly suspect you.

mihail66 wrote:Would, Var, the past tense of will.

So it is time for a possibilities list:
1. TopKek is the doctor, James is lying, ramcius was a citizen.
2. Ramcius was a TP, TopKek knows and is claiming doc, James is right. This has a very low chance of happening, because in this scenario TopKek ia a witch and the blackmailer has messaged him ramcius role.
3. Ramcius was a TP, TopKek knows and is claiming doc, james is still lying(but is town), cmitc is killed tonight so TopKek stays in cover.
4. Ramcius was a TP, TopKek knows and is claiming doc, james is still lying(but is town), cmitc is mafia member(most likely the janitor in this scenario)
5. lijik is scum and ramcius was escort.

I would say 1 and 3 sound realistic, most likely 1 is true. No matter which one cmitc is going to be a target for tonight, with the TP revealed/dead and the witch still alive...

What I don't get about 3 and 4 is, what's the town motivation for lying about shooting me? Either he's so confident in reads he's never explained that he's willing to lie so much and risk so much to get me lynched, or he's gamethrowing.

I can't think of a good reason that a townie would lie about shooting someone. That's how I'm certain that James2 is scum.

Tiltedcomedian wrote:Top, I would say you are Town except that you keep throwing AtEs into your arguments, and the way James is arguing his standpoint is pinging me as Town. I would have said something similar, by the way, about Taz throwing a vote on Silver if there had been time. Seemed sheepish to me. It also makes no sense that a Witch would risk both TPro WIFOM on Noodle and Lookout WIFOM on James. That's just another moving part in the scheme that could have gone dreadfully wrong for the Witch.

I don't really know what you're referring to. Maybe that's just how I talk. :/

Are you trying to say you would have scumread the dead investigator? You're not exactly making yourself sound credible.

I still think the witch sending James to Noodle would have been a good move (vig + bg = great success, plausible deniability if a lookout sees it), but I'm willing to put that theory behind me for now since we have an escort claim.

Tiltedcomedian wrote:

TopkekeroniXX wrote:

jakob12341 wrote:By the way Topkek, even though most roles have been claimed by now.

Why do a massclaim? There would be more citizen claims now that most PR spots are taken by other people.

I changed my mind. I don't want a massclaim.

Explain why.

Tates and Schultz are all over the place. Really don't like this.

When I first suggested it, I was mistaken about what roles have been claimed. Now it seems like scum would benefit the most from having all the role claims laid out. Besides, you said so yourself:

@lijik Escort absolutely should not claim here. Don't reveal PRs to the Witch, especially since I'm right now believing James over Topkek. By the same token, FoS eeel. Also, argh.

Replace "escort" with whatever.

I agree that it's worrisome that we haven't heard from Tates and Schultz for a while.

I don't like eeel's push on James

I'm really confused about why you think scum-hunting is scummy behavior. You don't seem very protown to me.

You don't like people who push and you don't like people who sheep. Who do you like?

Tiltedcomedian wrote:I went back and thought some more about it. James pulls insane gambits, but I have never known him to lie about his night results, especially not in a position where all it does if Topkek is Town is guarantee that James gets lynched tomorrow.

vs Topkek's AtEs.

On balance, it wasn't as hard as it seemed at first.

Out of all the fakeclaims he's made in all of his games, he's never once had one with fake night results? You're making him sound uncreative.

Can you point to any particular AtE that bothers you? I wasn't really aware that I made any.

Why do you believe the serial liar over me?

Don't worry. Varanus just wants to hammer.

/vote James2

eeelneekey wrote:

eeelneekey wrote:James - Claimed Citizen, then Vig, D1. Misled newbies about massclaiming being standard practice D1. We decided to give them a night to prove themselves. Claims to have attempted to kill Topkek (Doctor claim, says he healed me N1) but that he was immune. If James is Town, Topkek must be SK or Witch as well as one of the other two being scum.

Forgot to add that if James is town, Topkek isn't Doc and we therefore have a missing TP claim. I truly believe the TP would've CCd by now, meaning Topkek must be legit and James is scum.

At this point I would be suspicious of a CC because it's been a while since I claimed and it might be someone trying to cast doubt on me. But even if someone does have a legit CC (like, they're RT or something), I hope they wouldn't claim today, because we don't REALLY need town's role list laid bare for mafia and SK to pick at.

I think we've heard from everyone except Tates.

Varanus wrote:In all fairness, Noodle and James are still technically fighting over the TK slot as well.

eeelneekey wrote:Do you disbelieve cmitc's list of reads that they got from Silver?
If you believe cmitc is the fake RT, surely you must believe lijik is legit and by extension they RBd Noodle who is also legit, no?

Oh snap. James, start shouting incoherently about how we're going to win and keep winning, and maybe no one will realize you have no facts or logic supporting you.

I pushed you, silly goose.

Hi Lexiam!

Reminder to everyone that Citizen can roll in RT. Just because someone claims a RT slot and there's no CC doesn't mean they're town.

James2 wrote:It occurs to me, if blackmailer exists, then TopKek could know the cleaned role even as a witch or SK. So the Mafia having killed the real protective is still a live possibility.

In theory, yes, but in practice, no. Melanora hasn't been online since day 2 started, and I would assume all BMer messages go through her.

And why would mafia trust me after I pushed to lynch one of their own?

eeelneekey wrote:

lijik wrote:I'll die if I rb the serial killer, correct? That would be an event that would make it more important to say who I'm going to rb the day before, however if I don't say I can always tell cmit who I rbed

I think so? But either way if we dictate your RBing the witch is just going to move you/the mafia will just avoid your target.

James2 wrote:It occurs to me, if blackmailer exists, then TopKek could know the cleaned role even as a witch or SK. So the Mafia having killed the real protective is still a live possibility.

That's assuming that the Mafia found Topkek on the second day of the game (bearing in mine there's no consig, because there's janitor and bmer). What do you say to the allegations against you? Why didn't you kill Topkek? Are you holding out that he was immune?

I think lijik should call out her target, so if there's no clean or if sk kills her, there's more information.

And we don't really know there's not a consig... The BMer could have made the kill.

Oh btw, cmitc1, did you seance Silverspots? Of course, you know not to post the conversation, but did they have anything to say?

I guess that's true.... Of course, if the witch controls me, the killers can do whatever they want.

I think Taz might make for a more lucid seance than Ram. Not my call, though.

I meant I think option 2 is better. Crap. I'll just leave this alone for a while.

I still think a mass claim would be pointless. The witch has enough toys to play with,

Can we talk about night plans? This is going to be tricky.

Option 1: Noodle alerts and I rely on divine grace for the witch not to kill me by veteran. Can someone tell me if this is plausible?

Option 2: Noodle doesn't alert and I heal him. WCS The witch distracts me while the Mafia kills Noodle.

Frankly I think option 1 is safer because there's more WIFOM protection. I want your opinions, though.

Well, so much for my theory.

This practically confirms Noodle, since if he were mafia, they wouldn't have expected him to be roleblocked so he would have done the kill or clean. Especially since the only maf role within the invest results is agent, which isn't tremendously useful at night.

Jakob, even if I'm janitor, that still means I'm not night immune.

For whatever reason, the quotation marks in mihail's reads list are wrong.

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I'd just like to point out before I sign off for a while that doc and SK do not have the same invest results like in ToS.

Also, my motivation was to lynch scum so we don't end up lynching a newbie citizen. Look how that went.