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I investigated Ramcius N1 so if I hadn't have been killed that night I couldve confirmed that ram was the doctor the next day and easily have said that cmitc wasn't the medium. XD

/Vote Silver

Only because we want a lynch and silver seems scumy

This might sound stupid but its just a suggestion. If no lynch os going to happen today and sk/mafia/vig will kill tonight, should the TI reveal? Its just a suggestion because the TI will likely get killed tonight and since there's a TP, should thy go on that claimed TI?

Again this is only a suggestion because once we know the TI, we know what will happen tonight and what we can plan

Schultz128 wrote:

eeelneekey wrote:

Schultz128 wrote:When I say that, I gave a reason as to why it could not be so scum motivated. Could, not is. But it is still scummy nonetheless. I gave my reasons as to why he wouldn't defend himself. He is our safest lynch, since he has scummy behavior and claims to not be a PR.

Yeah, but you said yourself:

Schultz128 wrote:Think about it, why wouldn't a scum try to defend themselves when being accused of being scum? It makes no sense.

You're right, and it's way too early for the mafia to bus Silver. I'm with you all the way through your paragraph on Silver right up until you vote him. I'm just not seeing the leap from thinking that Silver is probably town, and mafia!Silver would've been defending themselves more, to voting for Silver.

If it's because he's our "safest" lynch out of him, James, and lijik, I mean, I agree with you as I said a few pages back. But have you considered nolynching? I explained why it might be best for us in this situation with 3 or 4 different wagons with so much doubt on each of them here:

eeelneekey wrote:Nolynching is almost always bad for town, but in this game with an SK and multiple KPNs, we have so little wriggle room for mislynches and so many targets with varying levels of defenses that it's starting to become a viable option to me.
I think James should be given the night to prove himself, and the speed of the lijik wagon has me doubting those who voted for him. The only person I could see myself voting for at this point is Silver, as they still haven't posted a proper defense aside from a hardclaim that's impossible to prove.

No, I missed that. I was in a bit of a rush to get a response down. I agree with nolynching unless someone is about 80-20% Scum-Town.

/unvote

I don't think either of you or town realise but if you look through my ISO I actually suggested, and I made a long post about it, a no lynch today as well

I swear to god unless a post is about James or silver specifically, or its one of my posts it gets ignored but noticed when someone else comes up with it??

If my posts gives off the vibe that I'm annoyed or pissed off its because I am.

I've suggested so many things, I've mde so many posts helping town especially regarding the ltch but mist of the time its ignored!!

Town Investigative - ?
Town Protective - ?
Town Killing - Veteran (Noodlelick)
Random Town - Vigilante (James2)
Random Town - Medium (Cmitc)
Citizen - Silver
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Mafia Support - ?
Random Mafia - Possible Blackmailer
Random Mafia - ?

Witch
Serial Killer

This is the roles so far, that have been revealed.

Just thought id post the list.

Ok seriously we have 8 hours left today and I'm going bed in like 4 hours (at 11pm gmt) so of we want to lynch someone we have to agree on who to lynch

As I've aid in previous posts the top lynch candidates are Schultz, Lijik, Silver and James.

James can prove himself tonight

For me honestly its between Schultz, Silver and Lijik right now.

Just make sre there is a target in mind because we need to vote now if we want a lynch to happen. Otherwise there will be no lynch at all today.

I can see there is now a schultz wagon happening currently and in guessing wr need about 5 or six more votes is that right?

WEVE BEEN GOING ROUBD IN CIRCLES WOTH DISCUSSIONS FOR THE LAST FEW DAYS. EITHER WE LYNCH OR WE DONT LYNCH THE ONLY WAY THATS DECIDED IS WITH VOTES/NO VOTES

TheForgot3n1 wrote:/unvote

/vote lijik

Okay so I should explain myself. I think this lynch is more likely to be scum than both Schultz and Silver. There's not much that is seriously condemning for Silver. He has his consistent talk about lategame, his claim is what you would expect, he claims being new to day1 and seems consistent with that too.

lijik, has much less material to go on but if you look at her ISO, she's not talking about anything except James2. NFM28 you can see she's responding to different players, Sophia, death, qmanthegamer, varanus, blazinice just looking at her ISO second page. However, this game it's both fewer posts and less interactions/posts trying to get somewhere. While if you look at Silver every page he's responding to a different player with a quote and an explanation to something. Just the first page: jakob, eeelneekey, Noodle, Tazmanian, theforgot3n1, Ramcius.

Very important: Looking back to NFM 28, Silver did NOT respond to everyone avidly and he was Janitor . Now I know he replaced in (on Page 14) and stuff but it's still very different to this game. It could be coincidental but I'm going to trust my gut.

By the way the reason Schultz is more likely town than lijik is because he's engaged in the game. There's some response back and forth, while sort of overly aggressive, it's less condemning than lijik's discontinuous behavior. Only weak part is generally less posts from lijik this game to confirm or deny the difference, but I'm not going to give points for being inactive.

Lijik, Schultz, Silver and James were the ones being read as scum (I read some of them as town but that was near the beginning so ill do another read regarding newer posts) and we have asked James to shoot either Lij or Schultz but after reading what you have said, why not just lynch one and James shoots the other to prove.

In NFM27 we had 2 townies who acted and behaved very scummy so silver could be town, they did say they were new didn't they?

Yes I know me changing my vote will seem scummy but we have 16/17 hours to decide on what to dotoday. In a pot before I did mention either a new lynch target or no lynch at all would be best and since the two other scummy seeming people are Schultz and Lijik, I'm going to vote one of them.

I suggest we vote Lij and if everyone agrees, hammer the vote.

/Unvote

/Vote Lijik

RAmcius wrote:

TopkekeroniXX wrote:

RAmcius wrote: Spoiler:

TopkekeroniXX wrote:

RAmcius wrote:

TopkekeroniXX wrote:

RAmcius wrote:why pushing him, when we agreed give him 1 night?

I've explained a million times. Are you blind?

What do you expect him to do in that one night?

Varanus wrote:

NoodleLick wrote:/vote James2

I don't care if you're citizen and if you're vig I really don't want that power in your hands.

/vote NoodleLick

It seems like Varanus and James2 are associated, or maybe Varanus is just a James2 fanboy.

cause you scared he will shoot you? despite Noodle CC you still scared? even that vig claim scream "fake"? and your argument "he's scum" isn't enough, we have 5 scums, not 1, so getting one of 4 (if James indeed is a scum) and getting him D2 wouldn't change much

Oh, really. Tell me more about how lynching scum doesn't improve things for town.

I don't believe him, but you do. And you want him to shoot me? Why?

did you read any my post about James? He's not a vig, and he got CC'ed, why you so scared? Cause you on mafia team with Noodle and know vet claim isn't true, so James actually can be vig? And i agree we should hang scum, but we have 5 scums, read it right, 5 scums, so how going after someone else that can be scum is wrong and getting James on D2, if he not shoot someone?

I feel like I'm repeating myself here.

1. James switched his claim from cit to vig just to buy time and town doesn't need to do him that service.
2. I don't trust town to remember things from one day to another.
3. I'm not getting a strong scum vibe from anyone else. Silverspots seems like a bored cit more than anything else, and I kind of think Varanus is just trolling me by ignoring my reasons.
4. Why are you opposed to lynching scum?

same reason as you - i don't get strong scum vibe from James, in fact, i don't get scum vibe from him at all, and you say you can't read anyone from other 15 people to be scum? so what reads you pointed to me little ago?

Ramcius how have you not gotten a scum vibe from James?

What dod you think of all the shit he pulled right at the start of the day? The misleading posts, the lying? Was that all town read for you?

Varanus I know you have done walls already but would you be able to post reads regarding your thoughts?

I couldn't really read the guy you replaced (only 2 posts xD) and I would like to see some reads from you to give me a more accurate reading of you.

Lexiam wrote:Silverspots|4|RAmcius, NoodleLick, TazmanianBrit ,James2;James2|2|TopkekeroniXX,TheForgot3n1

Rememebr to unvote before you vote again. This is NFM after all

Varanus, you forgot to unvote and oh would you look at that ^

You do have to unvote before voting again

We have only 1 day left and we need a decision if we are going to lynch someone today but I have an idea as well.

Since we ony have 1 day left and we want James to shoot to prove himself and some of you are now dounting o the voted then I have a solution.

WE DONT LYNCH TODAY

This might sound scummy but hear me out. Today we could end up having a possible miclynch which isn't good at all tbh.

If no lynches then by tomorrow only 3 people die at night (possibly) and there is a chance that the SK or James (if hes vig) hits a scum.

JAMES DO NOT SHOOT TOPKEK! We have already told you who to shoot and you agreed, do not change your mind or decide nah I do what I want. You dint know if anyone is scum or not, we only get vibes when we do a read.

Shoot one of the people that have been scumread by many people. People have suggested Lijik or Schultz from what I have seen.

So either we agree on Lynching someone other than silver and James or we decide nit to lynch and save a mislynch

TheForgot3n1 wrote:Back from fun night out this weekend.

I honestly don't feel strong town vibes from anyone on the James2 wagon. It's a stressed wagon and no. With James2 cooperating, there's no way I'm supporting his lynch. I just can't see a situation where he's mafia, and he's screwed himself over if he's neutral.

My suggestion is lynching Silver (partially because he refuses to defend himself). I want a claim from him, if that adds more complexity then I'd prefer to jump onto Lijik or Schultz as lynch targets. They're both acting in non-town ways, which is just sheeping the easy lynch in this situation with lackluster reasoning (it's lackluster because it's ignoring so many points made against the lynch, which a townie WOULD CONSIDER!). I think Taz is motivating his james2 lynch in a more town/reasonable way, that's why I don't feel like he's a likely scum target. Topkek is a little different, I think he's tunneling James2 unreasonably, just looking at his ISO. However I'm not convinced he's doing it because he's scum, but rather because he's baffled/can't accept that what James2 has said this game is being "looked over", so more just pushing for a policy lynch and not honestly caring whether James2 is town or not.

My two cents: If we want a bigger chance of lynching scum, going after Silver/lijik/Schultz are better targets than James2.

/unvote

/vote Silver

Now, James2, I don't agree on shooting Topkek, I'd rather you shoot Schultz for example, for a higher chance for shooting scum. Shooting TopKek is more risky, but would lead to more info. I guess if you're vig it's your call and I hope you're thinking it through whatever you do.

Notes:
townlean on ramcius and Tates
seriously Frosty needs a prod. Oh hey Varanus

Varanus wrote:/vote jakob

Lemme read the thread quickly

Serious vote ?

I'm still unsure of whether to lynch James or silver but I think silver needs to defend themselves a lot more. They haven't, the only posts I see is threatening to hardclaim if we vote and voting James.

I agree with forgot3n actually.

I know I have been pushing James to get lynched because the CC and James behaviour buy I'm starting to agree with most of you, that we give James the one night. I do suggest he shoots lijik or Schultz, who seem to be a little scummy tbh amf the TI, depending on who they are, can go for another.

/Unvote
/Vote Silver

Before there is anymore confusion and things that hurt my brain and make me think more, I suggest we go for silver in this case and we can prove James or disprove him during the night phase.

Varanus are you serious? Please dont just random vite before reading the thread.

If my vote seems scummy then sorry, but I have been debating between James and Silver as you can tell but my vote is honestly to put pressure on silver. I want a solid defense from them and reads. Reads have bee requested many times and yet I dont seem to have seen any

@Mel/Lex

If a blackmailer is sure someone they messaged is the witch, can they then message the witch anonymously the next day revealing all of the mafia members to the witch?

Again, we are just going around in circles regarding the day 1 lynching and we aren't getting any closer to a united decision regarding who to lynch.

James is the best lynch candidate right now and if making a plan and voicing my thoughts makes me seem scummy then so be it but I will not let anyone dissuade me from my thoughts on voting.

There is only one other option I can think of but it will never work, especially with the witch. The vet alerts, the vig shoots the vet. Either the vet kills James confirming if he was the vig or scum killing (if he doesn't die we know hes scum) or the vig shoots noodle who wasn't actually the vet

But I doubt this would work so that is why lynching James might be better today.

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Blackmailer Talk!

So Jakob said he received an anonymous message askig witch? which could prove the existence of a BMer but I have 1 concern about all of this.

The blackmailer can send up to 3 messages a day correct?

So, what if somebody else has been messaged by the blackmailer but hasn't revealed? That person would either be Te SK or the witch meaning that the mafia will know who the other scum is from that alone.

We all said we wouldn't claim witched until later right?

Well I propose that anyone who gets a message reveal themselves. I doubt the blackmailer would send a message to the fellow mafia unless they wanted to trick us which could be possible.

Morning, it's like 8am but I would like to say somethinga (might not make sense, tired as fuck right now)

James has claimed Vig

Noodle has CCed and claimed Vet

I highly doubt noodle is scum that's claiming Vet. This is noodles first game (I replaced noodle in NFM27) so they're new and I doubt they would do a CC like that if they were scum. I trust noodle more than I trust James if I'm honest

Now here's a sort of plan I have so if people do agree, we can hammer James today

Plan 1, if James isn't vigi

We hang James, hes scum.

If SK, only 1 killing will happen tonight and we lose a townie. Mafia wouldn't risk losing vet or visiting a claimed PR role so moat likely they'd hit a citizen.

If mafia, there'll still be 2 killings but we wont have wasted a mislynch and if two townies are killed at night, it will be 4vs10 meaning if we nislynch once we haven't lost yet.

If witch, we've killed the witch so the Vet wont have to worry about witch sending townies to them.

If James is Vig

We lose a mislynch opportunity but we are 1 town down. Scum won't go for the Vet just in case and they wont go to an claimed person incase of TP. As we are 1 townie down, the sk has a bit more of a chance to hit the mafia or the witch. 1/4 chance actually.

Yes we lose the vig but could we really trust James if he was vig? He might shoot Cmitc or someone he wanted to and we didn't tell him to and kill a townie. I dont trust James and he has lied multiple times already

So if he is vig and we lynch him, theres less chance of another townie dying tonight and one of the RT slots is taken, meaning mafia have no choice but to claim citizen. If they claim TP or TI, the real TI could reveal and say what happened (saw, investigated etc) and that way the real TP could stay on the TI and the mafia will be found out.

Depending on the TI, the serial killer and witch will be hard to find. Yes sheriff sees sk and not witch and invest sees ak/witch/civ which means reads would be really important if we just had those 2 left.

How many votes does someone need to get lynched day 1?

TopkekeroniXX wrote:One horrifying possibility is that he's investigator, trying to get roleclaims so he can double check them... But if that were the case, he would have announced another target once cmitc1 claimed medium instead of waiting so long.

I doubt James is an invest just from the way he has been acting. Constantly saying Cmitc is scum and trying desperately to get him killed/lynched.

The only way James would know hes 100% scum is if they were on a mafia team and Janes decided to lynch Ti give him town cred.

He claimed Cit then Vig so I do have doubts that he is investigator and I he claims TI it could be possible that he wants the TI to out themselves like noodle did.

I suggest lynching James today. We have a few plan ideas at the moment fir what ti do so I just thinking lynching janes, a proven liar and a harmful player to the town, might be best

eeelneekey wrote:Noodle - Don't alert.
TP - Be on Noodle.
TI - Use best judgement. Lookout on Noodle.

Alternative plan, assuming we lynch James:

Noodle - Keep the mfers guessing. Do what you want.
TI - Best judgement. Whoever you think is scummy (lookout, someone who's a big target). Avoid Noodle JIC.
TP - Vocal, townread people. Avoid Noodle JIC.

Opinions? Which plan do people prefer?

I prefer the second plan. I doubt James is vig and he hasn't been as helpful as he should be, especially given that he claimed town. I do think the second plan is better given that noodle cced James as well so they could play the double bliff alert hame

Tiltedcomedian wrote:And Noodle has sheeped too, but it only takes a hardclaim to convince you he's Town?

In that case, I am the Mayor. Whisper me all your roles

You don't need to act like a dick about it tilted. Noodle counter claimed James, a proven liar, which gives us a stringer case about him. Its nit just hardclaiming that automatically confirms you as town. Noodle had the balls to CC, helping us ad a town reach a decision on James.

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eeelneekey wrote: I'm really struggling whether or not to trust James right now. My last game (NFM27), we lynched the doctor based on a CC and it turned out we actually did have two Doctors, and it pretty much all went downhill from there for us. That's why I want to hear what James has to say before I vote for him today.
But so help me god, if he claims another role...

I was in that game but the doctor lynch was based off a post we got from Varanus, who claimed Cit, then sheriff, then invest.

I think its doubtful for a vet and vig to both be rolled. I mean its very rare in ToS (in ranked/classic) so its probably a slim chance of there being a vet. I think James is trying ri get everyone to out their roles either so the scum know who to target or to tell the scum from the town (if he witch/sk he needs to find mafia) and since there's no way to claim witches during the day, as wr all agreed on that, he coul be trying to find other scum without those claims

I say we lynch James today. Either heis scum playing mind games and trying to make us mass claim and turn on each other or he is an actual, very scummy vig and his lynch will confirm the RT slot. He is a liar from what I can see and if he is vig, he couldve lied to our faces and end up shooting Cmitc, acting as if he was witched

Tiltedcomedian wrote:What...just happened while I was away? Stop all the softclaiming, it's not any better than hardclaiming.

FoS on Top and Taz. There is a connection there, and it's very strange that neither of them mentioned it even though there is a concerted effort to push on Silver.

I'd think James should either shoot Top or Noodle (as his CC) at this point.

P-edit AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FoS FoS FoS on jakob for pointing that out.

eeel, no. Vet needs to be on alert.

P-P-P-edit what is happening

P-P-P-P-edit stahp ninja

What on earth are you talking about? You are making ni sense. Why the FOS on me and what do you mean by neither of them mentioned it. Mentioned what?

Ok so, so far we have 3 claims

Cmitc - Medium (RT)
NoodleLick - Veteran (since noodle says cant be controlled, I'm assuming veteran since firebrand isn't a thing that going t be introduced yet as says on rolecard)
James2 - Vigilante (RT)

So 3 of the 5 PRs have outed themselves day 1

I think this may have been James plan all along. He wanted a massclaim, we refused and then he claimed Vig. It was as if he knew he could cause people.to reveal from this action alone.

Based on this it might be possible James is scum since like he said himself. 1 in 6 chance of getting vig as RT

/Unvote
/Vote James2

NoodleLick wrote:I have a CC for James2.

Really? Your CCing now, after we have told no one to CC TK because of the witch?

If silver provides nothing to help further the discussion or no form of defence or just nothing helpful in general, is everyone in agreement that we lynch silver and commence the plan?

I mean I know we have two days left but we are going around in circles, doubting and arguing with each other and having the same discussions co tstantly.

What do you all think?

A case already has been made against silver. There are already 5/6 votes on silver and yet they refuse to do a read, post a defence or even add anything else to the discussion other than opinions on Janes which we all have.

James is the only TK claim and yeah its so stupid to claim with a witch but I think this is his plan. Mind games. His way of finding out who's scum based on our responses to his claims. If he was scum, I doubt he would make himself the most suspicious person, his reasoning could very well be act so scummy that th real scum leave me alive so I seem like scum but in reality in not sort of thing.

I don't want the real TK, assuming James is lying, to reveal themselves and just let everything we've talked out happen.

Yes I remember NFM27 very clearly which is why I want to lynch someone else. Most others agree with me on silver otherwise why would wr have voted them?

I remember the Varanus/Sevo discussion as well and I would rather wait before we lynch a TK who has outed themselves because fir all we know it could be true.

That is why I suggest we hammer silver or another scumread, like noodle or lijik, get James to shoot one of the ones who wasn't lynched to confirm.

This is what I think anyway.

jakob12341 wrote:guys....look we all have to come down to an agreement so there's only 1 way we can decide this

that's by voting

who wants to stick to the plan made where James shoots someone other than cmitc? say I

who wants to lynch James and then figure out what happens tomorrow say O

I

I may not trust James but I would rather not have a mislynch happen day 1 because he is acting scummy as fuck. I say stick tibthe plan and go from there