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GG!

I'm still salty over the fact that the mafia chose to sleep on the night I was roleblocked.
Bad luck Tate's confirmed.

Just do it, I failed to defend myself, and I don't have a good reason to vote for Schultz.
I'll only hammer, so go ahead and vote.

Actually, if ANYONE thinks of an even slightly possible scenario, share it with us, because that might be what actually happened.

Good evening everyone!
While doing some chores, I just remembered something.

eeelneekey wrote:There is only one possible scenario where Tates is town, and that's that the Mafia decided not to kill willingly. Decide whether you think that's a likely tactic.

What is EVERY single scenario you have thought of?

I'm 100% sure every single scenario revolves off the fact I was roleblocked, if not, do tell.

This is how I see it:

Tates was roleblocked, and there were no kills that night. This can lead into 2 obvious paths:

One: Tates was the killing role, so there were no kills and they are mafia.

Two: The Mafia skipped their night kill in order to frame Tates.

One seems more likely, but two seems like a plausible strategy. What I'm trying to say is, Tates being roleblocked can go both ways, which means that we probably have to do more thorough research.

However, this is only taking into consideration what has been shared so far, unless I forgot something. In that case, there may be other possibilities that we don't know yet about. Or...what if there's something we're entirely missing/overlooking?

Theory time!

Note: This theory assumes that there is a Mafia Tactical, which means that any member of the Mafia can kill. If not, just skip this part and tell me there is no Mafia Tactical.

Cmitc was accusing me yesterday of sheeping to their lynch and tried to kill me, right? Since they were a witch, it was probably assumed that Tates was Mafia, because Cmitc was trying to sell them out in order to live, because you lose if you die as a witch.

The Mafia must have realized this, and decided to skip their night action in order to get a pretty much guaranteed lynch on Tates, because the assumption that the Mafia skipped their night action on purpose is something laughable most of the time.

If something I said above doesn't make sense, please tell me.

I'll have a look into it tomorrow, going to bed.

eeelneekey wrote:

RajolAttates wrote:Once there are 3 or less votes on me, I'll start looking into ISOs.

Lol no, you don't get to hold Town to ransom in order to do what any town-motivated person would want to do (help town). The audacity.

This is where I give up answering you back.

TheForgot3n1 wrote:I don't want to clutter the thread more than I already have about this stuff, but I explained all of those questions in my second post of day 4.

To be honest Tates, I think that both you and Schultz are mafia. I've noticed that neither of you are talking directly to each other. That usually indicates some kind of connection, mafia usually.

That is a good point.

To be honest, I haven't been focusing on Schultz at all because I was too busy defending myself.

Once there are 3 or less votes on me, I'll start looking into ISOs.

TheForgot3n1 wrote:In comparison to that, the likelihood of Schultz being town is to me practically none (2%-7% maybe, Schultz mafia in 93%-98% of cases), but for you it depends on how towny you think I am.

Sorry, but I couldn't follow, can you please explain again the scummy things about Schultz?

eeelneekey wrote:

RajolAttates wrote:I was getting desperate, but because there's absolutely nothing I can do, I can only wait for my lynch to prove you all wrong.

Also, Forgotten and everyone else, do you think Tates' "defense" of themselves is coming from a town-motivated point of view? Half of the people I've townread are providing better explanations for how the Mafia could've framed Tates than Tates himself is.

Because I didn't defend myself at all, right?
If you're talking about how they could have skipped the kill at night, I figured that out, but thought it was pointless because you were yelling "NO KILL AT NIGHT = GAMETHROWING" a lot of the time.

eeelneekey wrote:p-edit2:

RajolAttates wrote:Are you a part of the Mafia so you can tell what they know and they do not know?

*sigh*
Yep, you got me, I'm Mafia. Because scumhunting & trying to understand what happens at night in order to work out why there was no kill (which you're doing too, I might add), is a scumtell.

Fun fact: Being an asshole doesn't get you anywhere easily.
Also, maybe it's time to consider that not everyone has your point of view.

eeelneekey wrote:Yes, because Tates' "mislynch" is perfectly guaranteed, look at how easily the town has lynched him with almost no discussion or questioning.

points at the second half of page 55

Read that real quick, please.

eeelneekey wrote:

RajolAttates wrote:Just because you find the strategy pointless doesn't mean that they find the strategy pointless.

Attempting to manipulate the town has risks, so if it goes wrong, one of the 3 Mafia die.

In order to prevent that, they can guarantee a mislynch in order to waste discussion time and get a day where the Mafia can rest easily.

So, tell me, would you riskily get 3 kills or would you rather get 2 guaranteed kills?

Yes, because Tates' "mislynch" is perfectly guaranteed, look at how easily the town has lynched him with almost no discussion or questioning.

I'd rather get a guaranteed kill during the night and then a possible mislynch the next day than willingly give up a definite kill in order to make the next day's mislynch a little easier and "rest easy". Jesus.

Also, suggesting the Mafia never, ever manipulates the Town day discussion because it's "too risky". Lol.

Since when did I say they never ever manipulate the town?

I said that you're risking a member of the mafia for a 3rd town kill when you can get 2 town kills risk free.

Combined with the previous reply I gave you, it seems to be working. Did you see how many votes I got in the first hour or two?

Don't even say "They asked you to think of a theory", because I'm not a computer. I don't make Phoenix Wright-worthy theories in a few minutes.

And for God's sake, stop being such an asshole.

eeelneekey wrote:I have never denied that the mafia could have skipped their night kill. I'm not "blind", thanks. But saying they knew it would lead to a mislynch on the Escort's target is ridiculous.

And why is that?

Are you a part of the Mafia so you can tell what they know and they do not know?

eeelneekey wrote:What if lijik roleblocked someone who was much more townread than Tates? What if lijik had roleblocked one of them anyway, which was quite likely?

sighs

Townread =/= proven.

eeelneekey wrote:Listen, I understand that you want your CC gone, but you're "blinded" by your own bias in that regard. You're saying that it's more likely that the Mafia would choose to purposely skip a definite kill in order to loosely frame one person (who could've been one of their own anyway), rather than kill one townie and then manipulate Town into a bonus mislynch the next day. That's ridiculous.

Just because you find the strategy pointless doesn't mean that they find the strategy pointless.

Attempting to manipulate the town has risks, so if it goes wrong, one of the 3 Mafia die.

In order to prevent that, they can guarantee a mislynch in order to waste discussion time and get a day where the Mafia can rest easily.

So, tell me, would you riskily get 3 kills or would you rather get 2 guaranteed kills?

I was getting desperate, but because there's absolutely nothing I can do, I can only wait for my lynch to prove you all wrong.

Well, I'm out of ideas. I guess I will be lynched.

I just love my extremely shitty luck though.

Press F to pay respects.

And just like that, my entire theory was debunked.

RIP.

eeelneekey wrote:I'd rather lynch a Citizen claim who's almost certainly scum, barring one extremely unlikely circumstance, than pick 50:50 between two PR claims. We can sort that mess out tomorrow. Always go with the more secure and likely-to-be-scum lynch, rather than the one no one has any secure leads on other than a gut feeling.

What makes you think that scum generally claim cit? Didn't you see what cmitc and James2 claimed? They both claimed PRs and ended up being scum in the end.

Also, if I do flip town, explain how will you sort out the mess tomorrow.

If you're going to lynch first and think about consequences later, for God's sake, don't.

Lexiam wrote:Rolelist:
Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Killing
Random Town
Random Town
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Mafia Support
Random Mafia
Random Mafia

Witch
Serial Killer

Isn't this the rolelist?

Schultz128 wrote:

RajolAttates wrote:

TheForgot3n1 wrote:Disguiser cannot roll in this setup Rajol. Look at invest results. You were roleblocked by someone.

Only Jailor can't appear in this setup. Did you read the first page or am I missing something?

And I admitted to being roleblocked at the start of the thread, do you even read?

Also it's Tate's ffs, not Rajol.

The only unknown Mafia left is the Mafia Tactical, which Disguiser cannot be.

I just finished saying that the existence of a blackmailer might not be true.

RajolAttates wrote:Also it's Tate's ffs, not Rajol.

God damn autocorrect.

Tates.

TheForgot3n1 wrote:Disguiser cannot roll in this setup Rajol. Look at invest results. You were roleblocked by someone.

Only Jailor can't appear in this setup. Did you read the first page or am I missing something?

And I admitted to being roleblocked at the start of the thread, do you even read?

Also it's Tate's ffs, not Rajol.

Tiltedcomedian wrote:

RajolAttates wrote:snip quote chain

I think I got an idea:

Puts on Varanus's tin-foil hat.

What if there wasn't a blackmailer?

If that's the case, then there could be another RM that we don't even know about, so here's my thoughts:

There is a disguiser and consort in the Mafia.
When you think about it like this, it sorta makes sense. The Consort can RB me, the Disguiser can then claim to RB me, get me lynched, and then disguise at night to get away easily.
Of course, this plan has some risk to it, but it may be what the mafia is doing right now.

If you find any flaws in this idea, please say so.

If there wasn't a Blackmailer, then jakob's slot lied and he is Mafia. Are you saying he is the Disguiser then and it is Schultz/lijik/jakob?

More specifically, I'm saying Lijik is disguiser and jakob's replacement is Mafia, most likely Consort.

The reason I believe there is no blackmailer is because being sent an anonymous message from a blackmailer can't be proven, not to mention the presence of Mafia day chat for any questions or ideas. Therefore,I am suggesting that the idea of a blackmailer existing was all a part of the Mafia's plan.

Why would they do this? It's simple.

To eliminate the chance of one of the Mafia being lynched, as well as getting a free kill from the confusion.

How about it Eeeln? Does this suit your fancy?

If anyone has any questions, unvote, because I'm going to bed and I don't want to be hammered in my sleep.

eeelneekey wrote:

RajolAttates wrote:Can you quickly provide me with everything we know about everyone? As in, roles and what happened last night.

Why am I doing the legwork for your defense? You should be paying enough attention/care enough to scroll back three pages.
But here it is anyway, it's useful for everyone.

eeelneekey wrote:Rolelist:
Spoiler: Town Investigative - TazmanianBrit (Investigator)
Town Protective - Topkek (Doctor) (Cleaned)
Town Killing - NoodleLick (Veteran)
Random Town - lijik (Escort) / The Forgotten (Marshal) / Schultz (Doctor)
Random Town - lijik (Escort) / The Forgotten (Marshal) / Schultz (Doctor)
Citizen - SilverSpots
Citizen - Ramcius (Cleaned)
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Mafia Support (Consort, Consig, Agent)
Blackmailer
Janitor

Witch -cmitc1
Serial Killer - James2

People not claiming a PR:
eeelneekey (Claimed Citizen)
RajolAttates (Claimed Citizen)
riotheninja/deathghost (Claimed Citizen)
Varanus
mihail66
Tiltedcomedian
jakob12341/Aidan

Last Night:

Noodle (Veteran) (probably) did not alert.
TheForgotten (Marshal) guarded lijik.
Schultz (Doctor) healed lijik.
Neither TP claim reports a night result indicating their protection was needed, meaning lijik was not attacked.
lijik (Escort) roleblocked Tates.

The Mafia kill was unsuccessful.

I think I got an idea:

Puts on Varanus's tin-foil hat.

What if there wasn't a blackmailer?

If that's the case, then there could be another RM that we don't even know about, so here's my thoughts:

There is a disguiser and consort in the Mafia.
When you think about it like this, it sorta makes sense. The Consort can RB me, the Disguiser can then claim to RB me, get me lynched, and then disguise at night to get away easily.
Of course, this plan has some risk to it, but it may be what the mafia is doing right now.

If you find any flaws in this idea, please say so.

If you guys are going to take time to discuss, might as well unvote.

Pretty please?

I'm only a vote or two from being lynched, and I don't have ANY clue on how there were no kills...

eeelneekey wrote:

RajolAttates wrote:If I'm going to get lynched, Lexiam better make tomorrow's title something about extremely bad luck.

Bad luck for scum because the escort managed to block their kill and prove at least one of their members all in one fell swoop?
Or bad luck because you can't think of a single way the mafia got prevented from killing last night when the TP's target wasn't even attacked and the only person who was roleblocked was you, a "citizen"?

Still working on it, maybe you should try thinking from my POV?

I know you're sure I'm mafia, but try answering the question yourself:

Is there a way to prove my innocence?